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Off Topic- Just discovered Im a Libertarian

Submitted by NotOverYet on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 11:49
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eventhough Im a self described Conservative and I know Im economically libertarian leaning.
took this test
http://www.helloquizzy.com/results/the-politics-test/?fromCG...

So Im in the Top 13% in Economic Liberty. With a score of 77%
I didnt do as well in the Personal Liberty test Im in the top 65%. With a score of 62%
I was as honest as possible. I guess Im worried about the moral decay which made me score less on Personal Liberty than Economic Liberty.

Ive taken a test last year with around 200 questions and my score was a tie between being a Thomas Jefferson or a Dwight Eisenhower.
Its cool to take those tests

heres the test for those who want to take it
http://www.helloquizzy.com/quizzy/take

So what are you?
remember to be honest

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93% personal liberty & 97% economic liberty

Submitted by dcarter9 on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 20:22.

and this from a disabled vet

sweet test....

Submitted by imperium8infinitum8 on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 17:20.

haha you could tell the guy that made it is a libertarian for sure.

i scored 95/97% but that doesn't surprise me because im a market anarchist. the state is my arch enemy...

I'm libertarian a little to

Submitted by fastinated on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 16:21.

I'm libertarian a little to the right. 81%/79% Long test!

As you learn more

Submitted by samadamscw on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 16:00.

Your score will approach or match 100% on both scales.

You're worried about moral decay and you think government should dictate how you live? A government which has the power to prohibit a behavior has the power to mandate it. Government legislating morality will, when combined with 'homeland security' (how Naziesque sounding) lead to an Orwellian nightmare. Some would claim we are already in it and are just now realizing it.

Took the test

Submitted by jpadgett on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 15:46.

77 / 74 I think it's how strong your answers are. Do you strongly disagree or agree or a general disagree or agree. Mostly I just answered with a general agree or disagree. Maybe I'm just a little more moderate. Either way I already knew the answer.

Ron scored a perfect 100%

Submitted by atrickpay on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 15:35.

on The Advocates quiz.

If you score less than 100% on that one, you need to do more reading...

Also, conservatism is a sham

Submitted by atrickpay on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 15:46.

Capitalism in not the system of the past; it is the system of the future—if mankind is to have a future.

Those who wish to fight for it must discard the title of “conservatives.”

“Conservatism” has always been a misleading name, inappropriate to America.

Today, there is nothing left to “conserve”: the established political philosophy, the intellectual orthodoxy, and the status quo are collectivism.

Today, the fighters for capitalism have to be, not bankrupt “conservatives”, but new radicals, new intellectuals and, above all, new, dedicated moralists.

- Ayn Rand from Conservatism: An Obituary

78% personal liberty, 90% economic liberty.

Submitted by preferred on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 15:35.

I didn't like the test too much. Whoever wrote it is not very bright.

I especially didn't like this question: "The constitution is what gives us our rights." I think the Constitution IS what gives us our rights, but I'm sure the author of the tests counts that as anti-libertarian. One doesn't have to believe in God or natural law to be a libertarian.

In more than one question, I was trapped into being labeled non-libertarian on some issues, due to bad test-design.

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The Constitution Doesn't Give Us Anything

Submitted by IMissLiberty on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 17:03.

If you don't believe in natural rights, then you don't.

But the Constitution does not grant any rights whatsoever, but reserves them for the states and the People.

It denies the federal government all rights. It gives the government some priveledges. And, it gives some priveledges to some individuals, such as to the president and to citizens to vote.

The whole idea of this country's formation was that we already had the rights and we had a right to assert them, and did. You may believe we didn't have the rights, but in that case, the Constitution was used to set up a government that was supposed to respect the ones we claim.

IMissLiberty

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Rights don't come from the Constitution

Submitted by atrickpay on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 15:40.

Badnarik got it right: the Constitution only delineates natural rights.

I don't believe natural rights exist.

Submitted by preferred on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 16:05.

Prove natural rights.

The way I see it, rights have to be fought for and created by man. They are human constructs.

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OK

Submitted by atrickpay on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 16:17.

a) The axiom (self-evident truth) of self-ownership shows that property can be owned.

b) A right is a legitimately enforceable claim. Rights thus are derived by definition from property that one owns.

Ok..

Submitted by preferred on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 16:24.

I disagree that self-ownership is axiomatic. If I put you in chains, you don't fully own yourself. Rather, I would own you.

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That is a rights violation

Submitted by atrickpay on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 16:36.

Just because you're being enslaved, it doesn't mean you don't own your body. Rights can be violated.

It's an axiom because any attempt to deny it inadvertently affirms it.

You're just going back to

Submitted by preferred on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 16:38.

asserting natural rights without proving them.

Prove that you have a natural right to self-ownership.

I am not affirming that you have natural right to self-ownership when I claim that you don't. Nothing in that statement affirms it.

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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Bob Barr's campaign.

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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.

There is no natural right to self-ownership

Submitted by atrickpay on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 16:46.

I think you've got it backwards.

The right to your body is derived from the fact that you own it.

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Submitted by preferred on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 16:48.

A right to property that one owns? That sounds circular. How are you defining ownership? Having a right to something? If so, you still have to prove the right.

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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Bob Barr's campaign.

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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.

Defintion of ownership?

Submitted by atrickpay on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 17:19.

That's a good question. I've never thought of that before. I'll have to look into this. I'll get back to you.

I think I'm a Libertarian. I'll have to do the quiz later though

Submitted by D4L on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 14:55.

and make sure!!! LOL

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Submitted by austrianschool on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 14:43.

Perhaps we could have Obama and McCain give it a go.
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haha

Submitted by JFEJ004 on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 15:07.

I would love to see particularly how Obama would score...

haha

Submitted by JFEJ004 on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 15:35.

touche, xntryk1, touche haha

lots of Radical Ls here lolol

Submitted by NotOverYet on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 14:34.

any love for the less radical Ls like me?
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I would hope that all who seek Liberty are welcome

Submitted by austrianschool on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 15:03.

and valued.
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Radical Libertarian

Submitted by healthnut4freedom on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 13:34.

80% personal liberty, 90% economic.

That sounds rather crazy. I don't think of myself as radical at all. It just seems like common sense.

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Centrist here

Submitted by bdunn on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 13:24.

Don't think the questions were always clear on their exact meaning. For example, sometimes added "federal" control and sometimes did not.....but interestng.

hey were close. Im a Libertarian close to the center. I agree

Submitted by NotOverYet on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 14:07.

especially the questions on charity and welfare. I didnt know if they were on Federal welfare and charity or private welfare and charity. some questions made no sense at all
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Those were tough ones

Submitted by healthnut4freedom on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 14:49.

I believe society has responsibility for the less fortunate but that it can't be legislated by government or forced through our taxes by the federal government. So, if it said government, I disagreed.

Healthnut4freedom

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'Radical libertarian'

Submitted by thefreeman on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 12:28.

High 90s, but I knew that!