Sunday Open Thread. True or False?

First off I want to say the brilliance on this site blows me away oh man, absolutely amazing people here but y'all intimidate me, I'm not up for the grammar cops nitpicking me but here goes.

No. 1 The message was so radical by standards, abolish the IRS, the departments people couldn't comprehend. With names like The Department of Education, The Patriot Act, FBI, CIA people see no further than the name they assume it's good for us, that we need it. Ron Paul should have elaborated on WHY he wanted to do these things. Unless people took it upon themselves to research and find out for themselves they had no idea what it's all about. Most people only get their information from the media it is all they know and they trust it. And so many women got stuck on the abortion topic. People want freebies and will vote for the one who promises the most. Ron Paul was not offering freebies so they tuned out.

No. 2 Definitely the media and corporate bias prevented the message from being heard. It's criminal. That alone should have made people wake up and ask questions but it didn't. Yes, sadly the average American is not very smart. They don't want to know, it's too much to handle, it's easier to stay in the dark, and that way they don't have to do anything.

My thoughts are the ones who ran the campaign were not aggressive, it wasn't run as well as it could have been, but just going by the ones at the MeetUps the common type (nerds! oh my) educated, and intelligent, but mild mannered and non-aggressive meek types. What was needed was aggressive outspokenness like the Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura types. And where were the celebrities? Yes, some were there, for one, Aimee Allen (forgive me for not mentioning all the others) but she had the courage and guts to take a stand put herself out there but shame on all the others for not having the ovaries she has to speak up.

Don't be discouraged! People have not given up the fight for liberty. It is NOT just an online phenom. We have shifted from using our time to track Ron Paul online (and to get marching orders) to using our time to start lots of little fires. While the St. Paul meeting can be (and will be) effective in showing the undercurrent of liberty, it should not be considered the culmination of our efforts. It will simply be a large signboard that says, "We haven't quit, and we're not planning on it either. Come join the fight for liberty."

As to your questions: why did the Ron Paul campaign not do any better? Perhaps:

1. Ron was a victim of the oldest trick in the book - misinformation.
The old guard republicans that we talked to would always agree with every talking point. As soon as you mention "Ron Paul", they wouldn't have anything to do with him. This is because the other candidates and the media painted him as a kook, and it worked.

2. The local parties are so corrupt, we could not help Ron in any way shape or form.
The corruption of the party is so bad that many of us found that we will have to fight to get the party to just play by its own rules first before we can affect the outcome. As it is, the outcome is predetermined, non-negotiable, and not very Ron Paul (or liberty) friendly.

3. The voting process is corrupt/Ron Paul got more than 6%.
Anyone following Clint Curtis' story in Florida knows that the voting machines are so easily manipulated. Clint is the expert - he wrote the code to do it! For those who think this is wishful thinking of the losing team, think again! Pick your documentary - there are several to choose from - to learn more about how corrupt the voting system is. Ron Paul had more support than was reflected in the figures presented to the public.

As for the Rally: What are the factors here that keep me (and my family of six) from going to St. Paul (from Texas)?:

1. Money and time are limited resources.
We discussed for many weeks the necessary and historic moment in time that St. Paul will be, and that we would love to go and be counted! The truth is, I can't take any more time off of work to go to St. Paul. Plus all the initial money bombs, helping the blimp get airborne, the chip-ins for people to travel to state, now chip-ins for people to go to St. Paul, chip-ins for the legal battles that are still going on here in Texas, chip-ins for Ron Paul-lovin' candidates, my own personal time off and money for mission trips in the summer - where am I going to get the money to go in the first place? We just can't. I could probably get $500 if I sold everything sellable - and that won't take six people cross country for a week or more.

2. We are focused on the local party.
Members in our county are getting a conservative blog together, modeling it after other local blogs that have been surprisingly successful. The goal is to become THE source of daily local information for the next four years. In addition, there are ongoing discussions with the old guard who can't understand how McCain became the party candidate. These discussions are very effective in changing hearts and minds, but they take time. And we've become bold, not hesitating to mention Freedom to Fascism, or some of the other subjects that led us to Ron Paul to begin with.

(As an aside - we were also waiting for the "big announcement that would sell out the rest of the tickets" or whatever Jesse Benton had said last week. Then there was no Monday announcement, so the campaign itself right now looks a bit foolish. Not that we could've done anything about it - other than spread [whatever the announcement was] around like wildfire to our friends!)

If you want to feel better, ask people what they are doing on a weekly or monthly basis to keep the coals hot after the raging fire of 2007. I bet the level of activity is fairly high still; it's just not trumpeted as "success for Ron Paul" because he's no longer a candidate. This is my first time back to the Daily Paul in many many months, simply because I'm not tracking Ron Paul any more on a daily basis.

But I am conversing with others about liberty almost every day, and it's making a big difference locally. Like many others, my lifestyle has permanently changed because of this. One way or another we will change this country, as did the founders.

-Brad
P.S. Read 1776 by Daivd McCullough. It is quite thorough in describing the length, width, and height of r3VOLution.

1. It’s true it was largely an online phenomenon. Because of an informed few and many more who were willing to go beyond the 5 minute sound bites of TV and radio and look a little deeper. Unfortunately the majority of Americans are not willing to do that even of the millions who have internet access there is only a small percentage that use it to vet out news and do more then send email and look at sports scores, play games or their favorite hobby etc.

2. The reason the message did not get out is because of a combination of those things you mention. I think Media bias was the biggest factor and one thing you did not mention is vote fraud. I think Vote fraud was a huge factor in the beginning at least and the media used the lack of votes to write Ron Paul off or confirm their bias “he doesn’t have a chance” to the public.

Had the media given Ron Paul fair coverage I think he could have won or at least been a huge contender.. In my experience few people who actually hear his message did not agree with him for the most part if not all. Had the media allowed his message to be heard I believe millions would have embraced it.

3. What can we do? Many of us are doing it. Rather then going to rallies and sign
waving etc. things we know from this campaign got little return, we are working to take back our local Republican parties. And we are making headway. This is the dirty work that few seem to want to do. Even some of the hard core supporters seem reluctant to do this and have all sorts of excuses to do everything but what we know is working after all the things we have tried during this campaign. Some continue to put their efforts into these things and I hear regularly on this board calls to continue to do them even though we know they do little to advance the cause. It may take longer but we have to focus on what we know works. I know if we had about 150 more people step up in Idaho we would be in charge right now.

Don’t get me wrong. I thing Rallies are ok on occasion like the Rally for the Republic however we have tried far to many of them and we don’t have the time and money considering how little return on investment they get. It seems some people are still hoping for that break through moment where the media gets it and gives us the exposure we deserve and enough people get on board and we all live happily ever after. It isn’t going to happen.

We are a threat to meal tickets of the most powerful people on the planet. There is no way they will hand us that victory. The only way we will do it is by taking control locally then state and then nationally and they will fight us every inch of the way.

Here is how we do it:

1. We get control of our local parties and take back our states.
2. We get local and state representatives into as many positions as we can including the governors office.
3. We then began exercising our state sovereignty and force the Federal government back to it constitutional bounds like many states have done with the Real ID. We can eliminate most or all of the Federal alphabet agencies that have no real jurisdiction in the states

This frees up people and the economy to start businesses and reduce taxes.

4. We can also return to hard money lessening the impact of the Federal Reserve fiat monetary system that is melting down our economy. We can start doing this now as individuals. Also we can do this as we gain control over our states by allowing competing currencies and encourage the use of gold and silver complying with the constitution. The legal tender laws have several outs; one is using US minted gold and silver coins. The other is; I don’t believe there is anything in the constitution forbidding states to allow competing currencies and again if the state will exercise it’s sovereignty it can prevent unconstitutional federal alphabet agencies from enforcing unconstitutional laws.

5. Focus on the making the state Self reliant so it is not dependant on federal monies which are used to blackmail the state into complying with unconstitutional federal laws and mandates. One area I think we need to do this in is in Alternative fuels. Contrary to popular belief Ethanol could make us independent very quickly just as it has Brazil and super charge the economy. It is not my intention to argue the point with those that would disagree suffice it to say that most of the negatives you have heard about ethanol are misinformation put out by it opponents. Of course Hydrogen is another area along with solar wind etc..

Other areas like in my homes state is the logging forest products industry. It has been devastated by unconstitutional feel good do nothing federal regulation and law. We could revitalize those industries. I am sure other states have similar or other areas.

Also we could take back lands that Federal agencies such as the BLM and Forest Service have unlawfully co-opted.

I am working on a proposal for Idaho to become self reliant and have one legislator on board so far.

All these things can serve to limit government freeing up its citizens to start businesses and prosper with minimal or no bureaucratic entanglements.

Feel free to add to this list.

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OK, I believe there probably was vote fraud. BUT, it couldn't have been that bad because a kind of public, honest poll existed in the form of bumper stickers. Those are fraud-proof and I never saw all that many.

I don't see a fall. I see a re-trenching, shifting, and rethinking.

I stumbled on Ron Paul in late Oct 2007. Got a spam titled "The IRS is afraid of Ron Paul". I Googled Ron Paul, and was intruiged by what I saw on YouTube. I hadn't been following the Presidential race at all, and had never really gotten involved in politics at all, and didn't really understand the conservative agenda. I spent Nov & Dec surfing the web, watching Ron Paul videos, exploring related topics, visiting the Daily Paul every day. January I started participating in Meetup events (sign waving, etc), then signed up as Precinct Captian. Then in March, organized delegates for the caucus. Worked as District Coordinator in April. Helped with organization for State Convention. I'm still in touch with the key coordinators.

The people I know are getting serious about making change for the long term. Running for Republican committeemen and committeewomen. Running for State Representatives. Working on the campaigns of fellow Ron Paul supporters. Leaning about how PACs work. Making friends (and enemies) in the Republican Party.

It was a totally laser-focused effort of like-minded people sharing a clear vision of an urgent short-term goal and taking individual initiative to acheive it: Win the presidency for Ron Paul. Now people's efforts are spreading out. There are differing opinions on what goal is best now. I hope Ron Paul will communicate a clear path for his supporters, such as to start working on Ron Paul 2012. Start lay the ground work now, and next time, we'll all be experienced campaigners.

Experience has shown us all, I think, that Ron Paul can't win in 2012 without enough supporters inside the Republican Party, in positions of influence. And without educational groundwork being laid too: What would an "honest money" system look like? How would it work? What would a Ron Paul world look like? Education on Constitutional logic, and better media content (eg BreakTheMatrix) is desperately needed.

Well, sort of.
I decided that it was a little too big and maybe a little too off topic to fit neatly into Michael's thread.

So I started my own thread, "The Virtual Conspiracy".

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/57079

Although it only addresses, "What to do" in a very general sense. The movement needs to come to grips with the "C" word and how we will deal with it.

In order to move beyond the Internet, we need to:

A) understand what we are up against.
B) not get caught up in tangents.
C) not allow "wedge" issues to divide and conquer us.

I don't see how we can do any of these things effectively without understanding the Conspiracy.

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Corporate media bias, yes. Americans just too stupid...it almost does seem like it...or...preoccupied with other "priorities". Jaded, trapped into "the system".

Regarding other priorities: Back in March of this year my wife and I took a little vacation to Arizona. At the Packer bar called Mable Murphy's in Scottsdale, I suggested that Brett Favre be Ron Paul's VP. Half jolking, of course.

Americans are so overly consumed with "stuff" and materialism. Including sports. Half a billion into Dodger Stadium supposedly to make it acceptable for the next fifty years, for example. Of recent times, how many more billions into other sports venues around the country? Yet our infrastructure, economy is crumbling. Business leaving or left for Mexico, China.

Regarding the internet, I think either you are connected via the net or not. If not, it's hard to pass info and passion from it to someone who doesn't really use it. And..should we really expect this? [The only reason I ever got hooked was because my wife got an old throw-away computer from work @ 2002.] For instance: Just a couple weeks ago, I visited my old barber of 16 years. He was giving a haircut to a Vietnam Marine. Both barber and his customer are probably in their sixties, neither use a computer. Yet, I would consider neither of them old in years. My barber, I've given all kinds of literature to...and all kinds of good philosophy I' ve learned off the Ron Paul campaign trail. In reading between his lines, he was never convinced on Ron Paul and still believes Iraq was the right thing to do, will vote McCain. The Vietnam Marine who apparently was spit upon in returning from that war said to me in July that "he never heard of Ron Paul". I went immediately out to my vehicle to get two of Ron Paul's writings from the Prez campaign: A Free Market in Gasoline(2005) and Big Government Responsible for High Gas Prices(2008). Plus some pro gun, Veterans slim jims and some literature(pink pro-life among others) I got from Iowa in December. Not sure if I convinced him or not. With Ron Paul suspending his campaign, it's hard.

This brings another problem: There are so many issues(and I've tried to keep up on ALL of them) one has to be a walking politician-encyclopedia to talk the good talk(the truth). Many are so preoccupied with their own "stuff", you can't even get your foot in the door with a political idea.

The problem with many on the internet and meetups is that they saw solution over night. Fact is it's always hard to be one of real change. It's even harder today for reasons I've aready stated. The establishment:(...:) Ron Paul has been Dr. No for over 30 years. I first knew of him from articles in The Spotlight in the 90's, but never really took the time to read it all. For one, I was buzy with my own small business(sold in Dec '06...gave me the time and $$ to get engaged in the issues, etc) Would have voted for him in '88, if I knew what I know now. It takes time for people to catch on. It also takes persistence on the part of all of us to relay what we've learned.

Some final thoughts: I've supported over the years Reagan, Pat Buchanan, Michael Peroutka, Ron Paul. Was not sad in 2000, when Jesse Ventura pulled out of the reform party. I'll be in the Target Center in the front row opposite the stage, but you won't see me applauding Ventura. Pro-choice, pro-homosexual. God is watching. The best video I've seen during the past year was one I got from the Des Moines RP office in December. "Republican Presidential Candidate Ron Paul and Pastor Chuck Baldwin, Pastor's Gathering & Forum. Clips from Ames in August'07 and Des Moines in October'07 But I will not vote Constitution Party unless Ron Paul is on the ballot(because of April 2006 compromising). Will not vote Barr since he was just one of the rest on October 10, 2002. I don't endorse Castle nor Barr's VP.

Ironically, I did not become a DP user until (?)June 13, 2008. Too buzy disseminating "the hard copy" in person or on the QT. Will continue to do so! NEVER quit!

Write-In Ron Paul Nov 4, 2008!

Thanks Michael for this important post; you've opened up a virtual think tank, and it's generating so many great ideas.

The problem stated by many is: how can we explain freedom to the majority who've failed to notice we've largely lost it; how does the IRS, the Fed, FISA, all the many instances of government encroachment affect each one of us; how does Big Government curtail our options and opportunites, and how does it threaten the pleasant lifestyles most have enjoyed in this country?

I'd like to see the Campaign for Liberty ask experts in relevant fields to develop a series of brief, clear, specific explanations that detail how government programs negatively impact ordinary Americans -- and how reducing or eliminating such programs could befefit the average person (providing footnotes, links, etc. for those interested.)

I think such data could be generated fairly quickly. It could be posted and downloaded by all of us who support the Campaign. We could print out the explanations and fold each into a single-topic brochure and have the material ready to give to those we meet, on topics of particular interest. We could pass them out in quantities. They could be printed on inexpensive recycled paper or on quality paper for a polished presentation. Each could contain links and ads for Ron Paul's books, and other books for further study. And anyone printing the material for distribution should be asked to not add anything to the Campaign version.

We supporteres could send the printed brochures to specific media people who seem open, local and national leaders, organizations; artists might develop videos,etc. It would be inexpensive enough that we could all participate and be more effective. And of course the explanations could be transmitted electronically.

In this or other ways suggested by others, we need to explain the issues clearly, show the personal consequences to the sleepy populace, and provide solutions. Otherwise, most will not be motivated to question the status quo and challenge the mainsteam paradigm.

I read someone at Takimag recently saying that *up to now* conservatives (he means basically libertarian ie REAL conservatives) have been submissive and eschewed any kind of activism. And that is why things have not gone our way.

Various 'bombs', signs, billboards, 'spamming' and calling radio shows. All this stuff works.

What will happen if we persist with the same kind of energy, in my opinion, this will slowly overcome the media blackout, even if it continues (which it may not):

Pushing RP’s name continually (billboards, signs, hats) and having tremendous persistence will *eventually* cause many many people to finally think, after maybe 1-3 years maybe 5 years, “So who the hell is Ron Paul?”. This is what happens with a non big brand product – they have to achieve blanket advertising for a long time to overcome the ‘first in’ brand advantage.

But I think most of it will have to be done 'out there', off-line. And people need to realize this is a long term project which I don't see us losing *if we keep it up*.

Remember the 'debate' response in Iowa? NONE of the other candidates had that kind of supporter presence!!! Why again was Paul excluded???

I guess these people are trying to say that Hannity was right???

THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
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I will be brief. I think that the Freedom Movement was largely an online movement. We could have grown were it not for corporate media bias portraying us in a bad light. Part of the reason we did not do well in Iowa and NH was the fact that Ron took his job seriously. Iowa and NH are retail states where you have to spend some time. We needed to do better advertising. We needed to define Ron before the media did. I think the best way to promote freedom is to take back the Republican Party and support freedom candidates starting at the local level. Support the Campaign for Liberty.

As to your suggestion of rise and fall. I do not think that we are falling. Traffic may very well be down at Daily Paul and the Forums. But to tell you the truth, I used to log on several times a day to see what was happening and to peruse all the new news stories about my favorite candidate. I don't have to read every day now, because I already know what is going to be said. To me some of the articles are redundant. Now I log on about once a week. The rest of the week I am supporting my candidates. I am talking to people about the freedom movement and I am off my computer.

The fact that we are up to 8101 tickets sold is fantastic. I never thought that we would be sold out the first day. We would have been if it was only about money, but each ticket sale represents automobile gas or air fare, hotel, and food plus the cost of a ticket. This is a substantial commitment and people do not want to buy a ticket unless they know they can be there.

Here are some statistics.

During the campaign, we only had 5597 people that donated over $1000. Many of these people donated $50 or $100 per week. They did not have the full amount when they donated. There were an additional 4797 people that contributed between $500 and $999. So to get 8101 so far is fantastic. There is no shame here! I have no doubt that we will fill the Target Center.

1. It’s true it was largely an online phenomenon. Because of an informed few and many more who were willing to go beyond the 5 minute sound bites of TV and radio and look a little deeper. Unfortunately the majority of Americans are not willing to do that even of the millions who have internet access there is only a small percentage that use it to vet out news and do more then send email and look at sports scores, play games or their favorite hobby etc.

2. The reason the message did not get out is because of a combination of those things you mention. I think Media bias was the biggest factor and one thing you did not mention is vote fraud. I think Vote fraud was a huge factor in the beginning at least and the media used the lack of votes to write Ron Paul off or confirm their bias “he doesn’t have a chance” to the public.

Had the media given Ron Paul fair coverage I think he could have won or at least been a huge contender.. In my experience few people who actually hear his message did not agree with him for the most part if not all. Had the media allowed his message to be heard I believe millions would have embraced it.

3. What can we do? Many of us are doing it. Rather then going to rallies and sign
waving etc. things we know from this campaign got little return, we are working to take back our local Republican parties. And we are making headway. This is the dirty work that few seem to want to do. Even some of the hard core supporters seem reluctant to do this and have all sorts of excuses to do everything but what we know is working after all the things we have tried during this campaign. Some continue to put their efforts into these things and I hear regularly on this board calls to continue to do them even though we know they do little to advance the cause. It may take longer but we have to focus on what we know works. I know if we had about 150 more people step up in Idaho we would be in charge right now.

Don’t get me wrong. I thing Rallies are ok on occasion like the Rally for the Republic however we have tried far to many of them and we don’t have the time and money considering how little return on investment they get. It seems some people are still hoping for that break through moment where the media gets it and gives us the exposure we deserve and enough people get on board and we all live happily ever after. It isn’t going to happen.

We are a threat to meal tickets of the most powerful people on the planet. There is no way they will hand us that victory. The only way we will do it is by taking control locally then state and then nationally and they will fight us every inch of the way.

Here is how we do it:

1. We get control of our local parties and take back our states.
2. We get local and state representatives into as many positions as we can including the governors office.
3. We then began exercising our state sovereignty and force the Federal government back to it constitutional bounds like many states have done with the Real ID. We can eliminate most or all of the Federal alphabet agencies that have no real jurisdiction in the states

This frees up people and the economy to start businesses and reduce taxes.

4. We can also return to hard money lessening the impact of the Federal Reserve fiat monetary system that is melting down our economy. We can start doing this now as individuals. Also we can do this as we gain control over our states by allowing competing currencies and encourage the use of gold and silver complying with the constitution. The legal tender laws have several outs; one is using US minted gold and silver coins. The other is; I don’t believe there is anything in the constitution forbidding states to allow competing currencies and again if the state will exercise it’s sovereignty it can prevent unconstitutional federal alphabet agencies from enforcing unconstitutional laws.

5. Focus on the making the state Self reliant so it is not dependant on federal monies which are used to blackmail the state into complying with unconstitutional federal laws and mandates. One area I think we need to do this in is in Alternative fuels. Contrary to popular belief Ethanol could make us independent very quickly just as it has Brazil and super charge the economy. It is not my intention to argue the point with those that would disagree suffice it to say that most of the negatives you have heard about ethanol are misinformation put out by it opponents. Of course Hydrogen is another area along with solar wind etc..

Other areas like in my homes state is the logging forest products industry. It has been devastated by unconstitutional feel good do nothing federal regulation and law. We could revitalize those industries. I am sure other states have similar or other areas.

Also we could take back lands that Federal agencies such as the BLM and Forest Service have unlawfully co-opted.

I am working on a proposal for Idaho to become self reliant and have one legislator on board so far.

All these things can serve to limit government freeing up its citizens to start businesses and prosper with minimal or no bureaucratic entanglements.

Feel free to add to this list.

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I love Ron Paul and want him to be my president. An idea can not be a president. A person has to be President. I want Ron Paul, with his ideas and priciples to be President. I want Ron Paul and his way of accomplishing things to be President. It is about the man not the message when the topic is fulfilling the job of President. There was some kind of disconnect on this point throughout the campaign. It was a campain of a message and Ron Paul should have been the loud and clear answer.

The groundswell, in my opinion, was based on people first and foremost, wanting Ron Paul to fullfill the upcoming vacancy of President. It was a short term hope but realistic enough to spur the movement on. As it became clear that the message was more important than the man, so to say, it killed the momentum for many of the original group of "activists" and now is recruiting for a different kind of activist. Fulfilling a vacant job, and re-educating the population are related but very different goals and I think they will attract different people.

I don't know if anyone else put this thought out there, I did not read through all the responses. Sorry if it's a dupe but that's what I think.

Keep going and pushing for truth no matter what. Thank you all for giving me hope back in my country!

1. Host Saturday Night Live with some self depricating humor.

2. Make some cameo appearances on pop culture television shows.

3. Get his name out there as much as possible.

You can not force people to exist, but you can encourage them to do so.

4. A Saturday A.M. cartoon with Dr. Paul.

Maybe something that could be dubbed the new Mr. Rogers.

WAHOR!!
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I am a news-junkie, and people watcher. I love watching reactions to events and proably should take a course on socieology (sp?).....why & how different societies react to the the 'same' situation. On the other hand, I have a friend with 4 children, who could care less about world or local events....and says she just needs to know whats on sale at the market, and when soccer practice starts. She feels powerless to have any affect on anything other than her families' immediate needs. I think many people are just over-loaded and just trying to 'survive', and fail to look beyond the day-to-day demands of their time. <-----There are more of these kind of citizens...than there are of my like-minded kin in the Campaign for Liberty. We're out-numbered.

A man of integrity, with moral character and judgement..... a true Patriot of his time, with the sprit of our forefathers.....He has an attitude of what "could I do for my country , not what my country could do for me".....This patient man who made a decision at 72 years old to lead this country back to it's roots , and to secure this great nation with liberty and justice for all....Wisdom in every word he speaks, passion that controls his every move, and fire that gleams from his eye's as he connects with every one he meets ...A humble man that take pride in his work who is happy to serve his country , and not seek to control it.....

It's a shame that the rest of America didn't truly get to know this man, it's a shame people over looked him as the media continue to hide him, .....This is man of greatness which doesn't come around to often, "but it may not be to late, maybe he has a chance"..."I believe he does", ("and heck") why not...We came this far so lets take it all the way..

(Thank you Michael for standing up with us)

"Today's decision are tomorrow's realities".

"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."

spacehabitats made a lot of sense to me (as did many others who have replied to Michael's excellent thread).

My sense is that the majority of Americans will not see the need for the Liberty Movement until life here becomes severely bad --- and I don't think they see that has occurred. Life here is still pretty good, they think. And after all, good and bad times are part of life --- things will get better, they think. But, when something big happens...then they'll begin to cry for a savior.

Some in the MSM already see the light.

This takes time. Even the Boston Tea Party was a reaction to many events that had occurred over time. And then it was another three years before the Declaration of Independence was written.

We are all like Rocky Balboa (or, we should be). In the last movie, Rocky was talking to his son. He said, "you, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep movin' forward. That's how winnin' is done!...but you've got to be willin' to take the hits and not pointin' fingers sayin' you ain't where you want to be because of him or her or anybody! Cowards do that --- and that ain't you! You're better than that! (http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/rockybalboa/index.html)
To view the clip, go the website above & click skip (after you listen to the Rocky Theme, of course!); click on "Clips"; follow instructions, then click on "Winning".

ISU_ringman1974

spacehabitats made a lot of sense to me (as did many others who have replied to Michael's excellent thread).

My sense is that the majority of Americans will not see the need for the Liberty Movement until life here becomes severely bad --- and I don't think they see that has occurred. Life here is still pretty good, they think. And after all, good and bad times are part of life --- things will get better, they think. But, when something big happens...then they'll begin to cry for a savior.

Some in the MSM already see the light.

This takes time. Even the Boston Tea Party was a reaction to many events that had occurred over time. And then it was another three years before the Declaration of Independence was written.

We are all like Rocky Balboa (or, we should be). In the last movie, Rocky was talking to his son. He said, "you, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep movin' forward. That's how winnin' is done!...but you've got to be willin' to take the hits and not pointin' fingers sayin' you ain't where you want to be because of him or her or anybody! Cowards do that --- and that ain't you! You're better than that! (http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/rockybalboa/index.html)
To view the clip, go the website above & click skip (after you listen to the Rocky Theme, of course!); click on "Clips"; follow instructions, then click on "Winning".

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The minority who vote are doing it for their own personal interest and those who are naive and retarded will vote for whoever is cool at the time (Obama, Hilary maybe..?).
Some of the hard working people in this country were squeezed so hard already they started paying attention to the politics and probably voted for our president (Ron Paul that is). The majority who still don't care about getting into politics still have something to eat and somewhere to sleep.