Sheriff gets APC with 50 cal machine gun...

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"The Richland County, South Carolina Sheriff's Department just obtained an armored personnel carrier, complete with a belt-fed, .50-cal turreted machine gun"...

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128482.html

... must be something in the water....

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I wonder

if the sheriff has an opinion on the constitutionality of a central bank.

tanks& guns

What they have can be pried from their hands. They are human too

American's right to bear any sort of Arms that could defend

against such weaponry, have been stripped. The right of even the most law abiding citizen to legally own or make any sort of explosive has been completely outlawed - only the controlling government trusts itself to have such power.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson, author of the United States Declaration of Independence (1776), third President of the United States.

Ron Paul's Convention Speech

Oh, for god's sake...

..just take it when they're in getting donuts.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Glad to see somebody is thinking

along the lines of asymetrical warfare.

For more ideas, see my Sniper Tactics.

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sabotage...

...where does it fuel up?

bit of hydrochoric in the barrel, bit of sugar in the tank.

oh, let the medicine go down.

YEE HAWWW!!!

Let's mow down civilians like it's going out of style. Spray and pray baby! Bad boys... bad boys... whatcha gonna do? Watcha gonna do when they come for you?

I guess they are going to a

I guess they are going to a war.
"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."

"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."

Yeah Right O.K.

Whilst you guys 'er boastin' about your great knowledge concerning this weaponry.

Anyway, WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOIN' WITH THIS THING!

Why, the extravagance?

Just

dandy

SSgT_AF Says

Do not engage the target. Instead setup a recon to figure out where they park that thing and when it is park take it out. If sheriff small is terrorizing the local hood with this thing do not take it head on. Take it out while its asleep. What are you morons? One APC in a town. ONE! Sabatoge the thing over a direct confrontation not only saves lives but free's up anyone not caught from engagement to do other things. Shaka you so crazy.

Who said " war is a wonderful idea to those who have never experience it"
Any way on that note why note run for the office that controls the sheriff. Then you can control the APC.

"Shaka you so crazy."

No I'm not! Well, okay, maybe a little.

Sabotaging their APC is a fine idea. I love sabotage!

For instance, when I was attending grad school in Reno I lived in Carson City, which is about 30 miles away and seperated by a long, straight highway in which it was very easy to get going fast on. Unfortunately, the sheriff patrolled this stretch of highway with an airplane - at least they did until some asshole (I can't imagine who) went to the airport at night and burned their plane.

However, I think your plan has one teensy little flaw:

They park their APC in an underground garage at the police station, which is a big concrete building with, like, dozens of cops in it. Unless you're planning an "I'll be back," Terminator-style assault, reaching that APC while it's parked is probably not feasible. (Rolling a 55-gallon drum of ANFO down the ramp into their underground garage won't take out the APC, but it will certainly get their full attention.)

Here's a trick that worked for the South Africans:

Every night there was a curfew at 1700 hours. Anybody caught out at night would be shot on sight. This was not an idle threat: At exactly 1700 hours, the gates of the police station opened and an APC rolled out.

Then, one day, the gates opened and, before the APC could move an inch, a sniper put a bullet through the driver's 2" view port. The gates immediately closed and it was hours later before they got the blood and brains cleaned out of their APC, found another driver and hit the streets.

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Finally one patriot...

with an idea that will get those bastards attention.

lol

lol

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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Thermite burns very hot

but it is hard to ignite. You must put magnesium on top of the thermite and ignite that. You cannot ignite it just by sticking a detonator into a loose pile of the stuff as the guys in the video are shown doing.

Also, you need a spacer between the thermite and the object you are burning through so the thermite has time to begin burning thoroughly before it starts to drip down into its target.

Setting the device on the car's hood served this purpose for these guys. But it's something to remember if you are going to destroy an artillery piece or a tank or something. A large block of steel, especially in cold weather, acts like a heat sink and can extinguish the thermite before it reaches full combustion.

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that was pretty

I was thinking a piece of welding rod inconspicuously attached to the inside of the barrel, but your idea has more, er, bang.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

John F Kennedy

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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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a little bit

renders artillary launchers useless

Only cowards use inappropriate force...

Even in the old west... sheriffs realized the best tool for combating crime was using their very own head.

Getting to know the community, intigrating the peace officers into the community is the best way to police the community.

That's why for hundreds of years the British police never carried firearms... they wanted to be approachable... and for hundreds of years crime was low in England... now that the English have adopted police tactics similar to the American bully tactics...crime is soaring...

Mike
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Mike
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Background on the M113

The M113 went into production in 1960 with a gasoline engine. This was disastrous. The gas tank was on the bottom with almost no armor and just about any explosive down there would set the vehicle on fire. In 1964 they came out with a diesel engine (six cylinder, water-cooled, 212 bhp @ 2800rpm), which was a big improvement. The M113 can be holed with a 12.7 mm (.50 BMG), which is a pea-shooter on a modern battlefield, though somewhat rare in 1964 Vietnam. Expedient ANFO box bombs will flip the vehicle over.

The M113 has a crew of two (commander/gunner and driver) and can carry eleven soldiers. Its only weapon is the Ma Deuce (12.7 mm MG) mounted on top. It carries 2000 rounds of ammunition. In an urban environment where shots can come from any direction, the gunner has almost no protection from snipers. There is a rectangular hatch behind him and the gun itself provides some protection from the front. But, realistically, that’s the vehicle commander and, if he has any sense, he’s going to focus on getting his eleven passengers to their destination rather than on actually shooting anybody himself.

Quite frankly, putting a Ma Deuce on top of an M113 is a bit like putting lipstick on a gorilla. The ammunition is bulky (2000 rounds isn’t much) for use against people and it is ineffective for use against anything but civilian vehicles. No modern military except Norway uses the M113 as a fighting vehicle and the Norwegians don’t arm them with 12.7 mm MGs. Their NM135 has a small turret with a 20mm cannon and a 7.62 mm MG. Their NM142 has two TOW missiles. FYI: Wire-guided missiles like the TOW are ineffective against motorcycles because they are not impact-detonated. They fly over the top of the target and a magnet signals a shaped charge to detonate downwards, but there is not enough iron in a motorcycle to trip the magnet.

The M113 is widely used in support roles where it is not expected to come in direct contact with the enemy. There are many variants: the M106 has a 107mm mortar, the M125 has an 81mm mortar, the M163 has a 20mm Vulcan air defense system, the M548 is a cargo carrier, the M577 is a command post with a higher roof, etc. By 1999 there were over 76,000 M113s and its variants in service and they continue to be built (mostly in Italy) and maintained today. Most are in banana republics, though a few can be found in American sheriff’s departments, where they are used for propaganda purposes. The M113 can be fitted with a dozer blade and used for ramming houses – it is not powerful enough to actually level a house, but a couple of bumps is often enough to convince the residents that it is time to call it quits.

Flat-top, turret-less vehicles were originally designed during WWI for trench warfare. They carried a wooden bridge on top and, when they encountered a trench, the soldiers dismounted, bodily threw their bridge over the trench, drove their vehicle across, tossed the bridge back on top, re-mounted and continued on their merry way. In actual practice, you could probably count on one hand the number of trenches that were breached in this manner. More trenches were breached by the simple expedient of driving into it so one’s comrades could drive over the top of one’s vehicle – also, on could push disabled vehicles into the trench and drive over them.

In my opinion, WWI was the last time that armored personnel carriers were really a good idea. If they had had reliable engines that were powerful enough to consistently propel the vehicles through mud, breaching trenches would have worked. In those days, all soldier’s rifles as well as heavy machine guns like the Maxim were .30-caliber, which could not penetrate steel armor, though they sometimes drove a bolt into the interior of a vehicle. Large, single-shot rifles like the .55 Boys were developed but, with more powerful engines, it was soon possible to carry enough armor to stop any weapon of the time that was capable of engaging a moving vehicle. If the M113 had been available during WWI, it would have turned the tide, even without its Ma Deuce.

But modern battlefields have been littered with the wreckages of APCs. Really, they’re deathtraps. Even if, as civilians, you do not have the means to destroy the vehicles, motorcycle-mounted snipers can run circles around them. If you encounter an M113, just shoot the commander when he sticks his head out of the hatch. The real danger is not the Ma Deuce but the eleven guys inside; so fire from far enough away that you are out of range of the SAW that they will have when they dismount. But beware: The M106 with its 107mm mortar or the M125 with its 81mm mortar are quite dangerous in urban combat. Escaping from shelling is one reason why I recommend motorcycles.

In conclusion, don’t panic because your local sheriff has an M113 with a Ma Deuce on top. When he acquires the variant with a mortar tube, then it’s time to think about panicking.

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If I remember correctly

the M-113's armor is mostly a hardened aluminum and My M-1 firing an armor piercing round should be able to go through it and bounce around on the inside a little.

my barrett 416 will do the

my barrett 416 will do the trick from 2 miles away! lol

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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The Barrett 416 is a fine cartridge.

In my opinion, it is a much better chambering for snipers than the .50 BMG, which is used primarily for destroying land mines at relatively close (100 yards or so) distances. Civilians don't have to do that but might, conceivably, want to make 2500-yard shots, which the 416 can do.

However, penetrating an M113 from two miles away is a bit of an exaggeration. All of Federal's 180-grain .30-06 ammunition has 2914 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle, which is not enough to penetrate the M113, though it is not far off. (Federal ammunition that uses solid brass bullets made by Barnes is comparable in composition to the solid brass bullets made by Barrett.) I do not know exactly what is required, but 3710 ft-lbs of energy seems like a reasonable estimate.

According to Barrett, this is what their 416 cartridge has at 1000 yards.

So yes, Sierra, your 416 Barrett can penetrate an M113 - but only out to 1000 yards, slightly more than half a mile.

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Troll Technique #1: Forum Sliding

Within minutes of my posting the background of the M113, BeaReady and Ptarantino both posted bland "Gosh, I like Ron too" comments on threads that had alread received hundreds of similar comments. SteveMT pasted in an quote by Einstein, of all people, on another bland thread.

Forum sliding? Not to sound paranoid or anything, but I have my suspicions.

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Update

Within three minutes of posting this comment, the EXACT SAME two threads (nodes 2317 and 60398) got bumped in front of mine.

Does anybody here know this people?

BeaReady
Ptarantino
SteveMT
Hickman
Tomforron

How about you, Lisa? You seem to keep a sharp eye on potential trolls. Do you know any of these people?

Quote from Troll Techniques:

"Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled."

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We've had quite a few trolls leading up to the convention

but now I think we are also getting new people since the rally. Yes, two names are familiar.

We've had at least three new people show up lately and they aren't well known yet so I think we have to cut some newbies some slack.

If someone is causing trouble, contact Michael.

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OMG dude even if it was the best plan on the planet

it is now obsolete. If you don't think they read your web site your stupid. Any idea that would work against an army this advanced would never be written down on the internet. Well eccept by someone who never intends to use it and if you did intend to use it well its been nice knowing you I give you about 10 sec and that being generous. walk away from this topic people this is a waist of your time.

People still read Sun-Tzu 2500 years after his time.

The fundamentals are never obsolete.

The concepts that I discuss at www.sniperflashcards.com/tactics.php have been around for as long as projectile weapons have existed. Any officer in the Roman legions would immediately recognize everything I've written as standard operating proceedure - as would any modern infantry officer.

I never claimed to have re-invented small-unit tactics. All I did was organize existing infantry tactics in a form that civilians can comprehend.

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Concise and intelligent

Concise and intelligent response. Unlike the one you are responding to...

"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."