Ron Paul is for the abolition of antitrust laws.
I keep getting attacked, insulted, and called names on here when I say that antitrust laws should not exist and price-fixing should be legal. This is ironic, because I thought this was a Ron Paul website.
Ron Paul believes "we ought to get rid of these laws". Watch this video with Ron Paul and follow free market economist Armentano: http://www.lppgh.org/2008/02/20/antitrust-laws-actually-prom...
If you're for free markets, then, properly understood, that's supposed to mean you're against government regulation of markets. To prohibit price-fixing is a violation of private property rights and freedom of contract. And besides, price-fixing agreements are difficult to keep in place for any significant length of time. Only government force can truly maintain a fix on prices.
"The prohibitions on contracting contained in the Sherman antitrust laws are based on a flawed economic theory which holds that federal regulators can improve upon market outcomes by restricting the rights of certain market participants deemed too powerful by the government. In fact, anti-trust laws harm consumers by preventing the operation of the free-market, causing prices to rise, quality to suffer." -Ron Paul http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=644
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Governments create monopolies.
The usual justification for antitrust laws is that without them, producers will consolidate into monopolies, which can then charge whatever they want for their product, and we'll be helpless to resist.
The truth is, that the only coercive monopolies that have ever existed, which could exclude their competition, have been those that were created by a government. The East India Tea Company, the AT&T Bell System, etc.
The only example I know of, of a monopoly that existed in the market without a government setting it up was Alcoa aluminum, which had a period of several decades when they were the only producer of aluminum in the united states.
During the period of their monopoly, the price of aluminum *fell* by a large amount, because as it happens, there are very few applications for which aluminum is the only possible choice. Steel, copper, magnesium, titanium, and many others are viable alternatives.
The trusts that Teddy Roosevelt was supposedly attacking were the Wall Street money manipulators, who were basically the first companies in this country to live on government favors.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
Right, and a coercive monopoly
is by definition one that is able to raise prices with impunity and price-gouge the customer. That wasn't the case for Alcoa, because the only way it could prevent competition was to keep prices low.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
Ron Paul....
Is for free markets....or at least that is my understanding, please correct me if I am wrong.
Exactly,
but some here still haven't figured out what that means. A free market is a market without government intervention unless there is force or fraud involved. There is no force or fraud involved when people conspire to price fix.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
And Free Market...
Includes banks...no more government bailouts, no more consumer bailouts, if these folks do not understand written english, or the documents they are signing when purchasing a home, and the lenders are stupid enough to give them a loan, to hell with them, we the US tax paying citizens should not be held responsible for their stupidity, nor should we have to pay to bail them out. The wallstreeters should not be bailed out at the taxpayers expense either, they should have to feel the pain of losing their money just as most of the folks that have their 401k's invested in their crapping investments.
So what's your point?
Although I do agree that all of Ron Paul's thoughts on this are very libertarian thinking and this is what he thinks, I am wondering what your motive is in bringing this up. Is it to promote division or to actually provide education and information? That is really the crux of it. You have a lot to say and a lot of it is very logical and educational. However, that is not what I am concerned about. What is your motive here at the DailyPaul? Is your motive to promote Ron Paul or your own agenda? Be honest. You have only been here five weeks and you are the "authority" now. Where were you when we were actually rolling up our sleeves and getting our hands dirty? This is not promoting the movement if all it is is promoting your agenda.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Healthnut4freedom
The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
My point is to promote liberty.
Including economic liberty.
What was Ron Paul's point to saying these things? Same as mine.
If making Dr. Paul's positions known bring divisions, so be it, because his presidential campaign is over. The philosophical divisions already existed among us.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
If Liberty
is what your promoting, then why support Bob Barr? You know, the same guy that voted for the first USA Patriot Act, the most tyrannical piece of legislation ever passed...Just a question.
BTW it's not over until the election!!
"We dare not forget that we are heirs of that first revolution" -JFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERLtsBIqDg
If Liberty is what Paul is promoting
then why has he said he supports Bob Barr as well?
Do the math. Bob Barr promotes liberty too.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
I personally will support a third party if not Ron Paul...
but I must say I will only support a third party that Ron Paul endorses at a public forum, maybe it will be during the Rally for the Republic, but my guess it will be Baldwin since he is already listed as a speaker. If it is Barr, so be it, he will have my vote. My vote is for Ron Paul or the individual he endorses, or the one that is closest to my views of small government, less taxes, and the return of our liberties, and our government returning to our Constitution.
Perhaps you should do the math
Unfortunately, when you run out of fingers and toes to count on, your math will be over. Look on the bright side, you can count to twenty; just look how fast you are learning.
Bob W., Naples, FL
Dr. Paul
promotes Liberty with his votes. Like I said before...those who voted the first time for the USA Patriot Act should be thrown in jail, those who voted for it the second time should be hanged!!
What your not understanding is, (and I can't speak for everyone else) I don't have to agree with Ron Paul on EVERYTHING, and I'm ok with that because Ron Paul is who I'm voting for, so stop with your psycobable bullshit!!
But I'm glad that you feel good voting for someone that supported a piece of shit legislation that ended some, if not most, of our Constitutional Rights/Liberties!!!
Thanks for dodging the question...
"We dare not forget that we are heirs of that first revolution" -JFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERLtsBIqDg
No, we pretty much all agree here that government is bad.
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If that were really true,
then there wouldnt be people arguing against me on this site when I say I'm for government to not regulate businesses for antitrust and break up alleged monopolies.
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Then why are subsidies fine?
You don't seem to have a problem with those.
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I never said subsidies were fine.
I don't consider tax breaks to be subsidies, which apparently you do. But you're wrong. A subsidy would be taking money from you and me and giving it to Wal-Mart. Simply allowing them to pay less taxes is not a subsidy. It's just the government taking less away from them.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
The city bought land and gave it to WalMart. Hello?
I shared my Meetups with you. You don't share? : (
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Can you prove it?
By some other means than the unsourced website you gave?
And if the government did give them land, that would indeed be a subsidy. I already said I don't support subsidies, so I don't know what your point is.
But, if they did get a subsidy, you're still losing focus on who you should really be attacking. It should be the government, for giving subsidies. It's natural that a business is going to try to get whatever it can from the government.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
Semantic bullshit
They pay less than others in the same position, therefore it IS a subsidy. It is just a negative subsidy instead of a positive one.
So if the government lowers everyones taxes
then we've all been given a subsidy. That's ridiculous.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
Sophistry, and again, bullshit
Stop lying and spreading your idiotic crap! The subsidy comes in the SPECIAL treatment accorded Wal-Mart; when anyone receives special treatment to their benefit, that IS a subsidy!
You are truly evil, I am convinced of it now.
Yes they have received special treatment.
But special treatment alone does make a subsidy. They've been given special treatment on tax breaks. A tax break is not a subsidy.
The fact that the government gave them a tax break, but not others, is not something to condemn THEM for. You should be condemning GOVERNMENT for not giving everyone a tax break. You're fighting against the wrong entity. They're just doing what all businesses should be doing - trying to lower their taxes. You should be attacking government, not business.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
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I happen to know that your mommy was a slut, but there is a time and place to bring up everything. Oops, did I slip and tell one of your secrets? So sorry, my bad.
Bob W., Naples, FL
Why won't you answer the question?
Where were you during the campaign?
Many of us have laughed, fought, informed, and cried together for months and now you come to educate us?
We've had pajeff, pajeff2, onevoiceofreason and many others. They all came in like lambs and ended up wolves.
Excuse us if we're curious. We've seen it before.
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I was out holding signs,
going to meetups, fundraisers, etc.
Excuse me for not "cying" with you here. That's not my thing.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
Crying is "not your thing",
Crying is "not your thing", but lying is, apparently.
Go blow your conformist, statist crap on a more gullible audience --- we see you for what you are, and it is NOT a friend of freedom.
Which Meetup?
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He can't state that, but....
.....his meetup's initials are CFR.
Bob W., Naples, FL