Some People do not comprehend what they read?
I just received this letter from Trevor from Restore the Republic, seems he does not comprehend what was said in the news letter. Many of you also misunderstood the message.. I am not sueing Ron ! I asked for your imput on the idea which is being presented by some attorneys and wanted me to be the one to actually file. I am not a person to sue anyone or many would have already been to court with some of the slander they have put in public print so this action was not something that I wanted to jump into.. I have no way of knowing how many people would be for this action and asked. I received over 4000 replies and it was split about 50/50 and with my own feelings of it being a waste of time it has been put on the shelf forever. Anyone wanting to sue should certainly have that right but it is not something I want to waste precious time doing.
oyate@restoretherepublic.com wrote:
Hi Linda,
I heard your Sturgis even went very well. That was a real ground breaker. You
forged new territory on that one. But this business of bringing suit on Dr.
Paul....I don't really get it. I mean, I understand the position, I think it
was a major strategic blunder for Dr. Paul to drop out the way he did, but
it's a done deal. He's too much of a desicive person. One he makes up his
mind on something, there's no going back.
You and Dr. Paul are very similar in this regard: once you make up your minds
on something you never go back. He will never change you, we know this. You
have to understand you'll never change him.
-Trevor (Oyate)
Wake-up to those who
are thinking of suing Ron Paul for SUSPENDING his campaign, this is ridiculous.
Ron Paul is still campaigning but he opened the Campaign for Liberty to be able to make those who maxed out during the primaries to be able to continue to donate to his campaign for the Republican Presidential nomination of which I honestly believe he still has a 100% chance of winning.
He is not about to leave us all out to dry, he is just revamping the engines and ready to make a GREAT push to beat McCain and then take the White House.
UNITE and quit trying to divide !!!!!
"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "
apology
I want to apologize for my rant on this subject yesterday. I let my emotion and disbelief get the better of me.
A better point of view might be this. In threatening to sue Ron Paul, what you are doing is to summon the power of the state, in it's Judicial guise, to compel Ron Paul by the force of arms, to take an action that he does not choose to take. Is this not exactly the behavior that we are all fighting to end in this country? Your right to "compel" a free person ends with them exercising their right to refuse. Think about it.
besides
the same tactic backfired BIGTIME when Judas tried it. Granny was merely being transparent and I applaud her for that. She was simply at the microphone and essentially said "oh wait...this just in" when the idea was handed to her. She was just being open about what she was asked and sought input. nothing more nothing less.
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Not really
That is how she is trying to spin it because she sees that it has exposed her hidden agenda. But she said flat out that Dr. Paul broke his promise. She asked for opinions on the horrid, back-stabbing idea of suing Dr. Paul. And she trashed the recently deceased Kent Snyder. This is from her own pen.
It was a totally rotten thing to do and she needs to quit trying to spin it like it was someone else's doing, take responsibility and apologize. Or get lost.
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Granny, I think
the people have read what was written and have made up their minds. You could talk till you are blue in the face and there is NO WAY they will understand your reasons. Some people just want the last word and someone has to be the adult. Please, don't waste anymore time on this. Time is growing short and there is much to do. Soon, the country will be in chaos, even Dr. Paul sees it and is telling us so. We are all afraid for what is ahead. There is no stopping this train it is off track and not Dr. Paul or the Granny Warriors or the rest of us can put it back on. Dr. Paul said " Let it not be said no one objected Once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy". Grannies you did good many of us would not have known about Dr. Paul if it were not for you and I thank you. Someone once wrote " Don't walk in front of me I may not follow. Don't walk behind me I may not lead. Walk beside and be my friend." This is where we are at, no leaders just friends with a common cause. Truly Peace Patriot
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Can we
sue Granny for the funds sent to keep her RV rolling?
I read very well. My input
I read very well. My input is you are nuts to be even considering any sort of suit with Ron as a defendant. How dare you? Sue George Bush for all HIS breeches of promise..GEEZE. I wonder what you would do with the money if you won any case against Ron Paul? I wonder how you would feel calling him a liar and forcing him in front of a judge...if good, then you are not the person I thought you were, nor are you anyone I would EVER support in the future. This makes me wonder about you a lot.
WTF
RON DID NOT QUIT! He is choosing the battles.
RP ended the Presidential campaign
RP did *not* choose as one of those battles the battle of the Presidential campaign.
RP *ended the campaign*.
If you don't believe that that is "quitting the campaign", go for it.
Why is
Ron going to St. Paul for then? He just wisely stopped spending money, there is going a delegate revolt and Ron knows this. Thats why MSM even refers to McSame as the presumptive nominee.
Does RP mean what he says or not?
Since this announcement is no longer available on the RonPaul2008.com site, I have included it below my comments.
RP is working on those projects below, in addition to his elected Congressional duties, and used the Presidential campaign as a platform to gain visibility for his beliefs with a larger audience.
RP has set up a *dual* convention in MN to spread his message. Aren't RP national delegates even having to choose whether to spend their time at the RNC as they were elected to do *or* RP's convention?
The blowback for a delegate revolt, if one is even attempted, will be amazing to behold.
And, if RP were to accept the nomination under such circumstances, he would destroy his reputation for personal integrity irrevocably.
"Over the past 17 months you and I delivered a message of freedom, the likes of which American politics has not seen in decades. With the primary season now over, the presidential campaign has come to an end. But the Revolution has only begun.
Today I am happy to announce the official launch of the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty. Please visit our new website and join us: http://www.campaignforliberty.com
Over the next few months I will be developing a program, assembling a team, and announcing new and exciting projects. We will have a permanent presence on the American political landscape. That I promise you.
Right now, I need your patience and support. I want the Campaign for Liberty to be a grassroots campaign; so your energy, your creativity, your feedback, and your participation are essential.
Together, we will educate our fellow Americans in freedom, sound money, non-interventionism, and free markets. We will write commentaries and broadcast videos on the news of the day. And I'll work with friends whom I respect to design materials for homeschoolers.
Politically, we will expand the great work of our precinct leader program. We will make our presence felt at every level of government. We will keep an eye on Congress, and lobby against legislation that threatens us. And we will identify and support candidates who champion our great ideas."
Granny! ROn Paul did NOT quit! Have you seen this video?
Ron Paul did not "quit" he "suspended" his campaign! I know that he has fought for us for 35 years and I respect his political insight and judgement, integrity and principles. He is a very intelligent man you know and though you may not understand his reasoning does not mean it is not sound! I think he deserves the utmost respect! It is clear that he did not quit his supporters at all and he most certainly never will quit on getting the message out. He still wants us to fight all the way to the convention and beyond with him! "We will never give up and we will never give in"-RP
Please rethink the tone of some of your statements and the thought that anyone would even suggest or put out a question about suing him is just horrific! I think you had a moment of very bad judgement even if attorneys put forth the idea...I cant see how you would post the question publicly for consideration. This whole drama on both sides and I dont care for either side at all..its disgusting and childish to keep carrying on with it! Publicly being played out here is is very "Jerry Springer" and belittles all the good you have done! Get back on track and rise above these dramas!
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
What does "presidential campaign has come to an end" mean?
"Over the past 17 months you and I delivered a message of freedom, the likes of which American politics has not seen in decades. With the primary season now over, the presidential campaign has come to an end. But the Revolution has only begun."
Either RP says what he means or he doesn't.
How many times, now, have the forums had hundreds of posts "parsing" what RP "really meant"?
And those statements were in prepared speeches, not "foot-in-mouth" syndrome.
When you state that RP didn't "quit on his supporters", which supporters do you mean?
The ones who supported RP and donated millions for him to stay in the Presidential race until the RNC, as RP repeatedly promised, or those who supported the long-term strategies for ground-up changes in the GOP party?
RP *did* quit the Presidential race, particularly when there were articles about transferring the unused $4+ million in Presidential donations to the CFL.
To my knowledge, RP never used the word "suspend" as Romney did. In fact, I don't believe that he even mentioned "end the campaign" in his Texas speech.
That statement was on the RP2008 website and in some e-mails, but not to the same e-mail list of those who donated (I know, because instead of duplicate e-mails, I received no notice of the campaign ending from HQ, whatsoever).
Please rethink the tone of *your* statements, as well, particularly since you added on to the "disgusting and childish", "Jerry Springer" thread yourself-
Including yet more advertising for DVDs-
Have the recent posts in this thread helped or hurt the DVD effort?
And how many MSM articles have gotten their content and quotes from DP?
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What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
Anyone who wants to sue Ron Paul needs their
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ass kicked, simple as that. Violence would be the solution to that problem. Violence is not the right way, but in this case it would be justified.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
The RP gang is now here - 2 posts w/threats of violence in a row
And here I thought the "RP message" was about liberty and PEACE.
Silly me.
If you can justify violence against someone who simply asked for feedback about an action that was successful in the past, does that mean that you think violence in Iraq or elsewhere is justifiable, as well?
If not, then why is violence "justified" for a newsletter request for feedback? A little overreaction?
I appreciate the efforts that you have publicly made. However, you do realize that some people have resented all the constant advertising/requests for donations in your efforts, as well, don't you?
Haven't I also seen questions raised as to why your DVDs are so expensive?
Is your post *remotely* appropriate in the context of your own visibility with the *delegates* for the RNC?
Or have you just blown your own credibility just as you are accusing others of having done?
How credible would RP have been, if he had threatened McCain with physical violence in the debates?
Instead, RP controlled his anger. You might try to learn to do the same-
Just my opinion, of course.
Are you on f**king crack ???
So let me see if I have this straight, You are thinking about SUING Ron Paul because.... He decided to drop out of the active campaign? Because he ( with a LOT more wisdom and experience than you) realised that there was no fricken way to overcome the controlled media , so he had to find another way to get the message of freedom out to the TV watching brain dead???You would keep Ron Paul tied up in court, wasting money and time instead of his constant battleing for our freedoms?? You selfish twat!! Is your sense of self importance so great that you cannot keep up the fight for freedom and constitutional government going, and you wish to financially damage, personally damage and probably emotionally damage the ONE PERSON THAT HAS KEPT UP A 35 YEAR FIGHT FOR US????? Are you fucking insane???? It is a damn good thing that you are where you are, and I am where I am. I would ream you a brand new shiney asshole like you have never had one reamed before. If you can't figure this out on your own, let me be a little help. Go sue FIX news, and CNN, and MSLSD. They are the people that silenced our campaign. The lovely specimins that own those broadcasting companies, and the weak kneed lily livered cowards that work for them, (and the Post, and the New York Crimes too) are the ones that committed what I would call treason against the American People. What about "Fuck You Frank" Luntz?? Sue him too, for his phoney, staged polling dog and pony shows. Why not sue New Hampshire, the anti war state that "voted" for pro war John "Foristall" Mc Lame. There are many many entities that deserve the wrath and ire of the supporters of Ron Paul. Ron Paul is NOT one of them. Did it ever occur to you that just maybe you and I didn't work hard enough? Did you show up at Satan Murdochs home and demand "Fair and Balanced" news coverage? How about at Sean Vannitys home? Hell no you didn't, and neither did anyone else, and WE let the "Powers That Be" silence the one campaign that might have saved America. And now you, you selfish mean spirited thick headed little nano brained sub moron, you are talking about suing Ron Paul. I have a suggestion for you. Go away, far, far away, and think about what you have proposed to do. When and if you get your head right, come on back and apologise, and re join with the rest of us that are busy trying to save our country. Until then, I bet John Mc Cain is looking for some help.....
Do you ever think before you blast?
And publicly post physical threats, as well?
Yet, again, it's obvious that you didn't even look at the *evidence* of the newsletter vs. the *gossip* about the newsletter.
All she did is *ask for feedback* about whether an action that succeeded in bringing Ross Perot back into that Presidential race would or not work with Ron Paul. What is so horrible about that to earn your vicious post?
Are you old enough to even know who Ross Perot is?
Gee, you sound as though you might be angry. Really impressive way to spread the message yourself, huh?
Does anyone else have the right to be angry/disappointed, as well?
RP stated in interview after interview that he would stay in until the RNC. Instead, this man of integrity simply broke his word to his supporters and dropped out "after the primaries were done".
What happened to the delegate elections after he ended his campaign, in the subsequent *state* GOP conventions? Weren't we constantly taught that the primaries didn't matter, the state conventions/national delegate elections did? Did RP know that?
RP couldn't even wait until after the two major July grass roots events were done to make his "ending" announcement, one of which RP personally requested that someone other than HQ would organize.
What did the timing of the news about the dual convention do to the attendance at the two July events?
The day before the DC March, the RonPaul2008.com site was simply forwarded to the Congressional site. That means that all RP2008 links found in Google searches *fail*, just when people might actually "Google Ron Paul" due to the March.
Look at what RP's breaking his word did to the grass roots efforts.
Would the Ross Perot "solution" simply be one option to consider to get RP to honor the commitment he gave to us all?
No not suing
she said sueing
The newsletter in question
This is the letter Granny is refering to. It was posted at several meetups and sent out to thousands in her newsletter subscription.
GRANNY WARRIOR NEWS
July 10,2008Law Suit Anyone?
Should we do this?
Years ago as a lot of you remember Ross Perot ran for the Presidency, when he got a little scared he backed out of the campaign. His followers were much like the Ron Paul supporters and were very upset at his failure to continue.
One of his avid supporters who had given a lot of time and money to the campaign filed a lawsuit against him. A Breech of Contract was filed against him with a civil class action suit. Many people joined the suit and Ross realized he was either going to have to go to court and fight or just back down and finish out his campaign like he had promised his suporters he would do. He chose to continue the campaign and of course he lost but he did stick it out to the finish which is basicly what we all want Ron Paul to do.
Ron Paul made the statement to many people that no matter what he would stay in the campaign at least until the convention. He broke that promise when he quit.
Now we need your imput. Should we force his hand or just sit back and wring our hands trying to figure out how to get him nominated without his assistance?
With Kent Snyder gone, there may be a different attitude. We all know all the retoric about what a great patriot Snyder was is totally false. He is the reason for the campaign failure whether by design or simply by lack of morality, commitment or inexperience. It was Snyders job and a well paid job to the tune of $48,000.00 per month to get Ron elected and run his campaign in a legitimate manner. He Failed totally in his job. Just because he died is not a reason to make him a national hero at this point when it was his job to see that the grassroots people were cared for and taken care of. He did not do this. We were constantly and rudely ignored, no material was supplied, the donations were squandered and Ron dropped in the polls.
Now without his influence perhaps Ron will hire someone with experience as he was begged to do so often and actually get going on the path to victory.
I know that with the candidates that are being offered there are millions of people that would swing to the only candidate who offers some sane and solid solutions and will talk about the problems without a lot of false promises.
I realize the Grannys will be the brunt of the attacks but that is nothing new. I am not afraid of talk or being attacked by so called supporters. As long as I have the support of the true patriots I have no problem.
I need you all to let me know what your thoughts are on this matter. Your opinion means a lot to me and I will go by the majority votes...
On a happier note. The Sturgis Event turned out to be the greatest failure of any event ever done. While not many people showed up ( about 300) all of the speakers arrived, the cream of the crop of activists, and all had the time to get to know one another one on one like they have never been able to do before. The debates went on for hours, ideas exchanged, future meetings formed and plans made. This was one of the best things that could have happened to the revolution. I am totally happy with the outcome.
As soon as I get home I will post some of the photos of the event. We all had a wonderful time while learning and meeting everyone we had talked to via internet and phone but never in person.
Send me your thoughts as soon as possible. The Revolution continues
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See, Sandra, you did have the newsletter all along
How come you have kept asking for others to post it on DP and RPFs when you had already posted it yourself?
Can't believe a word that you post, can we-
Didn't I say I would post it...
if you didn't? What part of that tiny sentence didn't you understand?
why would you sue them for
why would you sue them for ending the campaign? Isn't it their decision? What did that do to you? Maybe I missed something....
I don't know why anyone would want to do anything like that to Ron Paul anyways..... haha, I guess I'm such a fan, I can't comprehend it.
What sheeple have believed *gossip* and passed judgment??
Sandra posted the entire newsletter on RPFs, so she has a copy herself. I believe it's still *on* RPFs, but may require login since attack threads get moved to Hot Topics.
Sandra originated this thread on RPFs:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=146387
with a totally inaccurate title: Granny Warrior suing Ron Paul
Sandra has also posted other libelous statements. When mods at RPFs challenged her to give links to prove those statements, Sandra was unable to do so.
Below is the *relevant* part of the newsletter that proves the kind of person Sandra is.
Hopefully, those of you who have been "fooled once" will learn your lesson.
July 10,2008
Law Suit Anyone?
Should we do this?
Years ago as a lot of you remember Ross Perot ran for the Presidency, when he got a little scared he backed out of the campaign. His followers were much like the Ron Paul supporters and were very upset at his failure to continue.
One of his [***ROSS PEROT] avid supporters who had given a lot of time and money to the campaign filed a lawsuit against him. A Breech of Contract was filed against him with a civil class action suit. Many people joined the suit and Ross realized he was either going to have to go to court and fight or just back down and finish out his campaign like he had promised his suporters he would do. He chose to continue the campaign and of course he lost but he did stick it out to the finish which is basicly what we all want Ron Paul to do.
Ron Paul made the statement to many people that no matter what he would stay in the campaign at least until the convention. He broke that promise when he quit.
Now we need your imput. Should we force his hand or just sit back and wring our hands trying to figure out how to get him nominated without his assistance?
My question: How is this legitimate request for feedback about an option THAT WORKED IN THE PAST so horrible?
Yet, "stealth delegate" plans for a "coup" or a "revolt" at the RNC have been widely supported, with minimal consideration for the blowback of *those* actions?
Many of the posters in this thread should publicly apologize for failing to get the *evidence*, and just relying on gossip.
How are you any different than the sheeple you complain about who listen to MSM with no independent verification of facts?
You should be embarrassed-
Laurie is also Sally08 on RPF
and left out most of the newsletter. Post all of it Sally.
She is also visciously anti Ron Paul and slandered another woman she thought was me as well as posting her photo . Read here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=146889&highlig...
Laurie/Sally08 is consistantly anti Ron Paul
She only posts anti Ron Paul posts to both forums. We have NEVER seen her support him in any way on either forum. EVERY post is meant to devide. If there is any opportunity to turn a topic against Ron Paul she will attempt to run with it. I invite all posters to check out her past posts in this forum and RPF.
The real Sandra Dearie
http://www.democraticwarrior.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1747...
Boy you have a track record of hate, disorder and real ego degeneration.
How much money have you taken in on your chip in for Kent Snyders Hospital fund? Now I see why you are so defensive or should I say offensive.....
Granny Warrior
www.grannywarriors.com
Granny Warrior
www.grannywarriors.com
I thought you were calling me "dearie" ..
as being a smart ass form of "dear". But I see you think I'm a person named Sandra Dearie. No, you were told repeatedly by Louisiana meetup members, that is NOT me. But since you were dumb enough to slam this innocent person in public and on your forum (check out the topics on the forum, guys), you better keep thet lawyer handy if Ms Dearie gets wind of this. BTW she is a member of RPF with the same username she uses on other forums you mentioned so it's just a matter of time.
I'm not involved with ANY chipin.
I thought for a second that you were starting to show some remorse. I guess I was wrong.