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John D. ROCKEFELLER was a great man

Someone here posted the John D. Rockefeller was a "con" and a "robber baron." Since this goes to heart of the capitalist system Ron Paul defends, I thought it was appropriate to discuss this.

That Rockefeller was a criminal is false. Nothing could be further from the truth. That's anti-capitalist propaganda. Rockefeller was a market entrepreneur (as opposed to a political entrepreneur) who drove refined oil prices down with relentless competitiveness and ingenuity, and should be commended for it. He didn't use government to crush competitors (unlike his enemies who used antitrust legislation against him), but acted with free-market enterpreneurial dynamics to become the leading refiner. And on top of that he contributed $550,000,000 to charity, including many universities.

Read the real story: John D. Rockefeller and the Oil Industry, by Burton Folsom: http://www.fee.org/Publications/the-Freeman/article.asp?aid=... (Warning: This may be discomforting to newly socialists-turned-wannabe libertarian conservatives here).

It's pretty pathetic that he's being criticized as a criminal when he he's done a lot more for America than anyone on this forum.

I recommend all leftists, those deceived by leftists, and those indoctrinated by the public education system, and everyone else read "The Myth of the Robber Barons" by Burton Folsom, Jr. http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Robber-Barons-Burton-Folsom/dp/09... It's a must for any freedom-lover's library. (Notice on the Amazon site that it says those who bought this book also bought Dr. Paul's The Revolution: The Manifesto. That's a good sign. We're getting through to the anti-capitalists and converting them).

LISTEN to this EXCELLENT radio interview by Jason Lewis of KTLK with the author of the ariticle and book, which includes much discussion of John D. Rockefeller: http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download....

Note>: This about John D. Rockefeller, the Standard Oil entrepreneuer (who retired in 1897). Don't confuse him with John D. Rockefeller, Jr., his son who became a Standard Oil director after his father retired.

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Listening to this radio guy

I say that the break up of MA-Bell helped fuel access to Internet, AOL etc. Old AT&T had no incentive to provide additional services prior to that.

I think that the government role should be to enable FREE Markets. Corporations that enter POLITICS such as the Rockefellers gain unfair business advantages.

A few comments down

A few comments down preferred said this:

"Endgame. Isn't that an Alex Jones film? That guy is a moron. You coulnd't pay me to watch his movie or listen to his show. I've heard all I want to hear from him."

He claims to admire brave entrepreneurs, and claims to support RP... but cannot stand Alex Jonez, the ONLY person in the media to who supported RP, let alone the ONLY one in the media brave enough to expose the evil globalists like the Rockafellas.

Preferred "admires" JDR for his business savy but knows nothing and more importantly cares little of his "illuminated" sons?

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If I'm not mistaken, JDR created the Federal Reserve System

http://www.reformation.org/federal-reserve.html

Here is a chart showing how GREAT John D. Rockefeller was to the American People. He and Nelson Aldrich joined forces to push through the central bank and Income Tax to pay for it in 1913.

He was certainly a guiding

He was certainly a guiding force. Yes, Rockefeller's lasting legacy is the Income Tax, the Federal Reserve, and American entry into WWI. Quite a resume for a believer in "free enterprise." And don't forget buying oil rights from the government that stole them in the U.S.S.R.

Rockefeller is to capitalism what McCain is to a humble foreign policy.

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John D. wasn't the problem, it was his heirs.

The rockefeller family got into politics, and they've been fighting against us ever since.

-jcr

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quote: In 1870, the Standard

quote: In 1870, the Standard Oil Company was incorporated in Ohio by John D. Rockefeller. It was illegal under Ohio law (and almost every other State) to control a company in another state. Rockefeller managed to secretly buy up and control the independent oil producers and refiners.

In 1883, he moved the seat of empire to the Empire state and set up headquarters in the Metropolis of Mammon at 26 Broadway in New York City. There he set up a TRUST or HOLDING company and began to ruthlessly devour all the independent oil producers and refiners both nationally and internationally

http://www.reformation.org/rockefeller.html

"ruthlessly devour"

Anti-capitalist rhetoric. He BOUGHT these companies. No one was forced to sell. They sold because they liked what he offered to pay, and benefited from that.

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Good for

him. Free-market capitalism.

That's how he was able to drive prices down, by creating economies of scale. Consumers benefitted from this.

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But what he did was

But what he did was illegal

he broke the law

The law was illegal

Where in the Constitution is that authorized?

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i never said anything about

i never said anything about the Constitution.

Its a state law

It was illegal under Ohio law (and almost every other State) to control a company in another state.

Laws like that are created

Laws like that are created so free market can exist.

without it, one company like standard oil will buy everyone up and control all the oil prices in the USA or the world.

just like walmart.

walmarts capitalism is turning into a corp socialism

That would be a restriction on interstate trade

That's anti-free-market.

Read this article about the destructiveness of interstate trade barriers: http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj6n3/cj6n3-6.pdf

"Barriers to trade with other states are ostensibly prohibited by the
Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. This clause essentially
mandates that no state shall take any action that inhibits trade with
any other state."

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who said i was not against a

who said i was not against a restriction that would let free markets flourish?

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if that was the case then

if that was the case then you might as well get rid of all the laws including murder laws so he could kill all the competition.

some laws are needed for a free market to exist

Yes some

laws are needed for a free market to exist. Those laws should be laws against government from interfering with trade. All government should do is protect private property and freedom of contract.

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I can see where your going

I can see where your going but what does that have to do with Rockefeller breaking the state laws when they where imposed?

if he did not do so many law breaking things like that behind closed doors then there is a chance he would not have got such a monopoly under his belt.

He never had a monopoly.

At the height of his market share, he had 88% market share. That's not a monopoly. From that point, the market share kept dropping due to competition. By the time the antitrust trial started in 1911, market share was only 64% and there were over 100 other refiners competing.

The moral is you can't obtain a monopoly without government intervention to create a monopoly. Competition comes in inevitably.

Standard was broken up for "restricting trade," which is vague and nonsensical, and which is why the Sherman antitrust law should be abolished. (That's Dr. Paul's position as well). Standard acted as a business acts in a free market. It didn't use coercion to obtain success. It obtained success through relentless increases in efficiency.

(What's your source that he broke a state law, btw? Just that web page? It's not cited. And there is nothing wrong with breaking an unjust or unconstitutional law anyway. What if the state forbid starting a business? Why should that be obeyed? )

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Hey what about his son

Rockefeller Jr. You know so much about Rockefeller Sr, that I am finding it curious that you have no real opinion on Jr.

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I told you

I don't know anything about him. I like to read about entreprenuers, not inheritors of wealth who did nothing to earn it.

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ROCKEFELLER

Take him & his heirs & shove em up your ignorant ass. Enuf said.

John D.

changed when the government broke up standard oil, ripping his company apart. His rage brought him to the European bankers, who had a grand idea that world government would have never let that happen.

He devoted his fortune to planting the seeds of socialism in the US, after he shielded his fortune from the Income tax with "foundations".

Now there's something I didn't know

Thanks NJforRP.

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An industrialist, he was ...

and I admire him for that.

In addition, there is much to not admire.

WAHOR!!

Preferred what is your take on Rockefeller Jr?

Do you think that Rockefeller Jr. is worth his salt? From what I can tell he wants the NWO pretty bad. Your thoughts?

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I haven't followed the rest

of the Rockefeller family enough to comment. I'm sure there's a few rotten apples in there.

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Very nice, preferred.

Not even a hint of condescension or arrogance. Welcome to dailypaul. Off topic, but what about property rights and the environment? Is that something you have followed?

Of course

I'm all for private property.

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Good.

I'm looking forward, (I think), to your thoughts on any future threads on environmental issues.

Do tell.

I suggest you watch ENDGAME then. Oh and in case you're wondering ROCKEFELLER JR is the most rotten apple of them all loaded with DDT and crawling with worms. Someone as knowing about the history of his family would surly know that Rockefeller Jr is a total piece of human filth. Humm.

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