America in a State of Irreversible Collapse

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There was a time in this country when those who advocated a Fiat Monetary Standard were considered certifiable crackpots, monetary quacks and dangerous interventionists set on domination of both the political and economic processes in this country, the roles have been reversed and those who advocate sound money are assigned such epitaphs of derision. Fortunately, that will change and at this point in time, change rather rapidly as the true nature and inherent problems of fiat money become evident to the people themselves.

At one time, Classical Liberalism promoted the ideals found within the principles of a sound monetary unit that not only provided stability economically, but also provided for the spread of real prosperity and liberty. The cornerstone of Classical Liberalism was private property rights and the cornerstone of all private property rights was, and is sound money, money that is actual real property, solely owned by the individual who labored either by the sweat of his brow or the sharpness of his creative mind. Such money was not owned or controlled in any significant way by government except in trust through the regulation and verification of the fineness of coinage in purity, weight and measure. Otherwise, money was the property of the individual, or legal corporation, just as any other property of which legal title may be held.

Along with the ideal of private property rights, Classical Liberalism, which could just as easily be called Jeffersonian Liberalism, promoted a confidence in the market economy, as free as possible from all interventions, especially from the government. They held, and still hold that private property rights, in all aspects, provides for the best means of production and distribution of prosperity within society with a system of economic organization organic in both concept and operation. It was, and is, the best system to secure the broadest means of prosperity and individual protection within a society for it assigns the individual consumer the power to choose which producers provide the best quality at the lowest possible price for the consumer's needs and desires. The principles of sound money and free, unencumbered markets were just some of the foundation stones that help create this wonderful and I might add, successful experiment in the broadest spectrum of individual freedom and liberty the world had experienced: These united States of America under an mutually agreed Constitutional Compact between the people and their government.

The Founders of our country realized that the main challenge facing such a liberal system of government and society was how to control the only real danger that would ever face the country, the government itself. The goal of the Founders was to institute a government so cumbersome, so divided in function and authority that all power would be distributed between the general government and the independent State Republics; the best description could be called a Republic of Republics, functioning in a cooperative compact. Then, of course, they implemented further divisions within the general government itself, once again dividing function and authority to ensure that power could not easily be concentrated or consolidated.

In essence, the general federal government was simply a reflection of the will of the people through the agency of their respective State Republics. So, the main problem, in the minds of the Founders, was how to prevent those who are entrusted to govern by consent from becoming despots, endangering and enslaving the citizenry in their stewardship. The layers of defense for individual liberty was obviously the primary goal in the institution of our system of governments and the focus of each layer of defense was the broadest application of individual freedom and liberty possible within such a system. What an absolute shame that we have allowed ourselves and our country to devolve far from such a very workable, very efficient ideal.

Today, there are few who seem to realize or understand that within all the defenses for individual freedom and liberty laid out by the Founders, was the principle of sound money. It is absolutely impossible to understand the full meaning and import of sound money without understanding that one of the primary purposes of sound money is the protection of individual freedoms and liberty, private property rights, as well as a protection against government intrusion. Sound money is politically and ideologically in the same strata as our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, and it is just as important to our freedom and liberty. It was, and should be considered, the most essential restraint upon arbitrary government expansion and the potential for unbridled consolidation of power.

The principle of Sound money has a dual purpose, one positive, one negative; in the positive aspect it provided for the greatest degree of individual freedom and liberty while providing for the broadest spectrum of free market choices. On the negative side, its aspect was one of governmental restraint, an abutment of reckless expansion, potentially dangerous debt aggregation and of course eventual despotism. In such a system, only actual coinage was to be considered loose legal-tender, all tokens, scripts and types of "paper-money" were to only represent the real money and only served as fiduciary mediums, which upon demand of the holder, were completely redeemable in lawful real money. "Real money", it definitely has a wonderful ring to it, doesn't it?

I wonder how many in our government, or in the Federal Reserve for that matter, finds the term "Fiat Money" as oxymoronic as I do? Money, by definition, is a store of value; fiat, by definition is simply a decree without intrinsic value. Fiat money is an impostor, giving the impression of value without retaining a store of value as a medium of exchange. With the dedicated assistance of the Federal Reserve, this country is in now in a state of irreversible collapse, technically bankrupt for several years, it will absolutely be unable to climb out of the horrible pit these criminals, both in the Federal Reserve and the government, have share in taking this country to the precipice of disaster and they are still pushing.

"... the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation." –Ben Bernanke 2002

Today, we are so far-removed from the concepts of sound money that it is totally foreign to our understanding; we have been convinced that the only monetary system that is acceptable or applicable is the one we current have imposed upon us and that is the fiat monetary system. Sound money is an alien concept, so much so that we don't realize just what we are missing, it doesn't enter our minds, for the most part we are totally unaware of the benefits of a sound monetary system. Of course, a fiat monetary system requires ignorance, equalized with confidence, in the general population to function properly, without widespread ignorance or confidence, the system fails, as we will see.

The fiat system not only relies upon widespread ignorance and misplaced confidence, but it also relies heavily upon government intervention and regulation. A sound money system, on the other hand, doesn't rely upon such numerous variables in order to function; actually it is extremely simply and straightforward in both functionality and application. A sound money system can easily operate independently of all government policies and the pressures of political intrigues, including very divisive party politics. Such a system also helps to prevent government officials, and representative assemblies, from using various tricks to elude their budgetary and fiscal responsibilities to the people and the country.

Since the rather subversive introduction of the fiat monetary system in this country, there has been little room for the consideration of a sound monetary system. The proponents of the fiat system have for the most part, effectively exiled it from economics and serious monetary studies for good reason, for it poses the greatest danger to the fiat system and those who enormously benefit from that system. The various proponents and schools of economic thought have yet to consider the precarious position they are in because they have failed, utterly failed to contemplate that all their theories are based upon a monetary system inherently doomed to failure. Such a foundational flaw will always ultimately distort all conclusions associated with it, especially when the flaw is not considered to exist. Today, our country is fraught with what could only be considered "Crypto-Despots", eager to maintain their position as well as their power, the prime impetus of which has been the introduction of a system of fiat money for it provides them with medium of control over society that they crave.

So, there are few questions asked and the questions that arise are based upon incomplete assumptions because the foundational structure of the economy is completely based upon a system that contains two divergent fault lines, which will, in time converge in disaster. The first fault line consist of the inherent terminal life span of all fiat monetary systems due to the systemic accumulation and exponential multiplication of debt, the second fault line consist of requirement of absolute widespread public confidence in fiat money itself.

Eventually, these two fault lines converge and the system collapses. Such collapses are not preventable any more than the system itself is sustainable without massive government and central banking interventions. The system lends itself to those who require the benefits of inflationism, this trait, of course, is welcomed and enhanced by both government and central bankers who are all too eager to utilize such a trait to their best advantage. What need is there to operate within budgets, to maintain expenditures by within tax revenues since, according the a former Chairman of the Federal Reserve of New York: "taxes for revenue are obsolete", and indeed they are obsolete within a fiat monetary system. I have found that the full import of that statement has yet to be realized, especially within the minds of the majority of economists and their feeble schools of economic theory fashioned around the fiat monetary system, a system that is inherently flawed.

Eventually, of course, the people, the economists and the politicians will become painfully aware of just how flawed the fiat monetary system really is as the very harsh reality rises into view, affecting everything and everyone within this country. Like all fiat monetary systems, ours is destined to go through the same stages of failure as all others before it, and our economy will, at that moment, collapse under the weight of massive insolvent debt, upon which the system is created.

Inflation is an easy tool in the hands of the government as long as they can maintain it at gradual incremental increases over long periods of time, but the moment a rapid increase occurs, the ruse becomes far more difficult to maintain. In the first stage, the people will begin to witness the rapid increase in prices for both goods and services. While at that point they simply believe the government when it states that commodity prices are rising for various reasons; the government of course, always has a plethora of reasons on hand to justify such price increases, all in the hope of maintaining the charade.

At this stage, there will be a few people who actually realize just what is going on in the economy, but unfortunately the majority will remain true to their conditioning and while they may gripe, will not question the true cause of their financial pain or the culprit behind it. The majority will continue living their daily routines as though the inconveniences of higher prices will be a passing phenomena, continuing to misplace their trust in a government that was in on the damnable ruse from the beginning as it shifts all blame to something or someone other than itself.

While, at this stage, people may wish to make certain purchases, they think that prices will eventually retreat so they put off the purchases in the short-term until a later date. This common attitude is relatively short lived because as prices continue to rise, at unprecedented levels over longer, consistent periods of time, people will begin to think that because prices are so high that they will then put off a purchase for a year or two, perhaps then prices will once again subside to more normal and manageable levels for their income. The last stage abruptly hits and the entire system then faces catastrophic collapse when the people begin to think that they had better make a purchase, any purchase immediately because they realize that the purchasing power of their fiat money is rapidly loosing its value of exchange.

So, the people, in a panic, will withdraw, if they are allowed, their bank deposits, cash in their stocks, redeem any bonds for cash to exchange for commodities or merchandise they feel will retain value even if they have no real needs for the commodities or merchandise they are buying. As the panic spreads, shortages being to take shape, manufacturing slows to a halt, unemployment skyrockets, and public services breakdown and in the last stages chaos ensues. The government seeks to assert itself, but to no avail for even the government under these circumstances, in this present age will prove to be as impotent as the fiat money they so ardently promoted, to solve the problems faced by the country and the people.

While it is easy to see the conclusion of such a system as a failure, the truth of the matter is that entire system, and the polices created to sustain it, were failures from the beginning. The purpose of the system is not, nor has it ever been throughout history, for the benefit of the people; its sole purpose is to provide the government with unlimited, unrestrained finance and the central bankers with an incredible profit machine without much oversight or regulation to impede their government authorized monopoly.

So, the system of government and central banking fiat money, dependent upon intentional deception of the population to remain viable comes to an abrupt end, it is no longer a manageable system of exchange, nor will it provide the government with a free financial reign. There are no solutions to the problems inherent within our government's fiat monetary regime even though the government economists continue to heap unabashed praise on both the system and the polices required to maintain it, that will become more and more difficult as the system reaches its terminal point.

Historically, fiat inflation was realistically deemed extremely dangerous to the economic, social and political safety of a country, but as usual, the temptation for the unleashed power and the ability to use the fiat system to convert the labor of a population to unlimited wealth for those in charge of the money has always proven far too great to resist. Of course, the campaign to demonize sound money has been unrelenting, primarily from those who benefit the most from the fiat monetary system, and those who have been duped into believing it was the source of all economic troubles prior to the advent of the Federal Reserve System, of course, it wasn't. Those pro-inflationist, those fiat-philanderers have vowed to forever prevent sound money from raising its head in this and other countries again, but their faith will be shaken soon enough.

In Liberty and Eternal Vigilance,

Republicae-Seditionist

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First ....

I am glad this was revived, because I missed it.

Second ...

I agree that a collapse is inevitable and it will be quite sudden.

Third ...

I agree with JZneff that as of today it is unrealistic to assume that this is the moment of truth and I still think at least one more mini cycle (And probably two) is left before the doom.

Having said all that ...

The probability that you are correct is increasing daily. In July I would have given your outlook, at best, a 10% probability. Today it is slightly less than 50%, if I had to give a number, it would be 42%. The difference gives me pause and elevates the probability closer to 50/50.

I will leave it at that.

WAHOR!!
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Creating debt to circulate currency = Salvery!

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Question - It seems to me this current situation involves 3 new elements that makes it unique in history and that these could make this crisis much more severe than previous historical cases of a collapsing currency.
They are:
1. New complex financial instruments - CDOs and CDSs are new, intentionally complex instruments that are more akin to snake oil than traditional equities.

2. Out of control leveraging - Some of the 40 - 1 leveraging is more like drunken gambling than investing.

3. International exposure - People in emerging markets have been duped in a big way and this worldwide scam brings with it all types of baggage including the prospect of war.

In fact, I believe the reason the bailout money was injected into the big banks was to stave off a collapse of the house of cards that these three elements have combined to produce. In other words, this is not your grandmother's economic collapse. In short, some big bankers got greedy, bet big and lost and now they are using their political assets to make the taxpayer foot the bill. Am I even close here?

Absolutely, it is not your

Absolutely, it is not your grandmothers economic collapse, or in my case my mother's. No, this is very different than that of the Great Depression, not mentioning your points, which absolutely enter into the equation, but the monetary system today is very different that it was in 1930 or even in 1971. The mechanics make this collapse a society killer, not just an economy killer.

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Okay, Republicae, we are doing what we can

to stem this but obviously the house of cards is coming down no matter what we do or the govt. or FED does, and you talk of it being a society killer, and somewhere else you said we would return to a hunter/gatherer society.
1. Do you mean this literally? about the hunter/gatherer?

2. What should we do to prepare?

3. How much time do you think we have?

Thanks again for your thoughtful reports.

content enhancement bump..

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Thanks

Thanks One_Louv

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CHANGE I can believe in

THAT is plain BS .WE are NOT on irreversable course.. Why would we be going to all this trouble on the net????YOU want CHANGE tell Obama ...REAL CHANGE is to JUST SAY, NO, NO ,NO .to ANY bailout/sellout. IF we do this bail thing then we will be on an irreversable cdourse...
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Read it again

Read it again Confusious.....The entire fiat monetary system, the Debt Standard upon which this entire society, the government and the economy depends is rapidly approaching its termination point. Don't believe it.....hide and watch. Every system that relies upon Debt for its complete economic health eventually collapses, ours will not be the first, but hopefully it will be the last time any government allows bankers to pull such a scam on the People.

Once again, it is obvious that you really haven't read what was written or the comments...all is addressed if you take the time. The money system will collapse and this Statist Oligarchy will collapse with it...now, the reason we are here is to Restore the Republic, not to continue to prop up the very thing we attack!

Whether the bailout occurs or not, the course has long ago been set. The system must rely upon debt for the monetary system to operate, but the underlying debt is now so massive that the economy can no longer support its weight. It will, without any doubt in my mind, collapse and there is absolutely nothing this government or the FED can do to stop it at this point.

Rags make Paper; Paper makes Money; Money makes Banks;Banks make Loans; Loans make Beggars; Beggars make Rags

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Reminder Bump Rags make

Reminder Bump

Rags make Paper; Paper makes Money; Money makes Banks;Banks make Loans; Loans make Beggars; Beggars make Rags

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I second or third the Thank-you I come back to this thread

as the dialog between those of you who truly grasp the economics and the history and are mentally working through the best way to go forward from here are teaching the many and varied facets of not only the problem but the solutions. You guys are wonderful!

Thank you jzneff and Republicae

You two are great. A wonderful, intelligent discussion that was educational for me. I'm really thankful. You two avoided spiraling into name-calling, swearing idiots.

I know you disagree with each other, but it's so great that this movement has the attention of both of you!

You're wrestling with an issue that is at the heart of the next step in our efforts.

Please continue.

Educate yourself

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Thank You, Both

"... Bravo, Bravisimo.....

GO RON PAUL !!! "

Thanks, Lib, Susan

Thanks, Lib, Susan

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Thanks

I'm glad that you've taken notice that I try to stay rational and on the issues.

I certainly disagree with a lot of what Republicae has to say, but I must say that I respect him as much as any other. I think he's an asset to our movement and educated and armed with knowledge like we all must be.

I may disagree with him, but i'd be proud to fight along side him to save our country...if god forbid it gets to that point.

What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!

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I agree Jzneff...we have

I agree Jzneff...we have slightly differing points of view, but without such contrast neither of us would dig any deeper. Opposition is the great strength builder, without it we are all weaker.

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Yes. THANK YOU both Jzneff

Yes. THANK YOU both Jzneff and Republicae. I'm SO sick of a handful of other people on the DP constantly resorting to immature tactics when they are outgunned in the rational argument department. You guys have both always been very courteous, even in the face of personal attacks. I've learned a lot about interacting with others just being here on the DP so thanks for your contributions to the site. They are greatly appreciated.

Howdy MainePaul!

Woooot! A fellow Mainer!

I'm in Androscoggin County - you anywhere near there?

Yours in Liberty,

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Yours in Liberty,

Shovel

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote..." ~ Ben Franklin

"The 'cost of freedom' is risk and responsibility..." ~ Me

Thanks Maine,

Thanks Maine, I appreciate the comments

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Is the collapse of the dollar inevitable?

In my Critique of Mathematically Perfected Economy, www.axiomaticeconomics.com/perfected_economy.php, I write:

“The basic flaw in the logic of modern socialists (Montagne , Cook , Zarlenga , etc.) is confusion between motivation and capability. ‘He’s privately controlled!’ the socialist sneers at the Federal Reserve chairman, the unspoken assumption being that, were the socialist put in charge, he would immediately open the floodgates of wealth and prosperity for us all. It would be a veritable socialistic paradise, if only the Benevolent One were given the authority to print money! But, the fact is, the Fed is in a box. If a socialist were put in charge, he would be in the same box.”

In my Critique of Austrian Economics, www.axiomaticeconomics.com/critiques.php, I write:

“Rothbard discusses an inevitable ‘distortion-reversion process’ but says little about how it actually plays out. Apparently forgetting his master’s regression theorem, he declares ‘the continuance of confidence in the banks is something of a psychological marvel’ (1970, p. 867).

“Garrison (2001, p. 44) redefines the Production Possibilities Frontier, PPF, to be sustainable combinations of investment and consumption, but says nothing about what is so unsustainable about a credit expansion. Since he defines consumption on the PPF (which is real) to be the same as consumption on the Hayekian triangle (which is nominal), the unsustainability cannot have anything to do with a devaluation of the currency.

“So we see that Mises, writing in 1949, was really the last Austrian to make much of an effort to explain or predict interest rate spikes. After that, their discussion of this issue, including Mises’ later writings, increasingly took on the tone of a morality play, with the greedy bankers getting their ‘inevitable’ comeuppance.”

Clearly, the socialists and the Austrians are at opposite ends of the spectrum of views on inevitability. Socialists believe that the Federal Reserve can turn on a dime, veering away from economic collapse towards a socialistic paradise simply by giving the right person the chairmanship. And how would the Benevolent One accomplish this feat? According to the Debt Virus Theory, it is as simple as printing money and spending it directly into the economy, rather than buying Treasury Bills. On the other hand, the Austrians believe that a “distortion-reversion process” is inevitable. Credit expansion is unsustainable and this, apparently, is true no matter how benevolent the chairman of the Fed may be.

Is hyperinflation the inevitable result of inflation? In America we have only had one bout with hyperinflation and, over 200 years later, the phrase “not worth a Continental” is still part of our language. “In conclusion,” I write in my Critique of Mathematically Perfected Economy, “to Montagne, Cook, Zarlenga and anyone else who claims that they can open the floodgates of prosperity by spending paper money directly into the economy, I say: ‘The Debt Virus Theory is not worth a Continental!’” Debt Virus Theorists’ followers are mostly laymen (for obvious reasons) and, when I wrote this, I fully expected any American with a passing interest in economics to be familiar with the expression, “not worth a Continental.”

Indeed, the collapse of the Continental was inevitable because, having spent Continentals directly into the economy (mostly for soldiers’ wages), the Continental Congress had nothing in their portfolio with which they could buy them back. They were, in fact, benevolent men who had no desire to see their newly-won nation racked with hyperinflation, but they could no more recall the paper money that they had printed than Frankenstein could recall his monster.

But surely the Federal Reserve is smarter than the Continental Congress! Until as recently as last year (2007), I would have responded to this question with a begrudging “yes.” As much as I dislike the United States having a central bank (I advocate free banking), I will admit that, by buying only Treasury Bills, the Federal Reserve has given themselves a portfolio with which they can buy back dollars in the event that inflation should threaten to turn into hyperinflation. Unless the Federal Government itself collapses – by losing a war, for instance – there will always be a market for T-Bills. Selling T-Bills for cash and destroying the cash is a painful, recession-inducing process, as evidenced by our experience during Reagan’s first term, but it can be done. Contra Rothbard, hyperinflation is not inevitable under a central bank.

So what has Ben Bernanke done to make me question his intelligence, if not his benevolence? He polluted the Fed’s portfolio with AAA-rated securities, which I have mocked as being “about as marketable as the chocolate-covered cotton balls that Milo Minderbinder was trying to foist on people in Catch 22.” Everybody knows that, in spite of their impressive-sounding AAA rating, these securities are really just packages of sub-prime loans that nobody wants – what I defined in my Devil’s Dictionary of Economics, www.axiomaticeconomics.com/devils_dictionary.php, as “worthless crap.” If people wanted them, in the sense of being willing to pay cash for them, then we wouldn’t be having a credit crisis in the first place.

Bernanke’s actions have made the question of hyperinflation a murky one. The Austrian’s depiction of hyperinflation as being the inevitable fate of central banking has always been cartoonishly simplistic, and it remains so. However, economists of all schools must now admit that hyperinflation is at least a possibility. If the dollar appears to be losing its status as the world’s reserve currency, what will the Fed do about it? Sell their AAA-rated securities for cash and destroy the cash? But what if nobody is impressed with the AAA rating and won’t buy their securities at any price? Then the Fed will be in the same position as the Continental Congress - benevolent men who have no desire to see their beloved nation racked with hyperinflation, but who have no more ability to recall the paper money that they have printed than Frankenstein had to recall his monster.

Of course, not all of the Fed’s portfolio is in AAA-rated securities and not everything with an AAA rating is worthless crap. They still have lots of T-Bills and there is a market for at least some of their AAA-rated securities. This is why the question of hyperinflation has become so murky. The bottom line is that nobody – not even Ben Bernanke – really knows what the Fed’s portfolio is worth these days. For this reason, I would be very leery of any economist, from any school, who speaks confidently about the future of the dollar. Is the collapse of the dollar inevitable, as the Austrians claim? Or are we at the dawn of a socialistic paradise, provided only that we install the Benevolent One in the Federal Reserve’s chair, as the Debt Virus Theorists claim? The answer is certainly somewhere between these extremes, but where exactly I cannot tell you.

Source: www.axiomaticeconomics.com/golden_calf.php

References

Garrison, Roger. 2001. Time and Money: The Macroeconomics of Capital Structure. New York, NY: Routledge

Rothbard, Murray N. [1962] 1970. Man, Economy and State. Los Angeles, CA: Nash Publishing

Postscript

As I said at another thread, Republicae, we are not far apart (though not identical either) in our positions. However, your title, "America in a State of Irreversible Collapse," is a bit alarmist. As I point out in this passage, the question of hyperinflation is murky; I would be very leery of any economist, from any school, who speaks confidently about the future of the dollar.

I believe that Rothbard led an entire generation astray with his scare talk of an inevitable collapse of the dollar. Libertarians will never be taken seriously by mainstream economists if we persist in repeating that kind of talk. For one thing, even disregarding theoretical issues, Rothbard's Man, Economy, and State came out in 1962. Repeating predictions made almost half a century ago almost verbatim is not going to convince anybody of the urgency or the originality of modern Austrian thought.

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Shaka, you so crazy! www.axiomaticeconomics.com

Actually, my first title for

Actually, my first title for the article was "Uncle Sam's Fiat Fantasy Fiasco", it probably would have gotten less attention, don't you think?

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Kind of like V's dialogue,

only with the letter "F."

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That's pretty good Shaka

That's pretty good Shaka

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Well, I am hoping that

the government is Ssooooooo inept and the people SSoooooo asleep that patriots everywhere can just walk in take charge and reinstate the Constitution and put Ron Paul in charge. hee,heee

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My hope has been that

My hope has been that between the time of the last few Repubican primaries and now that the people would see what was happening, wake up by the time of the Republican Convention and surprise everyone by nominating Dr. Paul.

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your right about collapse of this country...

for this country has chopped off all 3 legs of the foundational stool it sits on...
1-the Constitution has been trashed
2-God has been kicked out of all schools and courtrooms
3-the BIBLE is ridiculed and has been thrown out of the schools. it was the foundation of learning in this country for over 100 years.

you cannot do away with your Creator and His blessings without slitting your own throat.

"darkness is the absence of light, and evil comes in the absence of good...and only GOD is good..."

but it is not "irreversible"...repent...turn from your wicked ways and live..."

Ezekiel 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

2 and 3 are successes. I fully support both.

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Lisa C.

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diddo

duh...did i spell diddo right?

then you are against everything the founding fathers were for...

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/founding.html

Patrick Henry
March 23, 1775
"Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom."

"It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."

...Lisa, if 2 of the 3 are successes...then the third ( the destruction of the Constitution ) is soon to follow.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Oh really?

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies."

- Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Dr. Woods)