Do you think this kind of control is right? Do you know why Guy Holland is destroying Meetup Groups???
Someone named Guy Holland is taking over meetups.
He is deleting meetups scheduled, removing organizers, and censoring the email and message board - only allowing what he wants. He is also deleting any members that question him in any way!
He mentions there is a "movement" happening to take over all Meetups and run them like this. He and his "gang" stalk meetups and as soon as they can, take over.
In this case, it was the San Antonio Meetup Group (He did this with the New Orleans group too). With the SA group, I think he convinced the unstable organizer to hand over the ownership - and gave him false reasons.
PLEASE have your San Antonio and surrounding areas friends join the new San Antonio Campaign for Liberty Group. http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1936/
This guy is DAMAGING meetups everywhere. Please don't let yours be next. He REFUSES to answer direct questions.
Here is his email - maybe you can get an answer out of him.
Read this thread to see how wacked out this guy is:
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/119/boards/thread/5275340/
(Beware: The email he cites in the thread has already been proven false and ficticious. The CFL said no such thing - ever. It was written and completely made up to give this "movement" some kind of validity.)
If you know this man - please steer clear. If you work with him - please talk some sense into him.
(I had to post this under a non-telling name because Guy deletes any and all members associated with saying something he doesn't like. Yet - he claims to be working with the CFL and Ron Paul half of the time...)
Bump
Well, doubtless this would be great strategy to destroy Ron Paul's efforts.
It's just a meetup group
Come on, this is just a meetup group. A fancified e-mail list.
I've been a member since it first started. The originator, Dale, was energized early on but life soon took over and he moved on. Erick did a great job of organizing a lot of the sign wavings and fun stuff that made joining the R3VOLUTION exciting.
I'm not one for organizations, I was once the president of my county LP but it's such a joke of a title, like being the organizer of a riot.
I think the thing that made the RP campaign so successful was having a lot of individuals not controlled with the same goal...getting Ron Paul elected.
There were plenty of ideas and roads to follow that fit everyone's fancy. I went the route of becoming precinct chair and state delegate. That's where I felt I could be most effective. For others it was putting up signs or handing out pamphlets.
I do find it a bit nepharious for some guy from Michigan to take over a meetup group in San Antonio. Especially since it seems to have turned from a group that would send out notifications about local events going on to a mass e-mail about stupid stuff that is the same as every other Ron Paul e-mail list I'm signed up on.
Either way, the goals are changing. Getting Ron Paul elected is now quite a long shot so trying to keep people around when the original goal is no longer there is a difficult task.
http://NoOneButPaul.com
An email that says it all 2007
This email was sent back in July 2007 and sums up the problems we have been having the whole time.
Here is link to our email archives:
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/119/messages/443142/
Erick, I wish this were tongue in cheek but alas, I lament; you are asking for sensible order and recognizable organization which I fail to find in any substantial part within this group. I feel your frustration and have more of my own. I sometimes wonder if this is by design for there are some who claim great experience in political organization. I have none so I can not judge but I know a cluster-chuk when I see one. I would like to actively participate within this group but it?s just too unorganized and confusing for me to really be involved.
When my truck is stuck in the mud, I know to quit spinning my wheels and get out and fix the problem. Others it would seem, see no problem at all, so long as the air conditioning and radio still work fine. Should this group ever learn to communicate ?effectively? I will again dedicate my time and efforts to it.
Richard
Let me guess you like your air conditioning and radio =P.
Also all the emails are archived here. It shows Guy's noble responses to an offensive group. Also there is an explanation from Dirk stating how everything was deleted by meetup.com.
For all you people who are reading this please go look, the whole thing is archived. Just follow the link above.
Guy HOlland
is from the national grass roots meetup group
"National grassroots"!
Talk about an oxymoron!
That's as bad as "military intelligence".
Note: Not knocking you Tom. I just find that concept to be very funny.
I am posting this here - because I will be deleted soon.
I am posting this here because as soon as it is seen here or at the SA Meetup board - I will be removed and deleted because I am "making subversive and slanderous" comments.
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Ok - so obviously Erick (Emalsbury) and Mags (SATX) are never - ever - going to see what every SINGLE other person around them has seen.
25 people have joined the new group.
2 People are (for some odd reason) blindly defending Guy.
Guy is being destructive. He has caused all of this - and where is he?
Nowhere. He has yet to comment here or at the Meetup Group. Further proving his ineptness at running the group - or proving this was all his intention.
Erick: If you were truly such a shining star for the Ron Paul campaign, you wouldn't be throwing your "title" around like you are. You said to me: "if you were around at all, then I would know you."
These is a sickenly pompous statment.
I wonder if you were so involved - how is it that I don't know you? If you want to throw names and titles around - where were you when people were FIGHTING to get things right with FairConvention.org. I didn't see you at any of the meetings?
Where were you when 1000+ people came to Victoria for the Ron Paul rally in February? I met the SA group there. (My meetup group organized that rally).
I didn't see you anywhere. So yeah - I have been "around."
Also - if you knew anything you would know that the "title" throwing and such that you are doing is BEYOND opposite of what Dr. Paul and this movement stands for.
He constantly says: It isn't about who does it - just as long as it gets done. (Everyone has either heard that - or actually heard him say it)
I don't need a title to know who I am and what I have done. I don't have to throw things in people's faces.
WE are all in this together. WE should be unified. Instead - Guy has caused this mess and he is no doubt sitting back watching this all unfold - laughing.
You and Mags have more excuses than any die-hard Party Republican I have ever met. Anything that is thrown at you - you have an excuse for.
As for the meetup: Guy took it over within a couple of HOURS. He didn't "step up to the plate." He SWOOPED in like a vulture.
I saw the email come through. I asked Bonita if she wanted to use an extra meetup space (under my name) to help with this group. I went to the gym. I came back. ALL of this had happened.
SO - yes - Guy SWOOPED in. It was all too fast and coincidental to me - but eh.
The point is that this group will obviously never be turned over to Bonita or Robert. They care about where this group is going and not who they are or what title they have.
I am inviting anyone and everyone who is TIRED of this hostile (yes) takeover, to please let this group go and join the new one:
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1936/
There are no slanderous or liable statements. It merely says: This group is run locally.
I really hope, Erick and Mags, that you find a way to see how damaging this all is between your blind faith in Guy (which still baffles me).
Guy has been asked questions he won't answer.
He is sending meaningless and repetitive emails.
He has not done ONE GOOD THING since he joined.
He has said there is a "movement" to join all meetups - yet he refuses to answer any questions about who this movement is or who is behind it. (Yes he said this.)
In closing - since you guys are really hard to get through to - I am moving on to the other group and giving up on trying to convert you to the truth.
I invite anyone else who feels the same to join me (which has been everyone except for Erick, Mags and Guy).
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1936/
"Why is our new organizer living in Michigan?"
Yep, texas4paul was right.
"The page you're looking for doesn't exist. If you followed a link on the Meetup.com website, please let us know."
The thread is history after being closed to new comments & 501 views.
Speaks volumes, eh?
I have it all copied and Guy
I have it all copied and Guy was not the one who deleted it ....you can see who logged on last.
Childish
I am so done arguing with you people. Instead of working together you have chosen to break off from a group that has 330+ members and start your own private click. Instead of sticking it out and fighting for what you believe in you all have chosen to run and hide.
UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL.
You all have caused all of this..sure it is nice to point the finger at Guy, however he has not been the one acting like a child, calling names, sending threatening emails and posting all of this libel.
Why out of 330+ member have you all been able to only get 25 members to join your new group? That speaks volumes.
Good luck in trying to bring about change with your immature tactics.
-Mags
clique
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New Hampshire and Ecuador
Doesn't Guy live in Michigan?
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"I killed the banks"
Yes
He lives in Hartland, Mich. But he opened up the comments, he paid for the meet up. Nobody else wanted to be a meet up organizer, so he bought the groups. He passes important messages along, not a bad guy.
gigione
Thanks for that comment..it
Thanks for that comment..it is nice to see that someone has something positive to say about this guy, Guy that was only trying to save a meetup.
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there were other people that
there were other people that wanted to take over and pay for the meetup (that live in SA). He took over the meetup within TWO HOURS of getting notice of the organizer stepping down.
He is posting emails about being a precint leader in Ohio and TONS of things he cuts and pastes that almost every single person I know already has or has read.
If he were truly a good person - he would give the group back to an SA leader. ANYONE can see the damage he has done.
this is what mags said on the meetup board about this...
As far as him taking over and joining on the same day.....There was a program in effect through meetup that sent emails to concerned individuals about meetups that were in danger of closing...Guy stepped up to the plate and took it over when no one else did. Like Erick said Dirk had been receiving emails from meetup for a month saying that the account was in danger of closing...he chose not to provide his credit card information to save the group, at that point he could have become the real leader. And it appears that he told no one about what was going on except Dale, who never really was involved with the group anyway. If anything you all should be asking Dirk why he allowed this to happen if you all are so pissed off about it.
Again, I urge you all to take a step back and think about what has really changed and if that change is so detrimental to the group that you have to give up on the 300+ members of this already established group. Again focus on getting the members active again, this group need to reach out to all the embers that have not logged on in months and more, send them a personal email ask them to become active again. These people all share the same values and are invaluable to the movement. I agree with Guy it is about growing the choir not preaching to it! If you all sit back and really think about it, for the past few months (I have not been around for four months...I have been working on single issues that are of importance to me) it has been all of the same people going to events...which is cool, it makes it fun, you can all sit around and shoot the shit about issues you all strongly believe in. Change will be brought about when the masses demand change...in order to do that we need to get the masses...reach out to others..and in my personal opinion that is what Guy is trying to do...I do not know Guy from Adam, just like all of you..BUT the difference is I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt - to hope for the best in people before I pass judgment on what their intentions are. This just happened a few days ago...give it a week or so. And most importantly ...TREAT OTHERS THE WAY IN WHICH YOU WANT TO BE TREATED!
Please explain to me
how someone who is not an organizer or assistant organizer of a meetup group can do diddly squat to it?
Even if he is an org/asst of any such group, you'd never know WHO did it, because the site doesn't tell you that.
What are you talking about.
Sounds made up to me. Perhaps this poster has a vendetta against this "guy."
The inactive organizer of
The inactive organizer of this group let the account lapse and Guy seeing the group was in need took it over before a non Pauler did.
TY Guy, sure is a lot better than the post about a Hillary supporter getting a hold of another meetup.
Meetups are ok....
The meetups had there moment and may have one again anytime but many are just sitting dormant or run by johnny/jane come-lately. Having a meetup is nothing having a group of dedicated cooperative activist working together is something else.
I know our meetup, #90 and over 500 members near the end is just a hollow shell and basically sitting dormant. It was taken over for the cost of the re-newel fee by a hard core Hillary supporter who will work on anyones campaign if he/she can get some kind of personal gain. The interesting part is there are no members for he/she to lord over since ALL of the original members who were the heart and soul of the group no longer participate with the meetup yet still meet and are involved outside the meetup frame work.
I believe many others have done the same. Ha Ha RP people are a step ahead of the crowd not following in someones foot steps.
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This libelous post should be deleted.
You have no information he has destroyed any other meetup groups. I have been a longtime member of this group, and he offered me to take over the position as organizer. I am very hesitant to do so considering all people in this group care about is their titles, their so called power within the group, and don't give a damn about getting anything accomplished.
All you want to do is bitch and moan, about EVERYTHING.
I hope Guy sues you for your libelous comments.
You don't make the rules here either,
Mr. One Hour and 37 minutes.
Somebody is a long time RP supporter and never even joined Daily Paul?
Sure you are.
Mr. Plant.
I am a member of so many
I am a member of so many local groups, activist and the like. I am a very busy person and usually do not have time to read blogs on anything other than important issues I have worked on.
I was the Bexar County Coordinator for the national campaign. Just ask Debra Medina. Everyone who did anything in this group at all knows who I am.
Why do I have to actually join The Daily Paul if I am never going to post anything? The Daily Paul does not show ones stature as an active participant in getting things done... especially in the real world.
mmm-hmmm
How bout you get your own group and leave these people alone?
It's a big world, and there's alot of people out there that you can round up for yourselves.
Guy Holland isn't King, and he can't appoint you Prince.
Get used to it.
Lol! I built this group. I
Lol! I built this group. I held the majority of the events. You have no idea what you are talking about. I never said Guy Holland is king, and I do not want to be prince.
I resigned..... after i pwned our senatorial district conventions. I do my own thing now... because of people like this in this group. The group was dying before this happened.
I am in a different group and focus very little attention on theirs, but the 1000+ hours I put into this meetup makes me still hold it dear to my heart. I have been dedicated to this cause since BEFORE Ron Paul even announced his candidacy. You have no right to pass you unfounded judgments against me.
centralized control
The problem with 'meetup' groups is that one or a few people control what can be sent out. one example i saw of this is when Ron Paul was invited onto the tonight show with jay leno in january 2008, which was paul's second appearance on the show. some of the ron paul meetups in l.a. and pasadena refused to announce this last minute appearance or were boycotting it becauise at that time, unlike the octiober 2007 appearance, the writers were on strike and the people in charge of a particular meetup did not want to attend because they were supporting the union.
This was absurd of course because I went and most all the writers liked ron paul and did not have a problem with our presence. However, there were very few people at the studio as compared with the october appearance, which had hundreds of Ron Paul people outside. all because one guy didnt put out the word because of a personal bias towards unions. sick.
It showed the potential destructiveness of centralized control in any system.
"All men in power should be distrusted.." -James Madison
"All men in power should be distrusted.." -James Madison
Are we being fought?
Sounds like it. I think someone is being paid to disrupt.. Imagine that.
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Are we being fought.....
Or are we just fighting each other?
meetup
You should have a email list of meetup members you have met in person, especially since this movement is also about making new friends in liberty.
Calling real meetings, and meeting people face to face, is a sure fire way to combat any subterfuge.
If you don't like what is going on in your meetup, call a meeting.
Get as many people in the same room, and see who knows (and can vouch for ) your new organizer.
If no one can, decide to create a new meetup, and invite the members of the old meetup, (and keep control of organizer rights).
The meetup itself is not as important as maintaining open communication channels with your local friends.
100% Correct
This is 100% correct however this group does not do this. That is why they are scarred they have lost control. I built the membership up to over 300 people just to have these so called organizers run it into the ground. This meetup was run by a small click and now, they are all scarred. They did make a new meetup and all they could get to join are 24ish people lol. Their click....12.5% of the whole meetup... and it was bigger than that before they chased off many GOOD Paulers, some of whom are still doing activities within the community.
What they also fail to mention is the former leader was never active! Why do you think the account lapsed in the first place?
meet up organizers
When a meet up organizer decides to quit, the organizer can recommend to meet up any member to take over the web site controls by paying the meet up fee of $72 for 6 months. Meet up will then send notice to that person to pay the bill. If the organizer does not recommend someone and does not pay the meet up fee, then meet up leaves the site open for at least 10 days. During that time anyone who is a member of the group, or who joins the group, can contact meet up and pay the fee and thereby become The Organizer. The Organizer has powers to delete members, turn off emails, rename the group, do all kinds of things that members can not do, because the Organizer has the web site controls. The only way that you, as a meet up member, can prevent an undesirable take over of your meet up group is to stay actively involved in your group. Know your members personally. Visit your meet up site daily. Get to know your Organizer and be aware if that person is ready for a break. Make sure that the group has a follow up person who is ready and willing to take over the controls as organizer. It just might have to be you (happened to me). By all means, remain LOCAL. Have a monthly face to face meeting with your members. Form a fellowship of friends to help each other through the coming chaos, and elect a few conservatives to government!
It's just a little bit like the way politics works, if YOU are not actively involved in your group, you just might wake up someday to find the wrong people have taken over the controls.
Ron Paul or no one at all!