So how many of you are still wary of Muslims?
Reading a few posts on the forum recently- I still see people stating things like "Barack Obama is a secret muslim!" - The problem with this is that it means that even people who I thought were a bit more intellectual since they were supporitng Ron Paul- still think
"Muslim = bad"- or that all Muslims are somehow connected to each other in some type of hive mind(Sentences like "The Muslims are planning this" or "He's going to side with the Muslims!").
If you feel like you must quote a verse from the Quran in order to "prove" that Islam is obviously evil and designed for mass murder- I'll ask you to please refrain from that because I can guarantee you have no idea what you're talking about and do not know how to read anything in context. But if you feel like sharing how your opinions regarding Muslims changed over time(perhaps after being introduced to RP?)- or what we can do to make sure more people are rid of collectivist type thought and hatred and move more towards the idea of individual liberty- then please feel free!




















Please,
in the future, add links to the examples you are talking about or be specific, and pull direct quotes from statements put on DP.
I have not seen examples of what you are talking about here on DP, so it might be just your own opinion and not necessarily correct, unless you show examples to people, who can look at the posts for themselves and agree with your position or not.
Not afraid
of Muslims.But I dislike liars and people who hide who they really are and if you are talking about the great exhaulted Obama I don't trust him,I dislike him and I don't have to accept him or welcome him.
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Minneapolis Somalis
Minneapolis has a large and fast growing Somali population. I sometimes walk past a large high rise low income housing project full of Somalis. I do not worry about crime in their neighborhood. Not from them anyway. My son, a liberal who voted with the Somali's for Kieth Ellison, our nation's only Muslim congressman, made the offhand comment that Somalis mix with the rest of the population like oil mixes with water.
Shortly after 9-11 I became a Born Again...
And I admit, much of my new found faith turned into islam bashing. And even though I knew 9-11 was an inside job, I joined the navy and I kinda convinced myself that GWB must have knew something that the rest of us didnt... and that is why he waged war against the muslems. Now I understand that given all the historical facts of US involvement in that region (base in saudi, overthrow of the shah, supporting saddam before going against him, creating al queda to fight the russians ect ect) I began to realize that radical islam only a symptom... not the disease. The disease is the NWO.
Now im to the point where i dont want an empire... i just want my country. I mean 1 million dead iraqis over demonstratably false information... my God in Heaven... leave these people be.
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I have never been afraid
I have never been afraid of Muslims. Personally, it is not in my nature to judge a whole, by its parts. I have a nice family who moved across the street from me and most of neighborhood freaked. They would talk about them or they had their house paintballed. It was a shame the first few years, but people have thankfully come to accept them. They stay to themselves. They wave hi and bye. I would not be outwardly thrilled with my neighbors after what they encountered. Their oldest daughter graduated from my school and she was always very pleasant to me and my family. I see how they stick together as a family and I admire that a lot.
We have a ton of Albanian students in my school who are all Muslim. It was just a matter of getting used to a new culture or ideals. They are still into arranged marriages, as well as the daughter being prepared as a wife and the son is very important to the family. As a woman I I find it challenging to work with them based onn my experiences and values. Most of them look European, so without asking you would not know their religion, yet they believe the same as others from the Middle East.
Life is about find ways to work together and to see the person/spirit of each individual. We are all doing the best we can with what we know how. Individual I mean not as a collective- just because I think or know something and hold it to be my truth- it may not be anothers.
I like questions like this that hold ourselves accountable and make us reach insideto see what our true value individually are.
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Nicole
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Namaste'
Nicole
"Truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accept as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer
I was never wary of muslims
I'm wary of Zionists
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I don't like zionists either,
so we finally found something that we agree on, Oruval. I may have to cross you off my list of complete idiots - or at least cross out the word "complete."
As for Muslims, there are quite a few in Arizona where I live and I've never had any problem with any of them. A friend of mine (he calls me "Cousin Victor") is from Iran. He came to America when the religious fundamentalists took over in the 1970's and has become a rich man here.
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I have never been wary of muslims, even in the days,
immediately following 911. 911 was caused by 19 disgruntled maniacs.
I have researched 911 for many years, and can only say a couple of things with conviction.
First - the government knew it was going to happen.
Second - certain people knew exactly when is was going to happen.
Third - the government allowed it to happen.
Most of the moslems that hate the U.S. have had family members or close friends killed by the U.S.
If someone killed my family, I would dedicate my life to seek revenge, even though it goes against what Jesus would do.
And futhermore, the more religious people are, the more likely it is that they will kill people of other faiths, this goes for any religion.
You can take any religious book, Bible, Koran, Torah, etc. and find elements of good or evil. You can choose to follow whatever elements you wish. You can justify your actions, with "good" parts or the "bad" parts of the books. Basically, any argument can be justified by a part of the religious writings.
So, what we have here is "blowback", when people's family's are killed, they can justify their retribution with the "eye for an eye" part of the book.
I don't personally know any moslims that have had family members killed by errant U.S. policy, but they exist, and many will do what they can in the name of their loved ones.
We have got to stop looking at people as groups, and start identifying them as individuals. (I think someone famous said that).
I welcome peaceful people of all religions into the fight for freedom. It is the diversity of our culture that makes us great.
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The basis for all religions
The basis for all religions has been to love their god and to love one another. I believe relgions came about the same way the color of people's skin can to be- basically closer you are to the sun, your skin built up a natural tolerance to it. When religions were formed and even back to the days of polytheism, if you were in need of rain and you prayed for rain- you might believein the rain god or goddess. People all hold their own truths from their own experiences. I am not religious but spiritual because I could not stand the man-made laws, yet I do not judge other for their beliefs.
Namaste'
Nicole
"Truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accept as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer
Namaste'
Nicole
"Truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accept as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer
No, I'm more concerned about DPers who tell another to "STFU"
for asking another DPer a question. Don't "rock the boat".
Very 1930s Germany.
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That is a bit of a loaded question ...
I was never wary of muslims so how could I "still" be wary of them.
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Not afraid of Muslims.
But you have to admit that Obama/Biden sounds an awful lot like Osama Bin Laden.
Got to admit it's very similar
and if you add up the letters it is 666!
So even though the smartest thing Glenn Beck ever said was that Huckabee was Satan, Obama is, after all, the New Messiah!)
Who's afraid of the Big Bad Messiah Liah?
So what? What if Ron Paul's
So what? What if Ron Paul's name was literally Osama bin Laden or Adolph Hitler, but he was still the exact same man? Would you dismiss him based on his name?
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I really do not know any
I really do not know any Muslims here in the US but I have traveled to Jordan, Morocco, Zanzibar, and Israel. There were both things I appreciated and disliked about these communities as with all others.
The best thngs I encountered were the incredible hospitality and friendliness. I can not think of a more helpful, happy, genuine, live-in-the moment group of people that I have met.
There is a constant gratefullness of Allah type of feeling everywhere. Not in a sense of "my God is better than your God" type of way, but in a "We are all the same" type of way. I guess when you are reminded at least 5 times a day of the Creator it is easy to stay focused.
The dislikeness of being unique was facsinating. In Morocco everyone wears a jelaba, men and women alike, which seems to cover up superficial disturbances and makes you focus more on who people are instead of what they look like, kinda like the Internet.
I loved the ever presence of the elderly. Something that the American culture has gotten rid of. Everyone takes care of their family as in most parts of the World besides here. It is nice to see all of the old and wise hanging around.
And the exceptance of outsiders was quite amazing, especially in Zanzibar. I was there during Ramadan, hanging with people fasting who never drank but was is no way ridiculed about having a drink. I can not say that I felt as comfortable, from nondrinking folks, as I did there.
The one big and bad thing is the nonexistence of women on the streets or even that I even met there. Especially in the non-westernized places. It is eery. In some small towns you may see hundreds of men on the streets and not a single women. Ouch.
Israel is a different story. I have to say that I never traveled to a place with such uptight and sad people. There were only 1 and 10 drivers that were women. They may tout there liberal western ways but have a long way to go. And the poor, poor, Arabs. I was completely appalled at the treatment of the Arabs there. After visiting Israel I have always said "If I was a Palestinian I would be a terrorist too." What a sad situation.
Although I have read a little of the Koran and was not too keen on the fact that Mohamad used force to establish his views, I still have a great deal of respect and admiration for the Islamic people I have met. In my travels I came to appreciate the Muslims and there religion.
Here are the 5 pillars of Islam which I noticed are widely practiced.
Five Pillars of Islam:
1. The Shahadah - "I testify that there is no god but Allah, and I testify that Muhammad is a messenger of Allah"
2. Salat - The second pillar of Islam is Salat, the requirement to pray five times a day at fixed times.
3. Zakat - The third pillar is the practice of charitable giving by Muslims based on accumulated wealth, and is obligatory for all who are able to do so. It is considered to be a personal responsibility for Muslims to ease economic hardship for others and eliminate inequality.
4. Sawm - Is fasting. Three types of fasting (Sawm) are recognized by the Qur'an: Ritual fasting, fasting as compensation or repentance, and ascetic fasting.
5. The Hajj is a pilgrimage that occurs during the Islamic month of Dhu al-Hijjah to the holy city of Mecca, and derives from an ancient Arab practice. Every able-bodied Muslim is obliged to make the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lifetime if they can afford it.
muslims
Im no more wary of muslims than anyone else. I dont buy into the idea that somehow they ALL want to blow us up. Its a smaller segment of them who are embittered by the results of this awful us/israeli policy in the middle east.
If we offered them peace and justice we'd get the same in return.
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Overall
My personal experiences with Muslims have been negative. I strive to evaluate them on an individual basis, but it's sometimes difficult for me to set aside what I observed while I was involved with the local Muslim community. They're raised in cultures that don't value honesty.
Im about the same
Ive had the fortune of knowing more than a few Muslims on a casual aquaintence basis. My experiences were just as positive/negative as anyone else depending on the individual. Im ashamed to admit that in the weeks following 9/11- when it seemed that as a community they were doing little to decry the attacks - i became a little leery and paranoid. (sadly much like the German citizens probably felt about the Jews after their govt's propaganda campaign). I wondered if deep inside these people was kept a hidden, secret joy over the sucker-punch the Islamo-facists had apparently landed on us that they not dare share in mixed company. Within a month of seeing scattered reports of racial profiling and hate attacks on these regular people I began to equate the Islamo facists as the Muslim version of mainstream Christian's perversion in the "God Hates F*gs" church. By 10/11 I was back to where I was on 9/10. Today I see that we were mostly lied to and manipulated about Muslims. There's just plenty of reasons to hate people on an individual basis- the guy up the road from me that buys butter at Safeway and sells it at 3 am for a 400% mark-up is an a-hole...but not because he's a Muslim.
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A couple years ago
I knew a preschool teacher who came to America from Egypt. She was a coptic christian and her family had been persecuted by Muslims for years. She came to this country and her husband tried to start a christian grocery store near Philadelphia and the local Muslims intimidated him to stop being christian, take down his image of Jesus and close the store. He did close his store because the neighborhood had turned mostly muslim. The preschool teacher told me she asked a black muslim woman why she was muslim and the black muslim said "because they pay me a few hundred dollars a month".
I live next to a Muslim, who has had women relatives visit his home and one day I was going over to talk to him, but only saw this woman in a burka on the front porch. So, I was going to ask her where he was and his wife (who's white) rushes outside and says I can't talk to the woman in the burka.
What we got here is a bunch of different people who think they're part of the whole group, but are really a sect that hates most other people. Whatever the religion, or group people say they belong to doesn't really matter-just like going to church doesn't mean you're christian. I don't exactly know who's been compromised by wrong values, but fundamentalist Islam is a known CIA operation.
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Okay...And Christians dont
Okay...And Christians dont control what happens around them? Hell, a bar wasnt allowed to open in my town because the goddamn church with 12 attendees didnt want them there.
Organized religion is the antithesis of personal freedom.
A friend of mine says his
A friend of mine says his hometown is prevented from building anything taller than the local church steeples, by Christians who control the town council.
Talk about arbitrary. Blocking construction, growth, jobs, etc., just because it might insult Jesus if his phallic symbols aren't the most glorious things in town.
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O sower of division
What food poisons trolls such as yourself?
I never said muslims were bad. Read my last paragraph-it's all about individuals and the groups are being played against each other.
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I'm much more wary
of those who would convince me to be wary of Muslims.
I have the privilege of working with a few dozen real nice......
.......people who happen to be Muslim from different parts of the world. Also, when I was a prison guard the Islamic religion was growing very quickly. Most Muslim people seem very kind and are very hard working and usually very polite. For a class I went to an Islamic religious service and was made welcome and allowed to participate. As a Freemason, many of my Brothers are Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Christian and Buddhist. Again, we are all Brothers. Muslims are 100% right about one thing, Allah Akbar! (God is Great!)
"As a
"As a Freemason"
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To Phoobar: Oh shut the
Hell up.
But my President
and VP says they are coming after us....and if we don't take care of them on their own land, they will come get us over here. That is scary.
Imagine them hiding in the Home Depot parking lot trying to blow up your car? This scares me....
/100% sarcasm
I am still waiting for the Commies to start the Vietnam War.....
......in our streets. It is so sad that most of our fellow Americans are falling for the same old nonsense. Now everyone is nostalgic for the Cold War and want to bring that back.
The Cold War
is being brought back to you by the makers of "Peace and democracy in Iraq", stay tuned. :O)