"Divisive" - It must be said.

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It appears that I can't read a single post or comment without someone screaming "stop being divisive" (usually misspelled).

So, since this word is getting thrown around a lot. Let's look at some definitions.

Divisive:
1. Indicating division or distribution. --Mede.
2. Creating, or tending to create, division, separation, or difference.
adjective
dissenting (especially dissenting with the majority opinion)

Inidvidualist:
1. a person who shows great independence or individuality in thought or action.
2. an advocate of individualism.

I see consistent personal attacks, argument deflection, and then as a last resort, telling someone to "shut up because you are rocking the boat".

Honest discussion and debate is what is required, not blind subservience to a specific group, even if you see that group as superior in thought or action. This is the trap that many "good" organizations have fallen to and THAT will be the undoing of this movement, NOT someone who doesn't think like everyone else.

Pick your quote, they all mean the same thing -

"When you set out to slay a monster, beware that you don't become the monster that you seek to slay."

"And when you stare persistently into an abyss, the abyss also stares into you."

"One must become a monster to slay a monster."

- Nietzsche

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If you post on a thread where you have no interest in the topic

and basically call a person a thief without any proof whatsoever, is that being an individualist or a divider?

Just curious.

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Once again...

I didn't call him a thief, merely pointed out that dvds4delegates did and that anyone requesting money or volunteers cannot remain anonymous and maintain any credibility.

Once again, here is the post at rpf.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=147378

It's called being honest, and thorough in understanding any situation. Which is of course what I was getting at with this post.

I have one thing to say for

I have one thing to say for this whole entire thread...actually I did not come up with it...but I think it applies:

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

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Exactly...

And an excellent quote...

I am updating the "What do the critics say?"

section of my paper, Gold Does Not Have Intrinsic Value, www.axiomaticeconomics.com/golden_calf.php

I will go live with this at the end of the week but, right now, I would like to share with you my conclusion:

"This [the definition of 'fiat money'] is an on-going debate and readers who wish to weigh in with their thoughts on the subject are invited to do so at the Daily Paul. Here, I would like to thank Michael Nystrom for providing a forum where such discussions are possible and for provoking me to clarify in my own mind the definition of a word that I have used in casual conversation for decades. I was using it in the sense that is compatible with the subjective theory of value and did not realize that I was talking past people who were using it in the other sense.

"In conclusion, I hope that readers will take a minute to send Mr. Nystrom a thank-you note for having helped push economic theory towards greater clarity and substance. It is at forums like the Daily Paul where cutting-edge economics research is introduced and tested against criticism from economists representing a variety of schools – not in the unread pages of dry academic journals."

Seriously, folks, Mr. Nystrom really has done a service for the advancement of economic theory. Let's give him a hand - and let's stop calling people we disagree with "trolls."

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When I update my site,

I will have a new page specifically discussing the subject of trolls.

Check it out - probably this Thursday or Friday. I think the several discussants in this thread will find my new material very interesting.

www.axiomaticeconomics.com/economics_troll.php

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Shaka, you so crazy! www.axiomaticeconomics.com

No, you're not a troll. You're a mooch.

Even worse.

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Why would you say that?

Mooch is defined as "to borrow (a small item or amount) without intending to return or repay it."

I am aware that we disagree on theoretical economics, but I've certainly never borrowed or attempted to borrow money from you or anyone else on this forum.

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Shaka, you so crazy! www.axiomaticeconomics.com

A mooch is a parasite.

You continually mooch off Michael by promoting your commercial site.

Half of DPers probably have a business venture of some kind, however we don't advertise here. Pay for a banner and quit sponging off Michael's good will.

If you have a point to make, make it. Don't make an infomercial out of it.

BTW, Victor, your book is WAY overpriced.

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Your silence is deafening

when the parasites at the Mises Institute hustle their commercial website with posts like this:

"I just discovered that there are audio readings of many valuable books such as Murray Rothbards The Case Against the Fed on the

www.mises.org website.

http://www.youtube.com/us...

I found this spam at www.dailypaul.com/node/59075 but, for some reason, there was not a word of protest from our resident shrew. Yet you screech like a beldam every time I discuss theoretical economics, though I make no mention of my book.

There's no rule that says published authors aren't allowed to participate on forums.

p.s. If you're going to call me a "mooch," then I'm sure you don't mind being called a "shrew." Or would you prefer "whore?" You know, I can play the name-calling game too. You don't have a monopoly on nasty names. Shrew.

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no he's a moron! gold has no

no he's a moron!
gold has no intrinsic value... ?? keynsian public school brainwashings!

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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NO JOKE.

I'd rather see Jones Soda.. At least they weren't bashing gold like some Idiots I've seen.

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I could discuss this with you oruval but first

I need you to read an article on my website which is actually a commercial enterprise. I'm not using the Daily Paul for free advertising though. Just spreading my wisdom.

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You know you almost had me there.

I looked through you links and realized oh yeah I've seen those before..

However I do not think this role will get you an Emmy. But will further your career, hell you never know it may end up getting you a supporting role in a foreign film. Borat like comes to mind.

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This "movement" is comprised of people that don't agree with

each other in very fundamental ways. I can say something that represents one of Ron Paul's positions and be attacked as a "troll" for it, or "divisive," usually because they're unaware that it's one of his positions. This leads me to believe that there's not much holding this "movement" together in the first place. It's especially clear on economic philosophy. When this over, half of this "movement" are going to right back to support socialist candidates, in the mode of Kucinich.

But yeah, instead of calling people names and telling them not to rock the boat, the best policy is just to engage in debate. That's how people learn. Why is someone a "troll" it they say something controversial? It's especially disturbing that among the things that considered controversial here, and that really upset people, are things that are consistent with Dr. Paul's philosophy.

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Holy crap...

All I see below are useless personal attacks against one another. I was not privy to the original conversation and have no intentions of chiming in on it.

But what I would say, is that I doubt anyone involved in the conversation is a troll, and if you take a step back and can agree that two people given the same set of facts can arrive at different conclusions then you might be able to begin a productive or at least cordial conversation/debate.

As an example, me and Kevin Tuma have vehemently disagreed in the past (however, I think that it was because he misunderstood the nature of what I was trying to say and took it as an attack), however, we do agree on this, and can agree on other things (as I have seen from some of his other posts). Disagreement is beneficial to both people if they are inclined to an honest exchange of opinions and beliefs without insisting that the other one come to their way of thinking.

In every debate or conversation, both people should be able to walk away changed from the experience.

Gosh I'm so tired of divisive exchange

and I've got one two things to say about change.. Like the change we must change to the change we hold dear.. OHH I really like change have I made myself clear... LOL

Keep up the good work chump.

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There you go again Oruval ...

you are writing something that is a direct quote that should be attributed to the author.

WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994

not really.

Hey I don't think you have bumped your playing with myself thread lately.

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What do you mean not really ...

do you wish for me to provide the source of exactly what you wrote?

WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994

WAHOT

We all have our trolls.

I was making a joke off the jib jab video.. You know like reading back a joke line from a commercial..

You aren't getting paid enough are you.. Its starting to get to you isn't it. It's starting to show.

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Hey for real

It's cool you can leave it at exploding Styrofoam for all I care. Asshat.

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Or Maybe Exploding Dendrites rhino???

since is seems yours don't function worth a whit, twit.

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okay okay.

Okay we need to be careful... No need to change our roles.. to Trolls like rhino.. SEEE I can rhyme too.. lol.

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I don't know you people...

...but I wanted to post something really narrow.

Ahhh-hemm

A troll is someone who comes here...sets up a soapbox with another candidates name on it...sets their rod in it's holder...throttles back a bit...and then bothers the shit out of the rest of us with their diatribes about fairness and acceptance of their asinine opinions.

Sound familiar?

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Well said, Megelsman! Trolls

Well said, Megelsman!

Trolls know who they are.

Yes they do...

And of course...they'll all chime in and whine under this thread.

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