For those talking about writing in Ron Paul should he not win the nomination? You need to know these things listed
I want this to be clear! I am not and will not tell anyone who to vote forbecause that is your job as an American citizen.
There are many things you need to know before you even think about doing this.
Ron Paul will need to file to be on a ballot as a write in candidate and he is not going to be doing that.
All of you talking about writing in Ron Paul first needs to see if your state is even going to allow a write in candidate in the first place and there are only 12 or 13 states will even allow it and only if Ron Paul files to be placed as a write in candidate in those 12 or 13 states. Most of the states will not allow this unless the candidate won the pimary in that state.
Ron Paul has already stated he doesn't want people writing his name in and I will be posting a full article on this soon that will lay out all the states that will not allow a write in candidate.
Ron Paul will not be endorsing anyone so if you are waiting for that it isn't going to happen and why yo ask? Because if he endorses anyone running against a Republican he can andwill be knocked down to a Jr. member in congress and we can't let that happen. Do we really want Ron Paul to lose his senior status in congress?
If we are going to make the changes tht need to be made in this country we are going to need to be educated on how the system works to have any effect at all.
Please before you act do your research and confirm anything you have been told and that includes information I have been giving to many of you.
Trust no one and educate yourselves.
Dr. Steve Parent
Delete this thread.
Stop trying to talk people out of voting for who they want to. Yes, you are trying to tell everyone who to vote for. You SAY you are not, then provide links to YOUR preferred candidate. PLESE go away. Then you have the arrogance to say "educate yourselves", but you are trying to tell people what they can and cannot do! Stop trying to influence my vote.
IT IS A FREE COUNTRY
A man's decision to do what a man thinks is right is his right.
Just like it is yours to start this thread.
Folks who think for themselves and have the courage to act on it are why this country will survive.
How does any person know what is right in this case?
If a person is guided by their conscience to write in Dr. Paul, how is it "known" that this is wrong or detrimental?
This vote maybe the drop of water that turns the tide.
You say the vote will be discarded, wasted or ignored?
I say no action is wasted, not one.
Every breath every word and every intention in support of Dr. Paul brings us a step closer to freedom.
I'm sure there a host of intellectual reasons to do otherwise.
I am going to do what my heart tells me to do.
Unify
Thanks for the post.
Writing in Dr. Paul's name will NOT achieve anything, and Dr. Paul himself advised against it. A vote for Barr, Baldwin or even Nader will send a message about which direction the GOP should take, thus WILL achieve something, even if a third party does not win.
I fully agree Dr. Paul should not endorse anyone, just root. He take it as a given that supporters are smart enough to decide to vote for the third party candidate of their choice. If you write in his name, you are not sure it will be counted, - and it will in any case be much less than Dr. Paul received during the primaries - and you never know how it could be misused, e.g. changed to a vote for McBama.
If Dr. Paul endorse say Barr over Baldwin or visa versa, it would split the movement and if that party gets less than 1 million votes, they would portray it as an insignificant number. Dr. Paul has to appeal to all the Republicans who might reluctantly decide to vote for McCain, or stay at home, in the future. Dr. Paul should not endorse anyone, and if McCain then loses, we can and should blame it all on the neocons political and economic blunders. It will be so much easier to take over a weakened GOP and we will also provide them with enthusiasm and the moral basis for true change, in 2010 etc.
stop wasting time
ron paul will be the nominee!! now, get on over to the ron paul on cnn thread and digg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~peace
~peace
digg what?
what do i need to go and digg?
You're being somewhat
You're being somewhat disingenuous. It's true that Paul would have to file in order for the vote to be counted in his name, but most people who plan to write him in are under no delusions about it counting in that way; they're simply doing it on principle.
We all know you're a Baldwin supporter, but guess what? He has no chance, either. A vote for Baldwin is effectively the same as writing in Paul; neither one will count towards a win, but both will be counted as voters who cared enough to vote but not for either major party. In that sense, they both count for a lot, because they send the same message.
You shouldn't discourage people from doing what they feel is right, as long as they're basically sending the same message as you: none of the above.
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Liberty for Dummies
While I'm not a Baldwin supporter....
I believe voting for him or Barr will make more of a statement as to our disgust with McCain and the neo-cons in the GOP. It also has the effect of strengthening the Libertarian and Constitution Parties in 2012 and gives us other options if the GOP doesnt get its s#$t together.
Fellow Veterans, This Is A Call To Arms!
http://www.facebook.com/events/192677970828185/
February 20, 2012 - Veterans For Ron Paul March on D.C.!
And I agree. But if a person
And I agree. But if a person wants to write in Ron Paul, they shouldn't be discouraged, on any grounds, IMO.
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Liberty for Dummies
Wow.
So seniority is now not judged by length of time in Congress...
Also Ron Paul is telling people what to do and not do...
Ron Paul will not be endorsing anyone, as we are told here by our psychic friend...
Cats and dogs, sleeping together...
So much text and so much misleading garbage just to say "hey guys make sure write-ins are allowed on your Nov ballot." On top of that, one should actually research whether or not write-in ballots are counted in most likely scenarios. The time to research all of this, and protest, and try to get it all changed... was LAST ELECTION.
If there's something objectively wrong with our system, fix it now. Fix it for the next time. Hope that it only takes a few years to fix. Work within the rules of the system to change it. The rules aren't as unfair as half of you think, which is largely because you didn't bother to read the rules before you started playing :)
I know. I'm retarded. Of course, I said these same things at the end of 2004's election, and 2000's. Perhaps if the outrage had actually led to something other than internet grand-standing...
Oh Please
Just give it a rest!!! We all know you are still mad Dr Steve closed down RPI Radio and took all your hosts...because he is a real patriot and you are just a wannabe. It is time to move on while WE (Dr Steve and I) Get the Job Done!!! Better luck next time.
PS...
The most frightening prospect that SGP's heard in ages, those terrible words... I am moving to Canada.
That's right: I'm going to be your neighbor in a couple of years. Prepare and repent, Great White Northers!
Here is my principle
I think it was George Carlin who suggested that they put a vote of "no confidence" on all the ballots. That way citizens could go and vote. They could say, "I took the time to educate myself how and where to vote. I took the time to vote. I participated and I am saying I have a vote of no confidence."
If "no confidence" was on a ballot, we might find that 35% go to no Confidence, 33% to Obama and 32% got to McCain--or something like that. What would that do to the political landscape if people realized the reason we have such such low voter turn out isn't because of apathy but because of no confidence?
Things might change. I will not feed the system any more. If my vote is nothing more then a sign of no confidence, I will still feel I did my patriotic duty in voting. I will be there. I will participate. I will not support the system. My vote of no confidence (by writing in Paul) counts.
Quite frankly I don't trust Barr yet. I think the Libertarian, Green, and Constitutional parties are too...unorganized and incoherent in their plans to feel good about voting for them.
I hope everyone votes. I pray that enough people vote for third party candidates or write ins that the established political structure starts to change.
More BS from the hearing aid convict
"Ron Paul will not be endorsing anyone so if you are waiting for that it isn't going to happen and why yo ask? Because if he endorses anyone running against a Republican he can andwill be knocked down to a Jr. member in congress and we can't let that happen. Do we really want Ron Paul to lose his senior status in congress?"
Um, seniority in Congress is based on time served, not endorsements or anything else. Ron Paul will NOT lose any seniority status as a Representative by endorsing non-Republicans. The ONLY way he could lose seniority is to not be a Representative anymore.
Given Ron's relative ineffectiveness as a lone wolf in regards to legislating in Congress (how many of his bills have passed in nearly 22 years?), what would this nonsensical hypothetical scenario of losing seniority affect in the end? Nothing, really.
Why not spread some more misinformation while you're at it? Oh, wait, you do in almost every post.
So, how is the "majority of delegates" thing coming?
And when did you come out of retirement for the umpteenth time?
Before you give some silly knee-jerk reply like you did with nosurf, I couldn't give a hoot about being "banned" from your chatroom of 10 idlers and your can-and-string quality audio stream.
Bump for Truth!
I want the simple questions in my two posts on this thread answered for everybody's benefit. Steve has dodged these questions since he graced us with his presence this past winter.
Another bump for truth
So when is SGP going to endow us plebes with his seemingly infinite knowledge via undisclosed sources?
if you do some research
I think if you look back, these questions have been answered MANY times. I wonder what YOU have done for the revolution except spread negativity. Seeing that you just joined I have to think you are just here to spread disinformation.
What have I done?
Well, I'll start off with a quick "what I haven't done"...
I haven't peddled for money that is appropriated to unknown things.
I haven't torn apart what's left of this movement with blatant lies.
I haven't been convicted of multiple counts of scamming the handicapped out of thousands.
I haven't given false hope to anybody, particularly for the purpose of feeding an insatiable ego.
I haven't moved to central Canada to hide from parole.
Yeah, this handle is new on DP, but I've been around libertarian circles longer than most of the people on here have known of Dr. Paul.
Many know my contributions, whether it be maxing out the annual contributions (to my recent dismay), hosting on the original RPR for months, not to mention all of the local work I did as well as running for state and national delegate.
LOL
SGP never answers any questions. He lets his minions defend him baselessly.
"This will be a brokered convention there is no way around it."
"WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW"
"The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination."
He will try to let these lies slip into oblivion. But the ScourgeTeam will free the TRUTH.
Stand Strong
Stand strong Dr Steve!!! Ignore these naysayers. We are blessed to have a true patriot like yourself here to guide us....for that I am truly grateful.
Misinformation
"Ron Paul has already stated he doesn't want people writing his name in and I will be posting a full article on this soon that will lay out all the states that will not allow a write in candidate."
Please include in your article the majority of states that allow write-in votes for President or do you want people to see your article as disingenuous?
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"We really do have...a once in a lifetime opportunity to take the Republican Party back to where it was." -Kent Snyder, 1959-2008
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
Majority of states allow write-in votes for President
"Ron Paul will need to file to be on a ballot as a write in candidate and he is not going to be doing that."
Ron Paul does not need to file as a write-in candidate for you to physically write-in Ron Paul in the majority of states that allow write-in votes for President.
All of you talking about writing in Ron Paul first needs to see if your state is even going to allow a write in candidate in the first place and there are only 12 or 13 states will even allow it and only if Ron Paul files to be placed as a write in candidate in those 12 or 13 states. Most of the states will not allow this unless the candidate won the pimary [sic] in that state."
This is misinformation and disingenuous at best. I expected better than this from you, to be frank. Write-in votes for President are allowed in the majority of states. Do your homework. If you'd like me to debate this point and prove it to you, I will.
Whether the write-in votes will "count" is another matter. And as I stated below, black-box voting corrupts the integrity of a given vote for ballot-qualified candidates. So, if I am going to be "wasting" my vote at any rate, I might as well vote for the best man for the job--Ron Paul.
All votes were once write-in votes!
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"We really do have...a once in a lifetime opportunity to take the Republican Party back to where it was." -Kent Snyder, 1959-2008
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
Majority of states allow write-in votes for President
"Ron Paul has already stated he doesn't want people writing his name in..."
Pardon me, but I call bullshit. Dr. Paul said no such thing. I think it's pathetic that someone would put words into Dr. Paul's mouth.
Here is what Ron said: "I don’t think that’s very productive. Supporters can do it, of course, but in most of the states it won’t count. And if they can change the rules in a primary and not count all the votes, imagine what they could do with write-in votes!"
In fact, Ron Paul said that his supporters could write in his name if it was their prerogative.
When you can demonstrate that a given vote for a ballot-qualified candidate will be "counted" under the auspices of black-box, Stalinist-style elections, then I'll reconsider my inclination to write-in Ron Paul if necessary.
How can you be sure that a given vote for a ballot-qualified candidate will be "counted" in any election utilizing black-box balloting and vote "counting" systems running proprietary software which cannot be audited by the public, effectively rendering the vote "count" in secret? You can't.
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"We really do have...a once in a lifetime opportunity to take the Republican Party back to where it was." -Kent Snyder, 1959-2008
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
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Ron Paul is My President
here are the facts
Here is what Ron said: "I don’t think that’s very productive. Supporters can do it, of course, but in most of the states it won’t count. And if they can change the rules in a primary and not count all the votes, imagine what they could do with write-in votes!"
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/021556.html
Unless there is some new information, no where does he say that he doesn't "want" his supporters to write-in Ron Paul for President.
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"We really do have...a once in a lifetime opportunity to take the Republican Party back to where it was." -Kent Snyder, 1959-2008
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
What to do?
Personally, I will wait till after the rally at the Convention. Then I will try to decipher what Ron Paul's thinking really is. I have no problem writing him in on a ballot as I believe God will see my vote and He is the only One who can turn this country around anyway. ANd He won't if we're voting for evil men. My only other option is to vote for Churck Baldwin. I just want to see if he gets more traction amongst other Ron Paul supporters.
I like everything I read about Churck Baldwin. I would prefer to haveRon Paul as President because I think Chuck Baldwin is needed as a preacher more than as a politician. The world of "Christianity" is about as abysmal and corrupt as the world of politics and to lose a preacher to the Presidency may not do our country much good either.
As you can see, I am torn; so I continue to wait and will trus tthe Lod to give me wisdom when I vote.
One thing I know: under no circumstances will I vote for McCain or Obama.
It's either Ron Paul or Churck Baldwin. All others are also rans.
I would agree that Chuck
I would agree that Chuck Baldwin is definitely the best choice on the ballot, but whether other Ron Paul people agree or not, I think the point is to make a vote that you can live with. Don't wait for everyone else to catch up with the idea of voting independent. If you think he's the best man for the job, than vote for him, and go aloong your merry way.
FYI, Baldwin won't even be
FYI, Baldwin won't even be on the ballot in much of the country, including huge states like Texas.
Baldwin is a non-factor- if you can't get on the ballot, you can't do anything.
At least the Libertarians will be on the ballot in most states (maybe all states) and will certainly be on the ballot in the big states.
While you MAY (in some places, you simply can't do it) be able to do a write-in for Ron Paul or Baldwin, there is a good chance that it won't be counted.
Seems pretty pointless to caste a vote that won't even be counted. Thats why I am now against the "write in" idea- its utterly futile.
www.ronpaul2008.com
www.ronpaul2012.com
My right! Good enough reason for me.
The way I see it I have two choices, either not vote or write in Ron Paul. Either way my vote may not matter, but at least I am not throwing away my vote.
grant
SGP: Do you think Ron Paul will endorse another candidate
not directly, but indirectly through family, staffers, or a spokesperson? If so, would this jeopardize his seniority position in Congress?
Love (consciousness) is in everything.
"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner
If Ron Paul does not get the nomination, I will not write
his name in 1. because that reflects his wishes. 2. because I want my third party vote counted. I think it is vitally important each election cycle, for third parties to make headway in the numbers game. For my family and I to write-in Ron Paul and it not get tallied (and it won't in my state even if the write-in numbers are in the thousands), is a lessor strategy. If you study the platforms of the LP, CP, and America First Party, you will find next to total agreement with RP's philosophy. What each of these parties has failed miserably at is development of a winning strategy for their candidates. They all lack think tanks. They lack what we have. We lack coordination. If we stop butting heads and focus on a winning strategy we can be successful no matter which party we apply it to!
Love (consciousness) is in everything including the void.
"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner