I just got back from seeing I.O.U.S.A. - Featuring Dr. Ron Paul
Did anyone else here go out and see the satellite feed of I.O.U.S.A that featured Dr. Ron Paul?
I just got back and I have to say what an eye-opening movie. It's absolutely astonishing that our country has managed to run up 8 trillion dollars in debt with another 47 trillion dollars of liabilities.
People in the theater could be heard laughing when Dr. Paul appeared on the screen with the "Don't Steal. The Government hates the competition" picture. I wanted to clap loudly and yell out "Go Ron Paul" when he started talking about the devaluation of money but I didn't want to look foolish so instead I just had a silent rejoicing and felt proud of myself for supporting the person who I feel has a grasp on our current fiscal situation and the integrity to actually do something about it.
Many gasps and noises could be heard as the narrator discussed how deeply troubling our future appears if we don't change our current fiscal / leadership directions.
Anyone else see the movie tonight? Have any feed back.
Could have been a two minute movie
Here is all they had to say:
"To save the country, we need to cut government spending. In order to do that, we need to phase out government programs." THE END
When an individual has a problem with debt and they are spending like a drunken sailor, everyone seems to easily grasp that the solution is to *stop spending*. Even someone with a grade five education knows that.
Yet when the government has a problem with debt, people in this movie won't even discuss cutting government programs. All they talk about is increasing taxes, which any economist can tell you will cause the economy to tank. The only way to improve an economy is to cut taxes. We're living in a Bizarro World .
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Make a buck off the newbie conspiracy folk...
And offer no solution and/or a 'trust the government/Fed" solution.
Typical bait and switch stuff for the NWO.
Show me the movie where it says "We the People" are the solution...and I'll show you real change.
Between Young and little bits like this, Ron Paul is losing credibility.
BTW: Is Jesse Ventura really considering being a TV judge?
Heard this was a waste
No mention of the fed, the gold standard and the effects of either.
It was more of a "Save the State" movie. "We need to increase taxes!"
This was one of my concerns after seeing the trailer a while back.
And from what I heard, the root causes of our economic woes were not addressed.
Fed interest rates, fractional reserve banking, deficit spending. Nothing.
Lots of hype for a fluff movie.
Sad.
I.O.U.S.A. Movie:Insider Propaganda Piece
Last night I made a big goof not realizing the IOUSA movie was a scheme of the cabalists to hoodwink Americans concerned about our national debt. Accepting the offered "solutions" from the same people who've created the problems is their mission. I didn't thoroughly read my own links beforehand. Sorry 'bout that. I should have been tipped off as to the ease and distribution they obtained for their 'public service project' when Aaron Russo had to move heaven and earth.
Y'all know about Kissinger's past treachery by now. Buffett though is another matter. Like Soros he's idolized (and hyped) for his 'uncanny' market calls. Being connected to the core of a rotten apple surely helps. His tax-exempt foundation's contributions give us all some insight into his leftist, statist, and anti-capitalist philosophy. Bill Gates has 'seen the light' and is a younger clone of these two.
Peter G. Peterson is the lesser known, but is perhaps the main mover in this production. You can read his impeccable CFR credentials on their web site. He has been the head cheerleader of putting our Social Security system under the NY banks using the pretext of "privatization". You can Google him yourself for more.
In all likelihood you'll see IOUSA on HBO or primetime. It is another tool to get Americans to buy into the suicidal belief that the Federal Reserve should be entrusted to better manage our country's fiscal, monetary, and budgetary oversight. The US Treasury which is now little more than an enforcement arm of the Fed will have greater enforcement powers over citizens, ensuring the prosperity, safety, and political welfare of the elitist few. Is it just coincidental that Bernanke's appeal for additional eavesdropping powers be given the Fed dovetails with the premiere of IOUSA? We'll see.
We don't have to be super patriots, just informed, then act on our own balanced logic, paying attention to our gut instincts. We have the means to effect change that 1776 Americans did not have.
Also see: http://www.solari.com/archive/housing_bill/#PartIX
intersting theory
wouldnt surprise me one bit.
Ron said himself
many months ago (paraphrasing) his campaign was taking off "because of the unpopularity of the war... now if the economy tanks we'll really see something."
We must get people to see IOUSA, even if it isn't a perfect movie. I was there last night and it was like being home. Rounds of applause for our guy, good stuff.
But we're the choir. This movie has the potential to awake the masses (a la' Convenient Truth) and that's when we MUST POSITION the SMALL-GOVT, BIG-LIBERTY SOLUTION as the answer to this problem.
Tell everyone you know about IOUSA, get it some buzz. I told my staff and our company's board leaders about it, all were intrigued. Whether it's IOUSA or Perot's attempts or something else, sheeple will one day soon come to see the problem of the Generational Fiscal Imbalance. We MUST not let kick-the-can-down-the-street solutions out-shout liberty.
-JP
The first 5 million supporters of Dr. Paul are 'early adopters.' The next 10 million will require a modified approach.
well..
this movie seemed to be a scary boogey man story to make the general public more afraid and more willing to let governemnt "fix it".
Thats my fear at least.
People seeing it is reat, just be there for them to answer questions and go deeper than the movie does.
I'll listen to Dave Ramsey over all chicken hawks
This sky-is-falling crap is getting tired.
Building seven fell to demolition? Yes
The US economy collapsing? No
Thanks to Dave Ramsey's program, I paid off all my debt in a few years...fairly easy actually. All I need to live is a mere $2000/month to live (utilities, food, health insurance, etc). I can make that doing part time work.
Maybe, we live in the most luxurious country that ever existed, and yet most people can't enjoy it because they are spoiled, greedy, hyper consumeristic, feel entitlled to severely overpriced crap (big houses, toys, movie popcorn), and, most of all, don't think for themselves.
So some more market bubbles are about to pop? GOOD! That provides great buying opportunities for me!
Anyway, like the movie, Dave and I are definately down with saving like crazy...so if the movie scares people into saving...that is good.
And there are some valid problems with our economy...specifically the Fed loaning us money...but I hear the movie barely touches the Fed...so it sounds like this is just another chicken hawk movie advising people to panic instead of being wise with their own money.
We passed out
We passed out over 400 flyers - on one side was the movie poster - on the other was the write up we had done regarding the solution of abolishing the Federal Reserve. I stood at the entrance and passed them to folks as they sat down and the others from my meetUp walked around the theater and made sure everyone had one - people assumed our group was part of the program. We left them on the cars at the theater and passed them out to all the attendees (there were about 50 people in the theater - 7 were from our meetUp) The people in the theater were very receptive!
During the movie - our hero - Ron Paul received rousing applause from the live audience in the theater! We did an excellent job of politely waking people up. The movie provided the cold hard facts and we were the smiling faces providing a solution. This was a special opportunity, and we must seek out more. I expect to see some new faces at our next meeting due to the effort we put in with this movie. WE DID GOOD!
Oh the on the movie itself. - well it was good because it graphically, and in a medium people could sit and deal with, got the finances in people's face. Naturally it did NOT bring up the true problem - the Federal Reserve itself. This we anticipated - hence the handouts. After reading through this thread - I think we all can agree that Walker was clearly the star.
It would be nice if Ron Paul would announce at his convention that his pick for VP would be Walker!
Bravo!
That is proactive and positive. Thank you for doing something that will potentially wake up a LOT of people. Wow, what a great idea. Peace
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uhmmm...whatever.
it was in over 400 theaters nationwide.
I'd just like to point out
I'd just like to point out that while it is great to read these reviews. You need to be writing them on sites that specializes in movie reviews.
http://www.movietickets.com/movie_detail.asp?movie_id=62471&...
http://movies.yahoo.com/mvc/ecrv?mid=1809963002
Don't be afraid to give critical user reviews. Seriously after only read a few of the latest reviews I'm convinced that most of you could write personal blogs on the subject as well. Then we can digg it up with any luck actually influence the popular view.
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
Whatever...
I can't see it. It's not playing anywhere near my area. If this is supposed to be such an eye opener, why is it only playing in 13 areas?
Fine just tune into the MSM
Fine just tune into the MSM news and don't worry about it. I guess if MSM doesn't put it out across the country it must not be worth watching.
Gee did you ever think there are powerful people who control MSM who have a vested interest in this information not getting wide exposure? Aaah never mind go watch the game nothing to see here... Sigh
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Movie Good, Panel Sucked
It became evident, the panel had agendas.
Move retirement to 70? wtf is that?
The movie pointed out that we import more than we export. AND THAT INCLUDES JOBS. Outsourcing jobs is killing us.
Not once did they discuss that.
How about a tariff on companies that outsource jobs?
I like Buffet but he's an elite, of course he's optimistic, he's a freaking billionaire. Meanwhile, millions lose their homes and the middle class disappears.
The panel discussion started to sound like McCain talking points, live on less.
Their mantra to "save" while good advice is another way of saying, "live within your means", something that is becoming more difficult as the VALUE OF THE DOLLAR steals us blind.
And people clapped about NOT privatizing Social Security? Selfish bastards. It's your busted up bed, you lie in it. You people turning a blind eye is what got us into this mess.
Overall, a worthwhile movie/documentary. Somebody needs to pick up Walker as VP.
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tariffs, outsourcing, and the value of the dollar
While I agree with you that the value of the dollar is one of the main culprits of our current economic situation - easily traced to Fed printing practices and interest rate manipulation - the movie did little to point to the Fed's massive (and KNOWING) involvement in tanking our country. Moving from a gold standard to fiat currency should have been addressed. Our tax money being diverted chiefly to interest that we owe the Fed should have been addressed. Never once did the movie mention that the Federal Reserve is a private bank, profiting from the increased printing of our currency.
Furthermore, outsourcing is NOT "killing us". When a company can produce goods cheaply and ethically, the savings are passed along to consumers like you and me. In the small-scale view, yes, American jobs are lost. However, a far greater good will be gained in having prices driven down through efficient business practice. Efficiency, innovation, and cheap manufacturing costs mean that consumers receive the products they need at the lowest prices possible. Price inflation is a result of the dollar buying less, not unethical companies charging more. And workers losing jobs to outsourcing will be absorbed into other markets if they take proactive responsibility for their own situation and translate their skills to another job opportunity. I suggest Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt, who does a far greater job than me in laying out this argument, as well as presenting the case against tariffs (which ultimately impede fair business practice and raise consumer prices across the board - a lose-lose for both business owners AND consumers).
I disagree that this movie was "worthwhile". The 'solutions' presented were liberal-pandering hogwash. "Just save your money, it's so simple! Hahaha! Pour your money into the banking system! THAT will protect you!"... The Steve Martin/Amy Poehler skit was entertaining and had the audience chuckling - a sense of ease that they already had it all figured out...but there was of COURSE no mention of what might occur should the dollar bottom out completely, or your bank fold - or how such a thing might feasibly occur in the first place. Their next solution: VOTE! (for CHANGE!)...hmm, I wonder whom they might be implicitely endorsing? And there was virtually no solutions presented for how Congress and the Federal Reserve could fix our nation's problems - the real culprits in our collective debacle. All of the piddly savings accounts in this country full of fiat currency will NOT affect our nation's aggregate trade debts and increasing debt to our own Federal Reserve bank. As long as we keep printing money not backed by tangible assets and as long we continue to finance unconstitutional warmongering and social programs with federal funds, our debt will continue to rise. Encouraging well-meaning Americans to save, vote for virtually indistinguishable major party candidates, and willingly prepare for MORE taxes (!!!!!!!!) are NOT solutions. The real solution (on an individual level, at least) would be for those same Americans to research the real sources of our debt problems for themselves, research the major party candidate(s) they deify (and their easily obtained, highly illuminating voting records), and put the pressure on their elected representatives to demand REAL, Ron Paul-esque fiscal conservancy at all levels.
Just my two cents.
Movie was good, panel discussion sucked
Given the tone of the movie, there was WAY too much feel good, America can rise to the challenge sentiment. David Walker was the only one to get close to feisty enough. I think he was right on.
Oh, and "get out there and vote" is worthless as advice. Clearly, the people are not voting for candidates ready to attack this issue in the serious manner it needs to be addressed. Make sure to save is also worthless, since you have to invest in stocks to even keep pace with inflation, and that can only be considered saving over a decades-long time horizon and under the assumption that equities will offer adequate return--something they have historically done, but not necessarily something they will do satisfactorily even over some decades (look at Japan). So that advice is shite too, unless there was a mechanism for stable money.
What I found most disconcerting is that these people talk about make tough, serious decisions, but they refuse to stand behind someone (like Ron Paul) and say, "look, here is the type of politician we need. EVERYONE in America should ask why he is the only one saying these things, and why he is not covered more and essentially shunned by the rest of the political world." But they didn't, in their attempt at non-partisanship. I didn't need an endorsement, but I think a question to the panel along the lines of "While not asking for a political endorsement, who specifically in this campaign cycle talked most about this issue and what could be done to solve it?" would have been appropriate. They would have been forced to answer Ron Paul or be cast as hypocrites.
There were many more old people than young people in the audience where I saw the movie (Mission Valley, CA), and a lot of old, rude people talking during it as well. I didn't expect that.
When everyone clapped at panelists' rhetoric about do-nothing politicians, I just thought to myself, "you don't deserve to clap unless you voted for neither Democrat or Republican, Ron Paul excepted, in the primaries."
Ultimately Pete Peterson is right, sadly. There will be no solution until a crisis hits. There will be no way to "hold the politicians" accountable and "get them to redraw districts to be more competitive", because they're already in. The ones in have to do the redrawing, and you can't vote honest newcomer's in because, the ones in power have to do the re-districting first, and that ain't gonna happen. I see no political solution. I see a crisis that will either rally the people like WWII thus forcing the issue, or just a MASSIVE inflation of the currency that suddenly makes 55 trillion in debt not that big, at the expense of an entire social security check only being able to buy a gallon of milk.
A good tool
Yes the movie did not go far enough to satisfy informed Ron Paul supporters however it will go a long way to waking up the sheeple to the problem then they will be open for us to take them the rest of the way.
Warren Buffet is a waste of skin of course things look rosey when your a billionaire. The AARP guy was an idiot. David Walker gets it IMO but tones it down to appeal to a wider audience. Peterson said some good things but I don't trust him, and the guy from CATO had the SSI right but was wrong on a few other things. I don't trust CATO either since they attacked Ron Paul early in the campaign
Their solutions to save more and not retire until 70 were laughable. But still it will be a good tool to wake up the sheeple to the fact there is a huge problem.
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Bernanke is now playing the CYA game
All of a sudden he is speaking out. Gee, how's that for timing?
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080822/bernanke.html?.v=3
Review by BJ Lawson (includes clips of movie)
Here is a link to BJ Lawson's blog (he is a RP candidate running for Congress in Raleigh, NC) for a pretty in-depth review of the movie:
http://blog.lawsonforcongress.com/2008/08/22/iousanswers/
NC When?
Hey all I was wondering when we in NC will be able to see this... where can I go to find out?
Greg Curry
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Greg Curry
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sorry
Important info left out of I.O.U.S.A
Even though I enjoyed this movie and it did have some good information in it I was a bit disappointed that they didn't go into Fractional Reserve Loaning nor did they address the morality issue of "legal plunder"
If you thought that was eye opening I have two documentaries you need to see, since I don't expect you to watch them all at once, go ahead and bookmark them. The info is worth it.
Money Masters 3hr 30 min
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936
and Money as Debt 47min
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
and for the "legal plunder" which they didn't address we have Frederick Bastiat's the law which is a must read for anyone standing by Dr. Paul's economic policies. http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html (also worth bookmarking)
Nice call on the Money
Nice call on the Money Masters link. Earlier this week someone from work gave me a sticky (that I still have on my monitor) that says I need to check out that video.
You just saved me the whole 30 seconds of looking for the link.
I'm going to watch it now.
I too recommend Money Masters
Also zeitgeist the movie
The Money Masters has a
The Money Masters has a permalink on DP to the right of your screen. There are a few other worthwhile videos too, check 'em out.
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
MONEY MASTERS GUY IS MY NEW BOYFRIEND!!!
Because he educated my pants off!!
At first you'll think he's a geek waving that pen at you - but oh WHAT AN EYE OPENER! I bought a copy and my children - when they get old enough are going to watch this every year like I used to with Wizard of Oz!!!
The film did not represent the cause of the "current" problem
A few observations about the film.
1. This film was propaganda to prepare Americans for the coming economic collapse. They glossed over the fact that the Fed and the monetary policy is the root cause of this. They are blaming it on the politicians for spending and borrowing too much. They are still presenting the Fed and the international bankers and monetary policy as part of the solution. They did not present as an option sound money, shutting down the fed. They spent lots of time at the end backpedaling to avoid a panic regarding Social Security. There is no more Social Security.
2. It totally glossed over the cost of the War on Terror and Homeland security cost and the role it has played in our current debt. Estimates have this debt between 3 –http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html
7 trillion. Iraq war may cost US USD 7 trillion http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=45204§ionid=3510203
3. I also do not believe these future projections for Defense and Homeland Security. That is similar to their initial future projections of the War in Iraq and the War on Terror. They baited the public in with a few hundred billion and now there is no end in sight at several trillion.
4. From the Pentagon alone Rumsfeld reported on 9.10.01 CBS - Rumsfeld 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj1rT4bszWg
5. There were no real speakers except Walker like Peter Schiff, Ron Paul or Jim Rogers. It was evident Buffett either does not understand monetary policy or was playing dumb as a fox. Walker was about to come out of his seat. Buffet and Niskanen were selling a false bill of goods “that this is fine, save your money, the pie will get bigger, etc.” We are heading toward a major economic depression. Get out of the dollar, get out of treasuries. Don’t let them have your money. Jim Rogers on US Economy and the FED
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=airxvVmGnqc
7. Walker has been adamant “We can not grow our way out of this problem” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4yB4nlk_Zw&feature=related
8. Buffet gave a false illusion that we have nothing to fear with foreign nations holding our debt. They failed to mention what happens when the oil producing nations no longer accept dollars and demand oil. Also, by simply flooding the market with US treasuries then value of the dollar will plummet. Then as they American economy tanks, they foreigners flush will dollars will pick up all of our assets for penny on the dollar and they have lots of dollars.
9. Jim Rogers is telling us to flee the dollar. This guys gave us bad advice. They told us we need to save our dollars and buy into US Equities. The problem is that if all of America saves 25% of their earnings while the government is devaluing the currency. You can not save fast enough to keep up with the devaluation.
10. The purpose of wanting Americans to buy Treasuries is so the government can buy up American Corporations. That is fascism. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/washington/14fannieweb.htm...
11. Depression risk might force U.S. to buy assets http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSGOR27660220080212
12. They also failed to discuss buying this entire Credit Default Insurance market - If the fed guarantees the debt in this market it is more than the stock market, treasuries market and GDP. It is impossible. http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2008/02/17/business/200802...
13. Many nations are beginning to discuss refusing to accept the US dollar. Moodys is discussing downgrading US Treasuries Debt to a "B" Rating. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19960126/ai_...
14. Delusions of Debt – The Ron Paul Solution http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/quinn4.html
15. They should have addressed more that we are not dealing with “money” Money Banking and the Federal Reserve http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-466210540567002553
16. Don’t forget Ron Paul’s adamant position to abolish the fed. Abolish The Federal Reserve http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr091002b.htm
17. Fed's Bernanke asks Congress to consider more regulatory authority over markets http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2008/07/10/af...
18. Paulson Urges Expansion Of Fed Power http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20080...
19. Will the US Congress approve a sale of IMF gold to help shore up IMF finances?
http://www.commodityonline.com/news/MostRead/newnews.php?id=...
17 Here a piece “The American Economy is in Deep Trouble and the American People are being sold out” http://files.meetup.com/1148187/The%20American%20Economy%20i...
Good Analysis
I agree with your analysis - but still think the film is a good thing.
A first step in getting people to at least start asking some questions.
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world.
Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has...
John Stevens
Jacksonville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Organizer
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/166/
Movie and the Panelists
The movies was very informative about the problem we are facing with our national debt, our unfunded liabilities, and added a historical context to the problem we are facing now. The movie illustrated that there are four different kinds of problems we are facing besides the deficit in Federal spending. Ron Paul was actually in the movie multiple times. I hope that this helps increase his popularity and power in Congress.
Regarding the panel. I was not all that impressed. I was least impressed with Mr. Buffett and most impressed with Mr. Walker. BTW, David Walker lives on land that once belonged to George Washington in Alexandria, Virginia.
Because of the RP movement I have become a Republican Party Precinct chair. As part of that I have setup a blog to communicate with those in my precinct. Here are a few links to videos with Mr. Walker.
http://www.richardsonrepublican.us/johnpeterson/2008/05/17/d...
http://www.richardsonrepublican.us/johnpeterson/2008/03/15/e...
The first link has an excellent introduction of Mr. Walker by Ross Perot. There are a few facts in there about Mr. Perot that I did not know too. You'll have to watch the video to find out what they are.
The second video is the famous 60-minutes interview where Mr. Walker says the greatest threat to our economy is not a terrorist, but an economic threat. His words are much better than mine...
Anyway, aside from David Walker the panel was not that interesting. That's okay though. It's not their job to fix our country. It's ours. This movie helps identify the problem and it's up to "we the people" to fix it. So bring a friend and get out to see the movie, and tell your damn Congressman you want the debt fixed.
JOhn