and more important than water, is water filters. Instead of storing water, water filters may prove to be more invaluable. Dry food goods should also be stored. Guns and ammunition are a necessity.
Submitted by Kevin Tuma on Thu, 08/28/2008 - 19:12.
Water filters are good, but you don't need them if you chlorinate with bleach and/or boil. In the Sun Belt, I believe actually storing large amounts of fresh water in advance is a better idea. But water filters are a good thing.
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Out of curiosity, I took a brief look at defense section in that manual, and intend to analyze the rest of it in more depth later. First impression: DO NOT take everything in that thing as credible. 3 minutes in and I already discredit a lot of it. Some examples:
Pg 146 – Shotguns
“… when you fire a shotgun at close range it is impossible to miss…” This is outright WRONG. You can miss, and under stress, you likely will. The shot cup holds the pattern together for about 20 feet, depending on the load. The spread has a general rule of one foot of travel per inch of shot spread. Anyone who has taken basic hunter safety (at least in my state) should have been taught this.
An ounce of shot at room distance even with no choke is no more different than using a slug. It is insufficient distance to spread the shot pattern. I demonstrate this in the killhouse and static ranges in every defensive shotgun class I teach.
“gun shows are always a good place to shop for deals on ammo.” This is only half true. Gun shows are a good place to find a deal and keep things off the books, but it’s also a good place to get ripped- the hell- off. If you don’t know what you’re looking at- take someone with you who does (preferably a gunsmith you know or an instructor of reputable stature). Let the buyer beware.
As far as the choices of firearms for ladies, etc… Most of this is incorrect, or some of it is correct but leaves out important details. I do not have the time to write all of it out right now, but if there’s a demand, maybe I’ll write something later. I teach a lot of ladies to shoot, and there is much more involved than what is stated. The only thing they stated in there I can get behind is to seek good training. That much they have right.
But I offer some advice as an instructor with 23 years of experience- be careful what you read both in these manuals, and what you read here from people- most of them I have seen are just as ignorant or misinformed on the subject as the person seeking knowledge.
I have no doubt in my mind that Martial Law will occur once they attack Iran(or some other major emergency like flue pandemic)
All legislation is set in place...
How can we defend ourselves our families?
Now first by informing others
and making preparations to resist.
How can several thousand neo-cons conquer the nation of 300 million people + Canadians like me also against NWO NAU...
that the NRA sued New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin (and others) over this illegal confiscation of fire arms ...I'm not sure if/how it has ended...it was determined to be illegal at the time but Nagin continued with the confiscation so the lawsuit is centered around his ignoring court orders...
Submitted by pawnstorm12 on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 15:58.
I hope that little old woman they roughed up sues them for millions. Only problem is, it will be taxpayer money, not theirs, that is at stake. It seems to me she could have legally shot anyone who entered her home uninvited-especially considereing they came bearing arms.
Pawnstorm
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It's worth noting that this guy Jeremy in the video is actually saying that the poor in New Orleans were within their rights to loot goods from privately owned stores. The "evil" rich bring in mercenaries to guard their hotel chain or stores (shame on them for owning property! Bad socialist.) In other words, if a disaster happens the best thing to do is smash windows and loot! As with most Socialists, he has a very poor understanding of private property rights.For the record, when I saw video of looting they weren't taking food, they were taking DVD players, clothing, beer, electronics, etc... The constitution clearly allows for private security and even militias. Post 9-11, Ron Paul himself advocated sending in mercenaries after Al Queda (surgical, precise target) rather than sending the US army against several entire nations. He advocated letters of marque to keep the mercenaries in line. Ron Paul is right on the money - better to spend less and target a specific enemy rather than kill thousands with the government army the way we have. Also worth noting is that Blackwater arrived *before* FEMA. Private enterprise is usually superior.
If a person is starving I have no problem with him taking food from a trashed grocery store that would have rotted and gone to waste. Property rights be damned in that situation. It's more like dumpster diving than stealing.
I'm totally against private mercenaries. I'm all for a "socialist" military.
Only a crackpot ideologue would deny food to starving people and advocate armed thugs patrolling the streets under orders from the highest bidder.
Some people take the theory too far and need to come back down to Earth.
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Submitted by Libera_me on Thu, 08/28/2008 - 18:17.
but did you read what the poster above said was being taken? DVD players, electronics, etc. Do the property owners themselves have the right to protect their food,and other property? Many people would say we will donate food, just don't come and steal it-especially when it comes to mom and pop owned stores.
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Submitted by MichiganJack on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 10:35.
Gun Owners of America is the "no compromise" gun rights group. Michigan members endorsed Ron Paul by something like 95% at last year's Michigan GOP Leadership Conference with McCain, Giuliani, Romney and Thompson also present.
A Louisiana legislator introduced a state bill that will prohibit the confiscation of fire arms during a natural disaster. Jindal said what happened in New Orleans during the aftermath of Katrina will never happen again under his watch. I don't know if it has passed yet, but it was expected to pass.
Submitted by samadamscw on Tue, 08/26/2008 - 22:10.
Gustav is coming. I wonder if Jindal will allow confiscation again?
ALERT***
ANY PERSON, ATTEMPTING TO FORCEABLY ENTER MY PROPERTY WITHOUT A WARRANT OR PROBABLE CAUSE OF THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME, OR ATTEMPTING TO DISARM ME WITHOUT THE SAME, WILL BE SHOT DEAD.
ANY PERSON.
A sworn officer who trespasses for the purpose of violation of property and/or assaults a citizen who is lawfully armed at once ceases to be acting under any pretense of authority. His actions are wholly unlawful and without any sanction from their inception. Upon this egregious violation of their sworn oath of office, any such person ceases to be an officer protected by law, and becomes a criminal assailant intent on willful destruction, conversion, and theft of property, or loss of life.
Put it in a pastic sleave and post it on the front of your property. Everywhere on the property. THe door the fence, the car, the back yard. Hell cover your whole house with that. When the martial law comes and those who would strip away your Rights invades your property atleast you warned they.
With 80 million + gun owners, if we just get ONE of them apiece they don't have enough warm bodies to go around.
If or when the time comes I'll get my ONE!
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Those kind of confiscations in times of the greatest need, are a major reason why everyone, everywhere ought to have several guns and lots of ammo. Hidden in different spots in the house, behind wallboards, buried in sealed pvc pipe in the yard etc.
Even those who are uncomfortable with guns per se. Just the mere act of possession, by large numbers of citizens, serve as useful deterrent, by making the act of disarming any meaningful part of the populace so much harder.
Submitted by letushope on Tue, 08/26/2008 - 20:58.
the Executive Order that allows Michigan National Guard to be redoplyed to Florida and Georgia National Guard to be redoployed to Minnesota or whatever combination so that they don't have to kill their aunts, uncles, cousins etc.
They will be less sensative if it's not thier home state.
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The national guard of that state should be in charge of defending the state, and in case of emergency, they should have the power to call other states to help.
The federal government is too big to efficiently mobilize to help a state.
Of course, this would be much easier ifthe national guard was still in the nation...
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Make no violent
Make no violent proclamations but arm yourselves, not only with guns, but the more important necessities: water, food, ammunition.
Nothing may happen but with the New World Order any option is "on the table".
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Agreed,
and more important than water, is water filters. Instead of storing water, water filters may prove to be more invaluable. Dry food goods should also be stored. Guns and ammunition are a necessity.
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Water filters are good, but
Water filters are good, but you don't need them if you chlorinate with bleach and/or boil. In the Sun Belt, I believe actually storing large amounts of fresh water in advance is a better idea. But water filters are a good thing.
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Support the Constitution of the United States
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5 year supply of food
water
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Out of curiosity, I took a brief look at defense section in that manual, and intend to analyze the rest of it in more depth later. First impression: DO NOT take everything in that thing as credible. 3 minutes in and I already discredit a lot of it. Some examples:
Pg 146 – Shotguns
“… when you fire a shotgun at close range it is impossible to miss…” This is outright WRONG. You can miss, and under stress, you likely will. The shot cup holds the pattern together for about 20 feet, depending on the load. The spread has a general rule of one foot of travel per inch of shot spread. Anyone who has taken basic hunter safety (at least in my state) should have been taught this.
An ounce of shot at room distance even with no choke is no more different than using a slug. It is insufficient distance to spread the shot pattern. I demonstrate this in the killhouse and static ranges in every defensive shotgun class I teach.
“gun shows are always a good place to shop for deals on ammo.” This is only half true. Gun shows are a good place to find a deal and keep things off the books, but it’s also a good place to get ripped- the hell- off. If you don’t know what you’re looking at- take someone with you who does (preferably a gunsmith you know or an instructor of reputable stature). Let the buyer beware.
As far as the choices of firearms for ladies, etc… Most of this is incorrect, or some of it is correct but leaves out important details. I do not have the time to write all of it out right now, but if there’s a demand, maybe I’ll write something later. I teach a lot of ladies to shoot, and there is much more involved than what is stated. The only thing they stated in there I can get behind is to seek good training. That much they have right.
But I offer some advice as an instructor with 23 years of experience- be careful what you read both in these manuals, and what you read here from people- most of them I have seen are just as ignorant or misinformed on the subject as the person seeking knowledge.
We should not leave the country,
We should make the Neocons leave the country.
This is OUR country. This country does not belong to the corporations, it belongs to honest hard working Americans.
And I share the poster's disgust of the blackwater situation.
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Why do I have to wait to watch this to think of leaving the country.
Just found out today one of my respected colleagues is leaving his post (at an oil refinery) to join....of ALL things...the NSA!!!!
man that fried my brain.
Total marshal law
how are we suppose to deal with this? If we own guns they will shoot, beat, or arrest us? This is the police state. Mexico is starting to look good...
this is how it will be when Iran is attacked
I have no doubt in my mind that Martial Law will occur once they attack Iran(or some other major emergency like flue pandemic)
All legislation is set in place...
How can we defend ourselves our families?
Now first by informing others
and making preparations to resist.
How can several thousand neo-cons conquer the nation of 300 million people + Canadians like me also against NWO NAU...
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I believe
that the NRA sued New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin (and others) over this illegal confiscation of fire arms ...I'm not sure if/how it has ended...it was determined to be illegal at the time but Nagin continued with the confiscation so the lawsuit is centered around his ignoring court orders...
Unbelievable...
I hope that little old woman they roughed up sues them for millions. Only problem is, it will be taxpayer money, not theirs, that is at stake. It seems to me she could have legally shot anyone who entered her home uninvited-especially considereing they came bearing arms.
Pawnstorm
"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul
Not as clear as many think
It's worth noting that this guy Jeremy in the video is actually saying that the poor in New Orleans were within their rights to loot goods from privately owned stores. The "evil" rich bring in mercenaries to guard their hotel chain or stores (shame on them for owning property! Bad socialist.) In other words, if a disaster happens the best thing to do is smash windows and loot! As with most Socialists, he has a very poor understanding of private property rights.For the record, when I saw video of looting they weren't taking food, they were taking DVD players, clothing, beer, electronics, etc... The constitution clearly allows for private security and even militias. Post 9-11, Ron Paul himself advocated sending in mercenaries after Al Queda (surgical, precise target) rather than sending the US army against several entire nations. He advocated letters of marque to keep the mercenaries in line. Ron Paul is right on the money - better to spend less and target a specific enemy rather than kill thousands with the government army the way we have. Also worth noting is that Blackwater arrived *before* FEMA. Private enterprise is usually superior.
Register as Republican and Vote for Ron Paul
If a person is starving I
If a person is starving I have no problem with him taking food from a trashed grocery store that would have rotted and gone to waste. Property rights be damned in that situation. It's more like dumpster diving than stealing.
I'm totally against private mercenaries. I'm all for a "socialist" military.
Only a crackpot ideologue would deny food to starving people and advocate armed thugs patrolling the streets under orders from the highest bidder.
Some people take the theory too far and need to come back down to Earth.
----------
Liberty for Dummies
----------
Democrats want to be your mommy.
Republicans want to be your daddy.
Libertarians want to treat you like an adult.
I understand your point...
but did you read what the poster above said was being taken? DVD players, electronics, etc. Do the property owners themselves have the right to protect their food,and other property? Many people would say we will donate food, just don't come and steal it-especially when it comes to mom and pop owned stores.
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
Good reason to consider GOA membership
Gun Owners of America is the "no compromise" gun rights group. Michigan members endorsed Ron Paul by something like 95% at last year's Michigan GOP Leadership Conference with McCain, Giuliani, Romney and Thompson also present.
http://www.gunowners.org/
new legislation supported by Jindal
A Louisiana legislator introduced a state bill that will prohibit the confiscation of fire arms during a natural disaster. Jindal said what happened in New Orleans during the aftermath of Katrina will never happen again under his watch. I don't know if it has passed yet, but it was expected to pass.
Katrina: what we were not supposed to learn/see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epwpnMztkM0
and a 10 minute excerpt from Greg Palast's Big Easy to Big Empty:
http://tinyurl.com/5tqjdz
Malone Labe
Gustav is coming. I wonder if Jindal will allow confiscation again?
ALERT***
ANY PERSON, ATTEMPTING TO FORCEABLY ENTER MY PROPERTY WITHOUT A WARRANT OR PROBABLE CAUSE OF THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME, OR ATTEMPTING TO DISARM ME WITHOUT THE SAME, WILL BE SHOT DEAD.
ANY PERSON.
A sworn officer who trespasses for the purpose of violation of property and/or assaults a citizen who is lawfully armed at once ceases to be acting under any pretense of authority. His actions are wholly unlawful and without any sanction from their inception. Upon this egregious violation of their sworn oath of office, any such person ceases to be an officer protected by law, and becomes a criminal assailant intent on willful destruction, conversion, and theft of property, or loss of life.
MALONE LABE ASSHOLES.
Print that out
Put it in a pastic sleave and post it on the front of your property. Everywhere on the property. THe door the fence, the car, the back yard. Hell cover your whole house with that. When the martial law comes and those who would strip away your Rights invades your property atleast you warned they.
errrrrr
Taking guns from citizens. Allowing the swine to loot and leaving home owners defenseless.
FUCK THAT.
'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul
With 80 million + gun
With 80 million + gun owners, if we just get ONE of them apiece they don't have enough warm bodies to go around.
If or when the time comes I'll get my ONE!
"You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning." --Andrew Jackson,
1828
“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”
-Sam Adams
I'm sure you will..
and your signature is delightful!
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But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
that sig
Rocks
'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul
Those kind of confiscations
Those kind of confiscations in times of the greatest need, are a major reason why everyone, everywhere ought to have several guns and lots of ammo. Hidden in different spots in the house, behind wallboards, buried in sealed pvc pipe in the yard etc.
Even those who are uncomfortable with guns per se. Just the mere act of possession, by large numbers of citizens, serve as useful deterrent, by making the act of disarming any meaningful part of the populace so much harder.
I am not shocked after learning about
the Executive Order that allows Michigan National Guard to be redoplyed to Florida and Georgia National Guard to be redoployed to Minnesota or whatever combination so that they don't have to kill their aunts, uncles, cousins etc.
They will be less sensative if it's not thier home state.
THIS IS NOW LAW!
IF YOU'RE NOT PUKING YOU SHOULD ATLEAST BE GAGGING!
!!!Truth is treason in the EMPIRE OF LIES!!!
" Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of they day; but a series of oppresssions...pursued unalterably, through every change of ministers, too plainly proove delibrate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery..."
Tho
I'm with you
The national guard of that state should be in charge of defending the state, and in case of emergency, they should have the power to call other states to help.
The federal government is too big to efficiently mobilize to help a state.
Of course, this would be much easier ifthe national guard was still in the nation...
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
http://www.youshouts.com/index.php
I can agree with you here.
Now if we could only figure out black water.
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