Stagflation and the Economy
Once upon a time, Keynesian economists believed that there was a trade off between inflation and unemployment. "Too much" employment, they believed, caused high inflation. If the economy began to "overheat," the Fed could cause a recession by restricting the flow of credit to the economy, thereby slowing economic activity and putting a damper on inflation. William McChesney Martin, Jr, Fed Chairman from 1951 - 1970, believed that the Fed's job was "to take away the punch bowl just as the party gets going." At least that was the theory.
After Martin left his post, the Fed was confounded by an entirely new phenomenon in the 1970's: stagflation, a combination of economic stagnation, high inflation, and high unemployment. No one believed such a thing could happen until it did, because it wasn't in their economic models.
It looks like we're headed towards stagflation once again, in certain parts of the economy. Check out this article from the Telegraph UK: Airlines to cut 60m seats for Christmas.
Airlines are set to make the reduction, the equivalent of one in every 14 seats, in response to high oil prices and the global credit crisis, according to the Official Airline Guide (OAG). Reduced availability is almost certain to force up ticket prices.
In all there will be 59.7m fewer tickets available compared to October-December last year. Routes will be scrapped at 275 airports around the world and 3,500 fewer planes will be needed, according to the OAG.
While Europe will suffer the loss of 5.5m seats, America will be worst hit, with a reduction of about 20m.
The slow economy has hit the airline industry hard. They were already overbuilt due to artificially cheap credit supplied by the Fed, as I explained here. When the hammer of a slowing economy fell, they needed to take drastic measures to survive. Cutting seats and routes to force up prices is once such measure. (Charging for water, pillows and blankets is another)
even though we have a stagnant economy, the cost of flying will go up. This is the paradox of the economy that many people will be confounded by - prices won't behave like they believe they are supposed to based on the economic models in their heads. Airline prices are not going up only and directly because of high fuel prices. It is a little more complicated than that. It has to do with Fed policy that encouraged overinvestment in the first place, and the huge cutback in supply of seats. It is important to remember that things are not always as they appear at first blush.
In the coming, difficult economic environment, different industries will be affected differently. Prices in some industries will go up, in others they'll go down. Some industries will disappear altogether. For example, Netflix and video on demand are likely to eliminate the concept of a video rental shop.
Word to the wise: there is no such thing as "The Economy." There are multiple sectors that make up the economy, but each will be affected differently.





















Money
Anyone posting on this topic should read
http://mises.org/rothbard/rothmoney.pdf
Ya can`t eat it
I have been visiting this site at least a year.I rarely post anything.There used to be discussions about competing currencies and how they would work.We used to have great arguments for asset backed currencies,should we pick one,or have multiple assets behind multiple currency.
I believe our dollar has been on the OIL standard since the time we left the gold standard.Did the dollar Not become the only currency accepted for Saudi oil at the same time we left the gold standard?
Why does anyone believe that EVERY asset that is traded is equally valuable?
This argument over hyperinflation or deflation is the same as republicrat or demipublican....gold and silver may get more appreciation than say stocks in GE ....but you can`t eat it.
it all depends on how you measure wealth....
in closing.....the rest of the world uses fiat money too....our dollar might be losing value compared to hard assets....but so is every other paper money...our $ is not competimg against gold , it is competing against other worthless paper in an auction for real wealth
walter whitt
I always hear that same line
I always hear that same line about gold and silver... "but you can't eat it"!
no but i know farmers who will feed you if you want to trade them gold for there food! it comes down to the division of labor.. not everyone can farm. not everyone can be an auto mechanic. not everyone can be a doctor.. there has to be a median of exchange for services or goods.. the farmer may not need a doctors services, but the doctor needs his food. the farmer takes the gold/silver... same with the automechanic . the dollar has served as that medum of exchange.. but as it devalues, people won't accept it.. this is what your seeing in the middle east.. they are trying to get away from accepting dollars because the fed and fed government has ruined the dollar! they have printed and flooded the world with the dollar .inflation is up all over the world because of our dollars sent overseas to pay for the worlds goods ( think walmart)
.. soon they will not want them because as more dollars are printed the dollar buys less.. and its not only the US currency.. the Chinese, japanes, and russians are trying to keep pace to keep the currencies competetive... soon people will lose faith in the euro/ruble/yaun etc...
Gold has been money since the beginning of time and will be till the end of time! the reason why governments and bankers hate it is because they can not mass produce it! they can not control it! please think about this!
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Thanks for your analysis, Michael
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You say ...
there is no such thing as "The Economy." There are multiple sectors that make up the economy, but each will be affected differently.
There is no question about that. Let us start speculating so that our relative wealth will increase.
With wealth we gain speech.
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Bull market in government
I hate to say it, but I think that is what we'll see.
As the deflationary collapse destroys trillions in assets, the government will create it like crazy to try to make up the difference. I don't think it will be inflationary, as credit will be destroyed faster than the government can replace it.
But who will take the loans? Individuals want to save. Companies have to cut back. That means - you guessed it - a huge expansion in government and government programs. They'll be the only ones willing to borrow. Obama will be the new FDR.
The only question is, will there be willing lenders? In other words, will there be parties big enough to buy the massive quantities of Treasury securities that the government will bring to auction.
If the answer is yes, then the current system will continue limping along, and rotting away in a "muddle through" economy for years, if not decades.
If the answer is no, then our whole current system collapses is catharsis, and we will be forced to build something new from the ground up, or have it imposed upon us from the top down, i.e. the NWO.
Our dollar is no longer backed by gold. Do you know what it is backed by?
Answer: THE FULL TAXING POWER OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. That is you and me, friend.
In a fascist/socialist world, tax rates can go to 100%! Thought about in this way, the dollar should remain a strong, viable currency on the international market.
As they say, fascism is socialism with shareholders.
Such gloom and doom.
Since the beginning of civilization we have been on a slow trend towards freedom.
The government eventually will be forced to liquidate.
I think we see things going in opposite directions.
The industrialists, the true industrialists will rule the world, through innovation that will bring about prosperity.
Until history is doomed to repeat itself that is.
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It seems to me that the most
It seems to me that the most solid sectors will be the ones that produce goods that can be easily exported and bought with foreign currency. Products or materials that are sought everywhere- industrial materials, food (?), certain metals, possibly even tourism in the US as things become cheaper for foreigners?
"The sinews of war are infinite money" ~ Cicero
"The sinews of war are infinite money" ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero
I don't think I agree with that, but let me think for a moment.
I guess I am trying to pinpoint the underlying principle of what will excel in an environment where governments can no longer afford to invest its resources.
At some point our government will unload a lot of land to help pay for its debt. So I would say that companies in positions to buy and exploit this land would be a play.
I will add more as I think about it.
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as Ron Paul said........
as Ron Paul said........ stagflation which evolves into a inflationary depression! this inflationary depression will make the 30's look like a superbowl party!
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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SIERRAHPBT
Inflationary recession is stagflation, by definition a depression is a prolonged protracted recession. Therefore an inflationary depression would be a prolonged protracted period of stagflation.
What does that mean? It means that inflation will not only make prices for everything rise faster and faster, which is the inflation part, the depression means that people won’t buy or sell anything. They won’t be able to. Unemployment will be at an all time high putting downside pressure on wages. And the country would experience negative growth.
SIERRAHPBT, as usual, you put words into people's mouths to suit your own view. Dr. Paul said, " We are in a recession that is increasing looking like a period if stagflation, and IF WE ARE NOT CAREFUL, COULD become an inflationary depression that COULD SPREAD worldwide.
To put that into perspective our longest recessions are about 2 years.
In order for this recession to be considered a depression it would have to sustain another 2 years or longer. So this puts us out to 2012 or later before we can even validate an inflationary depression. So whats your point? Maybe you should stick to guessing ages and weight at the
State Fair. Dr. Paul is issuing a warning not a prediction Bozo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyYyNaJxjLE
I am not sure if an inflationary depression is even possible ...
today.
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lol well Ron Paul thinks
lol well Ron Paul thinks so.... so what deos he know that you don't? what part of the puzzle are you missing?
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