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Looking to Leave the USA? This article may interest you.

We have all thought about it. Leaving. Leaving the country. This article is good and may interest you.
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=036516&Fr...

Meanwhile, lets consider the reasons...

1) The Economy stinks and may get worse.

Peter Schiff and others are predicting a "Black Monday" event, where upon the Stock Market and Dollar collapses. They recommend that you get your assets out of the USA and into other non-dollar denominated equities, commodities, and gold. But if you are going to get your assets out, why not get your ass out too?

Answer: 3 million Americans every year do. They even pay the Bill Clinton exit tax when giving up their US Citizenship. Some keep their citizenship and pay Double Income taxes.... that is if you make over $86,000 in a foriegn country, then you pay Uncle Sam too. Now that is a costly way to keep a US passport.

2) Other places may be MORE FUN places to live.

If you have an internet based business and phone, location is secondary to where you live. Years back, if you where in the steel business, you needed to BE at a certain PLACE. Today, thanks to the internet and phone system, you do not have to be anywhere but "connected". Even if you don't have an internet based business, your business may be NEEDED in some other country MORE than its needed here. Say, 2nd hand equipment retailer and equipment repair. Buying up all those "old tube TV's" once the US mandated digital ones are "law", may be very lucrative business in say, Panama. Further, Panama ships around the world, has an Free Enterprise Zone -- no taxes, and so could be ideal. Anyone who invests $50,000 to start their business and hires 3 Panamanians, gets a special visa as well.

3) If Martial Law comes or the USA gets more terrorist Blow Back because the USA continues to stick its military hand inside the Middle Eastern hornets nest, you won't be around to suffer from it.

Panama City, Panama has an international airport and is just a 3. hour flight from LA. From Houston Texas its about 3.5 hours direct flight. Check Travelocity, its just $345 round trip. Panama is about the size of say, South Carolina. Check out the CIA fact book here: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...
Check out this couple as "typical ex-pats" -one from Britain & one from China--who open up a B&B http://www.bedandbreakfastpanama.com/about.htm and go here for more info: http://www.bedandbreakfastpanama.com/links.htm
Costa Rica is interesting too. It has no military, via the Constitution, and perhaps that is why the USA has never invaded it, like it has done to the neighbors to both the North & South more than several times. But friends I know say that Costa Rica, like Miami has been "cubanized", Costa Rica has been "gringoed" so you may not get the good deals, that is, Americans are all over the place. Check out this abc news report. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgl9M8O_PEQ&feature=related
I don't know this company, but cool promo video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo6R3GlHdo0&feature=related
I guess Donald Trump is getting into the Panama action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJwZlFFesuY&feature=related
Cool info video here on Panama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB7c4H32Ai0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cMrybfCJB8&feature=related
It sounds like its time to open a big book store in Panama City.
I also see that Costa Rica has a Libertarian political party, not sure if Panama has one.

4) The rest of the planets population is all "turning Middle Class".

That is, like Americans did just after WWII, suddenly we needed toasters, ironing boards, nail salons, larger houses, etc, the rest of the world is now feeling what it feels like to finally own something and have some leisure time. In the 1950's, camp grounds and hotels exploded with the near universal birth of the Two week vacation. From better furniture to better schools, the new American Middle Class "wanted it all". Well the new Latin American Middle Class, the new Chinese Middle Class, and the future Indian Middle Class will also, "want it all". Perhaps you and your business can be there to provide it to them?

5) As an "American" you have a "brand built in" to what ever you choose to do.

Much like any Frenchman who comes from France to the USA to open up his own restaurant, that is all he or she has to do is open up a normal restaurant (to him) and we all say "Oooh la, la, la...its French!". The same goes for us when we decide to open a business abroad. Open up any business in say, Mongolia's capital city, and the customers will come rolling in just because "Its American". Now that is a nice bonus and it goes with you where ever you choose to go.

Here is an interesting excerpt from the article that you may wish to read: ......

"Escaping "sameness." Doing most of their work out of their condo, the Hudginses have two young children whose edu-cation at a local Spanish-language Catholic school is supplemented with materials that their mother downloads from the Internet. Describing themselves as libertarians, the Hudginses went abroad out of discontent, not with American politics but with a dull sameness they found in American suburban life. Even though they did extensive planning for the move, they admit that the challenges of the new life are considerable. Some of the greater ones are imposed by the U.S. government, which, though it grants an exemption of close to $86,000 of earnings, is the only developed nation that taxes citizens who are living abroad and paying foreign income taxes.) But both are quick to say that the rewards (in Panama) far outweigh the difficulties. In addition to valuing the warm weather, the idyllic setting, a close family life, and a busy social schedule, both are clearly invigorated by days that that are demanding but not stressful in a culture that blends the modern and the traditional in a comfortable way. They appreciate the irony that American know-how and technology (largely the Internet) make it possible for them to enjoy what is in many ways a very un-American lifestyle. But they are doubtful whether they can go home again. "We may decide to pack up and move on one day," Allison says. "But it's more likely that we'd find some new port of call than move back to the States."

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

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Here's all I have to say ont the subject.

No goddamn tyrants are gonna run me out of my own country without one helluva fight.
The only way I'm leaving is "toes-up".

I'll try to get some good licks in for the rest of you.

How I found freedom in an Unfree world?

Has anyone read it? Its from Harry Browne.

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

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Real Freedom

Let's be real here folks. The only way to achieve real freedom is to drop out of society and to become a sovereign individual. Now, some ex-pats move away from home and after a few months start to get the feeling of real freedom, but the longer they stay the more they start to assimilate into their new society and the freedom is lost again--I know this from 1st-hand experience.

My point is, where there's society and community there's restraints on freedom--this is inevitable. The only way to avoid this is to become a nomad--but of course one with money.

So, to put this into a simple set of rules: Freedom from credit, freedom from stuff, freedom from the modern trappings of society and community means freedom to drop out and drop in on any place you choose.

Real freedom is not achieved just by leaving one society or community for another, it's about refusing to join any.

http://www.roadjunky.com/

Drop out?

I do not believe "its the only way". Even a Nomad with or with out money will experience constraints.

Certainly the freedoms and or liberties we enjoy all come from different sources. Some from parents, at least in the beginning, then our beliefs, our wallet, then our loved ones and then State & Federal laws.... so its all "relative". And its about finding the right balance that fits you.

For a libertarian like me, the question of Liberty comes down to Laws, Police, and Federal & State controls over me and my activities.

As for me, the thought of living the next ten years inside the USA as a Great Depression comes and perhaps Martial Law, does not appeal to me.

So I must weigh that against other places to live and try to balance the Pluses and Minuses.

Don't we all do this?

In peace & liberty,
Treg

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Some of the comments here are why RP is called nuts...

Ron Paul has been saddled by the media calling him kooky because his supporters are alleged to be kooky. Too many comments, but not all, on this post demonstrate that, including the post by Treg. Think about what you are saying!!! Many of the commenters here have no clue of any fact, much less any idea about Liberty. Hey man, like I could smoke MJ in Colombia without a seatbelt, and I felt FREEEEEEEE!!!!!!! How absurd to talk about leaving America because "China is FREEEEEE!!!!!!" Hey, if you can get wasted then that's the only thing to consider, right????

Is Treg a troll?

News flash: China is 'booming' because the corporate weenies in cahoots with the Feds (govt & Reserve) use the Chinese as slave labor. The Chinese people may be wonderful (some are, some are not, and the idea that the Chinese are automatically smarter is racist mythology) but that does not make the Chinese government non-tyrannical. And should you go there, whether for good reasons or without reason, it is the Chinese tyranny you will have to face. Uh, BTW, don't spit in the gutter in China. No, do, and you will get some interesting firsthand experience. The Chinese are slaves, still, and we will be too, at the hands of the same power elites, UNLESS WE START TO STRIVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT LIBERTY IS. Stop escaping and start learning.

The real winner here is the guy who claimed that all guns in Switzerland had been confiscated. Yes, he could be smoking some MJ (hehehe)!

I am not complaining about anyone who would go to other countries for real reasons. I am complaining about anyone who thinks that hanging out on the beach with MJ and feeling "FREEEEE!!!" is somehow Liberty. If you have a real reason to visit or live in China or Columbia or wherever, I have no complaint; go there, stay safe and enjoy it, perhaps come back and fight for Liberty.

For those who don't understand what liberty is, and Treg does not, please, go away and don't come back. Those of us who do understand the battle for Liberty don't need your 'help'.

JMBLiberty, being "nuts" is all relative from

where you stand.

As far as a definintion of Liberty I accept the libertarian one and agree with wikipedia on its political definition .... Perhaps I am not the one that needs to "strive to learn what liberty is".

Meanwhile, let me ask you, does anyone over 45 use the word "troll"? Being over 45 myself, I never use it. I am unclear on its definition, not because someone does not define it, but because its thrown around so easily that it seems meaningless.... about as meaningful as me calling you "silly smurf". Are you a silly smurf?

IQ test are well, IQ tests. So JMBLiberty, what are you going to say after giving 10,000 asian students in california the test, and 10,000 white students the test, and though scores are all over the place for both ethnicities, asians average 10% more than whites? What are you going to say or think about your finding? Call the IQ test racist? Let me ask you, do you beileve in the scientific principles of evolution? That is it opperates upon Variation & Selection. If so, how can you hold the theory of evolution to be true, yet also hold that all human ethnic groups should, must, have to, test the same? Where is the variation that mother nature selects upon?

Oh, you don't believe in evolution, you believe in the litteral bible. Well there you go, being nuts is relative isn't it? You see, from where I stand that position is well, "nuts", "kooky", ....which is to say that believing in the fables and myths of a bunch of desert wondering Jews with a 5th grade education is .....just plain kooky to me. But there you go, millions believe such things, so we are all just a bunch of mixed up and very confused nuts and kooks who do not know what liberty is ..... even if its walking on the streets of Colombia with a Corona, taking a taxi ride without a seat belt, and watching the sunset while smoking a joint. Thanks for teaching me JMBLiberty that THAT was not real liberty.

Question: IS the "REAL liberty" you want me to experience found in the streets of your city?

Let me ask you further: IS the "Liberty" that you want me to feel the cold hard feeling of my face hitting the pavement as a police officer slams me down for walking outside with a beer in my hand?

IS the "Liberty" that you want me to feel is the feeling of Sweat across my forhead as I see red and blue lights in my car mirror? Or is it the feeling when the Police office hands me a court appearence date (or else) or a $125 fine for choosing to not wear ---hold it hold it--MY OWN seat belt? Is that the liberty you want me to feel JMB?

IS the "Liberty" that you want me to feel that paniky feeling that comes from hanging out on the beach lighting up, and then seeing several squad cars with blinking red and blue lights and a swat team of men decend upon me, tackle me down and "rescue me" from enjoying a relaxing joint?

News Flash to JMB, Feeling Liberty is LIBERTY. And what is Liberty other than doing what you want so long as you are not hurting others? To make the claim that walking with MY beer, smoking MY joint, or not wearing MY seatbelt gives me the feeling of Liberty that I never had inside the USA, is to talk to you about what real liberty is.

If you are a Patriot, and I am sure you are, and I bet you love Dr. Paul as much as I or anyone, then you must realize that WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY comes LIBERTY and PRIVACY. Liberty and Privacy are the twin sisters that are born from Father Private Property. Whenever you kill Father Private Property, you kill Liberty and Privacy.

Its claimed that the Supreme Court "found privacy" in the Constitution, where there is no "right to privacy". The fact is correct, the Supreme court found it, where it was not, but it WAS and IS in the Constitution. Private Property is where we get the twin daughters of Liberty and Privacy.

So you see JMB, I have given the matter some thought. But kooks and nuts can accept my ideas on the matter, or not. Its their OWN mind, their OWN Bodies, hence their OWN liberty to accept my points or NOT.

Are you with me JMB? Are we both two Nuts of the Same kind? Are we both Kooks for Liberty?

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

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Are you getting you China info

From focks news? or the newspaper? Have you lived there? Please let me know. ohh by the way are you a slave to the IRS? Federal Reserve? What?
If you don't like the thread don't post.
This is just some info to ponder when the bottom comes in America and without Paul's way, it will happen.

Sorry if this offends you. I will quit to make you happy!

ps Jack Parkman, I spelled "focks" that way for a reason......

If your REALLY thinking of leaving the USA...

Discover Costa Rica

peaceplace@racsa.co.cr

Discover Costa Rica

There's a bit more to leaving the USA than this article...

They even pay the Bill Clinton exit tax when giving up their US Citizenship. Some keep their citizenship and pay Double Income taxes.... that is if you make over $86,000 in a foriegn country, then you pay Uncle Sam too. Now that is a costly way to keep a US passport.

The "exit tax" is only levied if you are a quite wealthy. If you are smart about moving your money, you can avoid this levy. For the average American, this won't be a problem. It's the "tax refugees" they are looking for, bless their hearts.

Secondly, no matter where you move to, you most likely will have to wait years before you can become a citizen of your new country -- two to five years is pretty standard (there are some countries that allow you to buy citizenship but you will have nothing but trouble traveling on those passports).

Next, income tax. Many countries have tax treaties with the US and you receive a credit for having paid tax in your new country. While the article states that anything over $86,000 is "double taxed" that isn't quite true. You will get credit for having paid tax in your new home. Realistically, you are probably looking at a few hundred dollars a year to keep the IRS off your butt (until we do away with the IRS). I normally pay more for my tax agent in Florida (specialist in expat taxes) than I do in tax. You do have a choice to make, however, to pay or not to pay. As an expat, it is a felony to not file your taxes (even if you earn zero, unlike you lucky Statesiders). If you plan to return once or twice a year to visit family, I highly recommend you stay compliant (for now). If you have no reason to ever return to the US, the decision is your's.

Leaving the US is a big step and much bigger than your article/post alludes to. As far as Panama is concerned, remember that their currency is the US dollar. Also, don't be fooled into thinking all will be great because you have the internet. When I first moved to Australia, there were five TV channels and no internet. Now we have HD and broadband BUT I don't have my family, my friends, no good Mexican food, no 4th of July, no Halloween, and nobody knows me before the age of 25 (I have no "history" -- nobody to "remember when" with). You will always be "the American". I have been spat upon for no other reason than my American accent and have had some pretty terrible things said to me.

Much like any Frenchman who comes from France to the USA to open up his own restaurant, that is all he or she has to do is open up a normal restaurant (to him) and we all say "Oooh la, la, la...its French!". The same goes for us when we decide to open a business abroad. Open up any business in say, Mongolia's capital city, and the customers will come rolling in just because "Its American". Now that is a nice bonus and it goes with you where ever you choose to go.

Don't bet on this. Did you write this Treg? Where do you live overseas? Not Australia, that's for sure (and they are a "friendly" people).

If anyone is seriously considering moving overseas, please contact other Americans in the area you are looking at moving and visit in their "worst" season.

Good luck.

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Geez, let's keep an open

Geez, let's keep an open mind here. I doubt that anyone really thinks things will be all that rosy in any country but I'll tell you what, living in Singapore and Japan for the past 10 years has had a huge upside for me as an individual.

The biggest upside for me is that it opened my mind wide, made me a smarter investor and brought me to the Campaign for Liberty.

Personally, if every single American was forced to live in another country for at least a year--and I'm not talking about the military here--then we would be much better off as a nation. Not all people but many would be effected very positively. Some people though, like the folks that support Ron Paul, already get it.

I'm sorry you were spat on and called rude names but that's never happened to me. As a matter of fact, the only time I have had to defend myself in the past 10 was in a bar against another American--ha ha! When I was living in America it seemed like I was always having some sort of problem or issue every other month--whether it was from the police or walking down the street there always seemed to be something.

Besides, Australia is the little stupid step brother of America, that's not exactly a big cultural or life experience change. What you're getting there is less original version of American culture....

No 4 of July?

Wow I bet it looks funny on their calender,jumps from the third to the fifth. Forget that place, I stay here in China! People love us, good wage and they have the fourth of July! in fact they have all the days, the only 4 that is missing is in the elevators, it goes from 3 to 3a then 5....but I can live with that!

86,000 a year? Heck you can live like a king on 12,000 usd a year here!

They do spit on the bus floors although...

LOL!

Yes, the day DOES appear on the calendar but it's in the winter and it's just another day. I miss my dad's BBQ ribs, watermelon, and fireworks.

"They do spit on the bus floors..."

Last time I was in China, they spat just about everywhere. it's a great place. Much better if you're a guy though. Squatting over the toilet holes gets a bit old. I'll never forget one Beijing museum where the cleaners swept all the "toilet box" material out into the hallway for all visitors to see -- used toilet paper in every configuration. Nice.

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Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

Well I must disagree with one point

"Much better if your a guy" the rich Chinese man will not wine and dine me but they do like western woman! You can have your pick of the rich guys! As far as your reference to the "squattie potty" yes I won't use them either after the first time when I missed and filled my dropped pants.Thats why I rent the apartments with the western toilet and make sure I eat right so I'm regular, you know like mom taught us, "go before you leave home." I do cheat and flush the paper, yes, they don't!
The first time I saw a lady spit on the bus floor I told her in Chinese, My mother told me that is very bad, your mother did not tell you?" her face turned red and said in English "Sorry sorry sorry." Others watching smiled and all of them stared at the floor...

But you know the morality here is like it was in USA in the late 5o's and 60's, but I'm in the south of China not the north. There are churches here and people go, and its legal.

oh forgot, in English corner they love to hear about Ron Paul!

No guns or punk kids in gangs here, its safe to walk the streets.at any hour, at least so far that is. A few pick pockets but you just keep it in the front pockets and your ok...Best of all...no gangster rappers and slime balls!
Hey when your sick of "Kangaroovill" try
"Free China"! "The worlds most gracious host!"
Fireworks, BBQ's and lots of watermelons!

Well, enjoy it while you

Well, enjoy it while you can. The gangsta rappers and slime is coming.

I live in Nippon and it's rampant here....

Chairman Mao was right!

"If you open the window the flies will come in!"

Thanks for the keen eye.

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

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Not sure how much stake I put in...

...the writings of someone who misspells "martial law" and "Houston."

Are you the Jack Parkman

that works at the library as the book cop on Seinfeld's show?
Every time I read a post from you I see that guy...is it you Mr. Parkman?

Thanks for the correction.

Put as much stake into it as you wish. I have not lived in Panama, only visited. I have been to Mexico, Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, several times. But living there is different. I provided links and some of those youtube videos had side links to Expats who comment on life outside the USA and what they miss, don't miss, and love about their host country. I would put "some" stock in that.

One thing is for sure, if Martial Law comes, I am out of here.

So I should have added, its TIME TO GET YOUR PASSPORTS ......Now!

Even if we don't know where we would be going, its good to know you can go if you had too.

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

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Costa Rica is the best of the bunch...wouldn'y you say Treg?

Been here over 20 years and can tell you for sure...it is the best place in Latin America. I also lived in Colombia & Ecuador before settling here.

VERY little taxes too...that is if you pay anything at all !!!

Discover Costa Rica

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Who is Marshall Law?

It seems I remember him having paid a visit to Panama in the not too distant past. There was this fellow Noriega ...

Seriously, isn't Panama pretty much a protectorate of the USA? I understand they use US currency as their own. That would be small comfort in a collapse. And if the power failed, I'd hate to live in Panama without air conditioning. How many died of malaria there before modern times?

Have any of you looked at Uruguay? It looks really interesting.

Post up some things on that country!

You are right about the dollar, Panama currancy is tied to it. Singapore, Hong Kong, and Australia I hear are not.

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I can sympathize...

While I can sympathize with the desire to flee, I guess I just wouldn't feel right leaving the country right now.

As one of the small number of people who understands what is going on in America (and ultimately, the world), I feel a sense of responsibility to awaken the rest of humanity to this threat.

True, I might buy a few years of peace and prosperity for myself and my family; but when the United States falls, it won't be long before the rest of the world follows suit.

Besides, I just can't shake the image of rats deserting a sinking ship.

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im here to stay too. time to fight not leave.

E Pluribus Unum...

.....Out of many, one.

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For anyone without kids

For anyone without kids wanting to leave America, make sure you have your finances in order, money in the bank, then grab a backpack in fly out to Asia. Your cash in most places will last you for a while. Probably best to stay away from Tokyo, Singapore and Hong Kong because your cash will fly out of your pockets even if you try not to let it happen. Tokyo is a city where you can stick Y10,000 (approximately $100) in a vending machine anywhere. I've discovered, once you break that Y10,000 it seems to disappear very fast. Of course, Japan is one of the only countries in the world you can still hitchhike safely so there are some perks.

S.E. Asia is probably ideal. Every couple months just hop to a new country. You could float around Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, and Indonesia for years and years without spending too much money. You could probably pick up some work here and there earning local wages at some foreign owned hotel, bar or even teach conversation English. You're not going make enough money to save but you'll make enough to buy some meals and pay for a cheap room, and you won't dip into your real savings abroad.

The only downside to all this is that you'll never have a place you call "home" and you can't keep stuff other than what will fit in a backpack. I personally like this style. I hate "stuff" and I lived my life like this for 3 years after I finished college--it was the best 3 years of my life and I long for the day I can get back out there....

Here's a great site and a great article to help any aspiring road junky.

http://www.roadjunky.com/guide/262/guide-to-early-retirement

Mass Exodus?

Exit U.S .
By Mike Muehleck

One and a half million U.S. households are preparing to move out of the U.S. The vast majority of émigrés are in their 20s, 30s, and 40s. And some may not ever return.

No, we are not talking about the next major deployment of National Guard units to the Middle East. In fact, none of the emigrants are government workers or corporate employees leaving for temporary overseas assignments. These folks are malcontents or adventurers. They consist entirely of private citizens and their families packing up and leaving the good ol' USA solely at their own initiative.

This news comes from a Zogby International poll of 115,000 Americans conducted over the past two years. Bob Adams, CEO of New Global Initiatives, commissioned the poll when he realized that no reliable database tracks the movement of Americans out of the country. A recent Barron's article, written by Bob Adams, breaks down the Zogby/New Global Initiatives data as follows:

· 1.6 million (U.S. households) have already made the decision to leave
· 1.8 million are seriously considering and likely to leave
· 7.7 million are somewhat serious about leaving and may do so
· 3.0 million are seriously considering purchase of non-U.S. property
· 10.0 million are somewhat serious about purchase of non-U.S. property

Adding it all up, some 10% of all U.S. households are looking to leave the country, while another 11% are considering living outside the U.S. at least part time.

"That Can't Be Right"

"Incredulous" is the word that best describes the reaction of people when they hear Adams' conclusions. I brought the subject up the other night while barbequing and drinking beer with some American business people I know here in Bangkok. Even this well-traveled group greeted the poll results with skepticism. They asked, "How did he get thes data? Who did they interview?"

Maybe I was missing something, I thought to myself. So I decided to give Bob Adams a call. I reached him one evening at his home in Panama. "It's happening," Adams insisted, when asked about this new wave of emigration.
"And we really can't say exactly why."

While Adams' survey includes destinations all over the world, the survey's findings corroborate Adams' first-hand observations in Panama. Adams says the recent American immigrants to Panama are different from previous ones. Ten years ago, the typical American ex-pat in Panama was likely to be a retiree who had previously been in Panama. Perhaps they had been on a military assignment or with the Canal Zone administration. These folks tended to live in "American only" enclaves for social and security reasons and had fairly little interaction with the local population. These older ex-pats frequently used the words "tropical paradise" to describe why they moved to Panama.

But today's immigrants tend to be a lot younger, professionally employed, and more likely to meld into the international community than earlier transplants. These folks generally say they moved to Panama for adventure, a lower cost of living, or to escape the growing intrusiveness of the American political and legal systems.

Continued here: http://www.howestreet.com/articles/index.php?article_id=5184

The battle today is not between conservatives and liberals or Republicans and Democrats. It is a battle between Americans and globalists. ~ Chuck Baldwin

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Wife and I are leaving the country

Wife and I are leaving the country for this very reason. I am obtaining my UK citizenship from my father and we are totally bailing.

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Colin
http://www.zealfortruth.org

I'm not trying to be an

I'm not trying to be an asshole, but the UK is much worse than the States. Orwell's nightmare is alive and well there and it's getting creepier by the day. My boss is British and he refuses to even visit there now....

4,000 people a week trying to leave the UK

"Britain is facing a mass exodus of people looking to escape the crime and grime of modern living."

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/15642/4,000-people-a-wee...

-"Ron Paul cured me of my predilection for Che Guevara T shirts."

How About . . .

New Zealand? I have only heard wonderful things about the people, quality of life, pristine natural habitat etc. etc. But you'd still be under British rule . . . well, sort of. It's a Constitutional Monarchy with Queen Liz's representative at it's head, and then elected NZ parties.