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What 3rd party candidate do you agree with most on their positions.
Submitted by SGP on Wed, 08/06/2008 - 18:24
There is a poll up so now lets vote and see where the 3rd party candidates stand. I would also like to see people put their pick here. » |
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Barr
Ralph Nader = Social-democrat (socially liberal; fiscally left-wing)
Bob Barr = Libertarian (socially liberal; fiscally right-wing)
Chuck Baldwin = Paleo-conservative (socially conservative; fiscally right-wing)
Since I'm a libertarian, I chose Barr. Although he has changed position on a number of issues, I have to judge him on his current positions. That doesn't mean I'm a Barr supporter, however.
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Diane Beal Templin for President
Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin are compromisers. Bob Barr is because he believes that abortion should be legal in cases of rape and incest and Chuck Baldwin is because his arm had to be twisted to vote for the disaffiliation of the Nevada Independent Party from the Constitution. Before that, he failed to bring the issue up at the National Committee Meeting when he had promised to. I have also heard that Barr actually paid for an abortion.
Both Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin are cozy with neoconfederates.
http://agoodchoice.blogspot.com/2008/03/republicrat-alternat...
http://totalactionradio.com/cj08/?p=7
Diane Beall Templin is a reasonable alternative with no hypocrisy or neoconfederate leanings.
http://www.theamericanparty.org/electtemplinandmoorein20041/
Matthew Miller
It seems
like a big stretch to say Barr and Baldwin are cosy with neoconfederates. Barr did not knew about CCC and was invited to speak there years ago about the Clinton impeachment case and when he found out what they are, he immediately left after his speech. Charles Jay is hardly the person you can quote if you knew about the issues. He would be strongly pro-choice, pro-prostitution etc. BTW. About abortion in exceptions there is difference of opinion, especially between the Catholic church and some in the Protestant churches. With Barr's ex-wife, I think it was about sickness, she had cancer or something like that and was afraid she might die. In that case, I would allow for an exception, as one deals with the life of the mother.
In general: in politics you need to compromise on non-essential principles at times...
The American Party is
The American Party is essentially like the Constitution Party. They're both theocratic; I could never support either one.
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I support Ron Paul and only
I support Ron Paul and only Ron Paul.
If he's not in it, then I'm not voting.
I'd vote Libertarian if they were still really Libertarians.
However, your vote is wasted on all of them anyway.
They dont get enough votes, and never will.
And Diebold decides for us anyway.
And for anyone that says if you dont vote then you cant bitch about the outcome.
I say, the hell I cant.
Im an American and I can do whatever I wish.
Stick that in yer pipe and smoke it
couldn't have said that better
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Mary Ruwart
would be my choice. I knew very little of her before the libertarian national convention, but after hearing her speak [both at the podium and otherwise] I was won over instantly. She's actually a big RP supporter and a true libertarian.
The problem is Mary lost the
The problem is Mary lost the nomination to Bob Barr and the (L) has now started to split because of the nomination of Barr. I also Like Mary very much and we interviewed her on revolution broadcasting as well as every other (L) candidate 2 weeks prior to the convention in CO.
I will answer some more comments a little later tonight.
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Paris Hilton
She could probably outdebate the four ne'er-do-wells I list below. Here's her campaign video. Enjoy!
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d
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Ron Paul isnt an option. I
Ron Paul isnt an option. I will not vote for a flip-flopping man or a theocrat.
And if Ventura runs third party, I wont vote for him either.
Barr is also not a
Barr is also not a flip-flopping man. Do you know the difference between flip-flopping in order to get more votes and a genuine change of view in the light of better insight? Baldwin is also not a theocrat at all. He does advocate a return to the constitution and not a change in the constitution a la Huckabee. Or do you view the constitution as being a theocratic document?
Interesting that both Barr and Baldwin will speak at at Denver during the DNC see http://www.rightmarch.com /pac/ They also propose Dr. Paul as VP and reject Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani etc. as RINO's.
Ron Paul isn't an option
Ron Paul isn't an option because he is not 3rd party.
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It's actually hard to
It's actually hard to decide, because on the Constitution Party side, we have an unappealing platform but a good candidate...and on the Libertarian side, we have a good platform with an unappealing candidate.
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PROVE IT
"Our founding fathers certainly took stronger Christians positions than Baldwin is and look at the respect of rights and liberties the people had back then."
Prove it. The Enlightenment thinkers were atheists, who fought against the Divine-Right of Kings. Jefferson and the founders took their ideas from the Enlightenment, not from their bibles. Read a book.
double post
double post
Even if that statement is
Even if that statement is true, there were slaves back then. Some rights. The honest truth is that this country has never been truly free.
Some entlightment thinkers
Some entlightment thinkers were atheists, but most definitely not all. There were several christians, although they would not be regarded as "orthodox christians". Kant and Hegel were still a Protestant Christians, Pascal and Descartes were deeply religious men. Several, not all founding fathers were christians. The fact is there were christians, atheists, deists, (Mormons?) etc. who struggled together and achieved consensus. Jefferson was NOT an atheist! He believed himself to be a Christian and also referred to the Bible. Take a listen to these important and substantial video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWDoXMeDJvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfcbT1AmzPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqm1Q3rgs20
The guy who has made these videos is also a supporter of Dr. Paul and Barr:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHGkt8UF7YM
Ever heard of Pascal's choice?
Pascal was certainly NOT a deeply religious man. His reasoning for his religion was thus:
If I choose to not be Christian and am right, nothing happens when I die, however if I am wrong I go to hell. If I choose to be a Christian, and am wrong nothing happens, however, if I am right, I avoid hell.
Hence, mathematically speaking, given those variables, he had only one viable option, be Christian.
There are variables that I don't believe he took into account, but that is a different discussion.
The point is, if THAT is "deeply religious" then I misunderstand the definition of "deeply religious".
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
Nice analysis
Also, I Pascal just randomly chose the Christian god in his wager. Why didn't he take the Hindu god?
It had to do with his background and upbringing...
Not to mention, few religions sell hell and damnation better than Christianity... :) (No offense to Christians in general)...
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
Jefferson was a Christian?
"I have recently been examining all known superstitions of the world. I find in our particular superstition, Christianity, not one redeeming feature, they are all alike founded on fable and mythology."
-Thomas Jefferson
Dude
Who gives a shit whether someone is a Christian, diest, athiest, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever, so long as they are for liberty and limited government?
I am down with Barr and Baldwin, especially over Obambya and McSame.
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As long as
He's not a mason. Those guys eat babies and worship chickens with goat balls.
For those who don't get it. That my friends is called sarcasm.
Some atheists are totally
Some atheists are totally unwilling to extend to any trust toward Baldwin because he's a Christian and a preacher. I can understand their consternation with the CP platform, but labeling Baldwin a 'theocrat' is just narrow-minded prejudice.
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Jefferson
Jefferson even tried to rewrite the New Testament without the divinity of Jesus. Great study guide for Jews, heresy for Christians.
That's the "Jefferson Bible"
I posted a link to it here a while back. (look it up ;-)
Basically he cut out all the "miracles" and "mumbo-jumbo".
ONE of them was confirmed as
ONE of them was confirmed as an atheist--Thomas Paine. 98% of the Founders were Deists and Christians (including Jefferson), not atheists.
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Jefferson would most certainly
be an atheist if he were alive today. He probably would have seen through his deistic beliefs.
And would have become
a Christian.