Why suffer for 4-10 more years when we can fix America in 1 year or less?
Submitted by truthluver on Thu, 09/04/2008 - 16:15
Sendelie pointed out in his "From the floor" post on the "DELEGATES: CHECK IN HERE" thread that it's going to take 4-10 more years of work to reach our goals. He's talking, of course, about working through the standard electoral process like we have been doing for the last year and a half. But we don't have to suffer for 4-10 more years because there is another option! Read the following two articles for more info:
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/Update/Update2008-07-27...
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/Update/Update2008-08-22...
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I have been a member of WTP
I have been a member of WTP for a few years now, the one thing that everyone should know is that the WTP organization is heavily watched by the IRS as well as other agencies. The original site had a federal cease and desist order slapped on it, so we can't even get all the information that was originally available on the site. Once again, just take note that once you join you WILL be on a watch list, of course, if you are like me your name has probably been on one for decades.
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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
People don't have to join the WTP . . .
. . . to participate in a coordinated effort to force the gov't to get on its knees by refusing to give it any more financial support (ie., TAXES). If we want to get our power back over the gov't, we need to stop giving it our money! It's as simple as that! Money is Power!!!
Thanks for the heads up,
truthluver, what do you know about this? I do agree that many of us are already on watch lists of one sort or another. If there are enough of us their systems will be overwhelmed.
This is no longer true because . . .
that restraining order has been lifted. You can read the entire story of the WTP's efforts and all their past articles at this link:
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/00-Archives.htm
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "If there are enough of us their systems will be overwhelmed." This is precisely the point that Bob Shultz keeps trying to get through to people. All we need is a few hundred thousand people who refuse to support the gov't by no longer paying taxes, and we will overwhelm them. What would they do, put us all in jail? Sooner or later, they will have to back down. The problem is that too many people fear the gov't, so they won't actually follow through with any coordinated plan to "boycott" the gov't. This is what has to change if we really want to force our gov't back into servanthood where it belongs!
Actually, Truthluver, you
Actually, Truthluver, you can't get everything that use to be on the site. You are no longer able to access the Termination of W4 forms, along with other items that were extremely controversial to the IRS. There were several things on the original site before they were effectively shut down by the Court that contained very important and damning information about the ways to deny the government the power to tax you as an individual.
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The interesting thing is
The interesting thing is that when you request information from the DHS with a FOIA, you will get it back and it will state that you are listed under BLACKOUT, and BLACKOUT, and BLACKOUT, and BLACKOUT....so, just be aware of that. Sorta funny to request information and receive information that does you absolutely no good whatsoever.
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I can't believe how many
I can't believe how many times on this site I keep seeing this endless silly thinking that the people who CAUSED the problems we have, are going to be the ones that fix it. Sending letters, DVD, making arcane legal arguments (understand how I mean that, as they are arcane to them), negotiating with them, letting them win in return for them giving us something we already have, and on and on and on.
Sometimes I can't believe how stupid people can be. The only way to win back liberty is to work on getting these people out of office - PERIOD!
We can force them to fix these problems . . .
. . . by refusing to send them any more money until they do! This thread is not about "petitions" and such. The petition process has already run its course, and the gov't has refused to respond. It has also insulted the people who have petitioned it --- even though they have done so politely and respectfully. The next step is to pull the rug out from under the gov't's feet by no longer supporting it financially by refusing to pay any more federal taxes. We've all done this same thing at one time or another to a particular store or other business we weren't pleased with for one reason or another. Why can't we do this en mass with the US gov't and take away it's ability to function and pay its bills. And don't even think of saying, "Well, the gov't will just print more money" cause if that was the case, there wouldn't be any federal taxes to begin with!
The only way this would work is if it resulted in a ...
sucession by a state.
WAHOR!!
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WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Do you mean Secession?
Do you mean Secession?
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Yes, sorry ...
spelling is not one of my strong suits.
Having said that ...
I did spell check it and googled it and I thought it came up correct.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Not a problem, I just wanted
Not a problem, I just wanted to make sure I understood what you were saying...
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I'm thinking we need to
I'm thinking we need to throw our support 100% behind this project!
Thank you . . .
. . . for having an open mind to other options!
I believe in the Constitution,
this idea could work and wake people up to who in Washington is a traitor to the American people.
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To expect a quick solution
To expect a quick solution to our problems as a country seems as silly to me as thinking the spray on bald spot cover up wasn't noticeable. I respect the We The People foundation but quick fixes to complicated problems don't work.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
How do you know it won't work?
Sounds like you don't know the historical and constitutional basis for WTP's "quick fix"! I suggest you do a little reading and thinking rather than just shooting off your mouth and saying "It won't work!" And I also challenge you to tell me WHY it won't work!
I suggest you study history
I suggest you study history It's been tried many times it doesn't work they ignore it. Why in the world do you believe they will suddenly decide to follow the constitution? the WTPF has been trying this stuff for a decade at least maybe more, I commend them for their efforts however it has never worked and not made a damn bit of difference.
I have been in this fight for 20 years and the only thing I have seen get real measurable results and move us forward is taking back local GOP's by running for PCP and on up to state reps and senators.
More has been accomplished in the last year doing this then in twenty years of petitions, protests, legal wrangling, marches, sign waves etc. etc.
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I suggest YOU study history because . . .
. . . it HASN'T been tried many times before and not worked. According to Bob Shultz's team of constitutional and historical experts (who know a lot more than both you and me put together!), the "right to petition for redress of grievances" is backed by the "right to stop paying taxes to the gov't if the gov't doesn't respond to those petitions," and these two things together are the foundation of western civilization and of the other 9 rights in our Bill of Rights. Without the right to petition and the right to "boycott," we have only two other mechanisms for changing our gov't: voting (which hasn't worked in over 40 years) and violence (which is tour last resort). So, what's wrong with trying the second to last resort first? The only way to stop tyranny if voting doesn't work and if violence is undesirable is by cutting off tyranny's life supply, which is TAXES! In other words, to stop tyranny, we must stop paying the taxes that sustain it!!!
I know about and understand
I know about and understand the right to petition for redress, the Mormons did it 150 years ago when a state governor illegally ordered their extermination it was ignored then and it was ignored again when WTPF did it recently. What part don't you get? Yeah we have the right but like many of our rights those in power ignore them that's the whole point.
As I said I have been in this fight for 20+ years and if you think filing some paper work and serving them even if it is correct at law is going to change things then you are truly naive.
Patriots have been doing this stuff for decades to no avail myself among them. I have seen judges dismiss all sorts of things hardly glancing at them even when painstakingly prepared to be perfectly correct at law.
It doesn't matter our government from judges to congress to the Presidency does not consider itself bound to follow the law and they routinely ignore it that is the point you and many others our missing and there by wasting your time in these efforts.
Do what works not what you wish would work.
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This is not just about the right to petition . . .
. . .it's about the right to withhold tax money the gov't needs to function if the gov't doesn't respond to petitions, which it has done repeatedly and rudely. The petition process has reached the point at which the people have no other choice but to stop paying taxes en masse! If several hundred thousand to a million people start doing this immediately and start publicizing it at the same time, it would have a very powerful effect on the people in DC and on the rest of the country. How many people are there that are fed up with all the taxes we have to pay---especially FEDERAL taxes---who are also fed up with the war and all the other constitutional violations our servant gov't is guilty of? Plenty! All that's needed is for someone to rally these troops together into a plan of coordinated action, and our gov't officials would bow their knees in no time. People have done the same thing to big stores like Walmart and other companies, and it has worked wonders. Why wouldn't it work for the corporation known as the US Gov't?????
Are you not understanding
Are you not understanding how little we mean to the 'system'? All of us combined are less than a fraction of a percent of the entire tax-paying population. Small dollar numbers mean nothing in the overall scheme... and please don't split hairs with me with "but David slew Goliath with a pebble"....
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