Today: Ron Paul Philly Rally 11/10/2007


This is only the top half of the beautiful poster. Click on it to see the whole thing at the official site - it really is a must see!

Check the Philly Rally website for the full details.

Independence Mall
(adjacent to Independence Hall)
1:00 PM - 3:00 PM ET
Arch Street (between 5th and 6th Streets)
Philadelphia, PA 19106

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On the Speechwriter

Personally I think Ron Paul is just fine without prepared speeches, but for those of you who believe otherwise, give the official campaign some time. That 4.2 million money bomb was just last week, and the campaign support is going exponential. He'll have a good speechwriter, but its not easy finding a good one that can enhance his message without changing it or hijacking it, etc. I like the Buchanan idea, but its all about protecting the message, so give the official campaign some time to figure it out.

I wouldn't mind seeing some rallies where he's just himself and others where he has a prepared speech. Mixing it up is best as it would appeal to the broadest possible audience.

Just don't do anything with the message. Its just fine as it is. :)

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I thought this was excellent!

I thought this speech was excellent because he FINALLY addressed the silly notion that some people have thrown out at me that he would desecrate and take apart our military.

This is insane!

Ron respects our military more than anyone, and the interviewer on CNN made sure to thank him for his own military service.

He believes we need a strong defense, but simply not send them to be fighting improper wars. This does NOT mean he would 'desecrate' our military.

I'm glad he finally spoke to this. Ron understands the value of our armed services and just doesn't want squander them.

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Should have been a prepared speech.

This was one time and place when Paul should have came with a written speech. This should have been an historic monumental speech, instead of all this improvisation. This was a squandered opportunity, in my opinion. Oh well. Hopefully another opportunity of this kind will arise and it will be taken advantage of.

the great thing about this

the great thing about this time around is that the message is simple and there really is no need for a rehearsed speech. Besides, this is just the beginning of what is yet to come.


Hogwash. It was a brilliant

Hogwash. It was a brilliant speech. I'm really getting sick and tired of hearing this. You must think of yourself--and the rest of us--as quite an idiot to have been convinced by someone that was such a poor speaker. If Ron Paul's message and speaking ability was enough to convince you and me and the rest of us, why do you continue to think that he is a poor speaker?

Zachary Hensley
Philosophy Dept
University of Iowa


Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but Paul hasn't convinced me of anything. I was already a libertarian. Paul is just the messenger. It's about the message for me, not Dr. Paul. It could have been anyone and I would be a supporter.

Anyway, I'm not saying he's a poor speaker. I've seen some excellent speeches by him, but this is not one of them. And, like I said, this speech in particular shouldn't have been improvisation. This speech should have been well-planned out, written, and rehearsed. This should have been a defining speech that would be published and looked back on with reverence for generations from now, but it wasn't. It's a missed opportunity.

Who put up the tombstones?

I saw some pictures of tombstones. Were other groups at the site?
Did Paulers reach out to and engage them?

Here is a comment I read:

I did not see this Ron Paul Repug, pay one nano-second of respect to these headstones, nor any of his supporter's, they only knew he was antichoice and that was their only concern. At least, our organizer, took out the bugle and played Taps to remind all where they were.

Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas

"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."

Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas

"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."

Local News gave little attenion

The loacal media spent every broadcast talking more about some screwball norman mailer who stabbed his wife got a murderer out of jail ealr only to kill again because he died at 90

Photograhers were major distraction!

While watching Dr. Paul live on my computer, I was repeatedly distracted by the several photographers walking behind Dr. Paul during his speech and taking pictures. Due to the camera angle, one photographer appeared to stand right behind Dr. Paul, ducked down out of sight (appearing to be taking pictures of Dr. Paul "backside"), and then popped up. Later, another photgrapher just stood there next to Dr. Paul for seveal minutes without taking any pictures whatsoever while picking/rubbing his nose and face appearing to be very bored. Someone handling Ron Paul's PR needs to be taken to the woodshed to allow this to happen.


link for video of philly rally

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, 1791

We wouldn't be here if Dr. Paul wasn't an excellent speaker

The test of a true speaker is to get complex ideas across in the most effective manner possible.
Everybody in this forum has been won over by his speeches and more importantly have a fundamental understanding of his views
I must say that even after hearing all of the other candidates speak time and time again, I am still unable to point out their fundamental views and logic.
This is because the other candidates (except for "lower tier" guys) spend too much time on technique over substance.
Generally the MSM shyed away from him in the begining because he actually had something to say as opposed to the WWF style of taunting, which is much easier to achieve ratings with.

Remember, don't argue loudest, argue best.


im really curious to hear the estimates crowd numbers. 4000? Thats amazing. Bet it'll be all over news and political sties instead of what Rudy had for breakfast.

I don't know how accurate my estimate would be

anyone else hear any more "official" estimates?

Pittsburgh Gazzette & Speech writing

PG reported the crowd to be 4000 too.

I see some folks talking about RP getting a speech writer. I think it would be a good idea too.

Instead of interviewing a bunch of applicants, he could find one right here at the Daily Paul! I have seen and read some very talented writers right here. It would be great PR for the campaign if RP hired folks for some staff positions right out of the general population. It would be kind of a Cinderella story thing.

I'm just sayin'....

CNN estimate 1,500. It was

CNN estimate 1,500. It was in the ticker recently.

No - Try between 4,000 to 5,000

Frank Erdheim, the National Park Service Ranger who was in charge of the event, told me that the crowd was "easily 4,000." I asked him if it might be 5,000 and he said that it was possible but not more than that figure.

How do we know that the correct figure is in this range? We know how much room each person occupies and we know the area the crowd occupied. Simple math.

Yours very truly,


That was the greatest speech in American history!

Just got home and looking for it online.

I can't wait to see it online and send it to everyone! What a crowd, what a great bunch of people that were there! I estimate that there were 4,000 people there! AWESOME!

President Paul addressed so many issues in this speech, it seemed like it was 40 minutes long.
I got goosebumps - this is like a DREAM coming true!
The support for this man and the message of liberty is growing and we are well on our way to getting this government under control again!

Thanks alot bro, I caught

Thanks alot bro, I caught some coverage on the CNN international channel, it was a pretty good.

Collectivism is slavery.


Must see interview, Thanks

Thank you so much for the

Thank you so much for the link.

I can't wait for the video!

I can't wait for the video!

Just got back from the rally.

It was incredible to stand before the Constitution center and hear a great speech from Dr. Paul. The crowd was huge, and very fired up. There were news crews from fox, CNN, nbc, and cbs recording. Cars drove by honking thier support while volunteers handed out brochures to people that happened by and were curious about the giant crowd.

I don't have an exact number but was told 3500 people RSVPd. Dr. Paul said it was the biggest rally yet from his estimate.

I'll work to upload some of the pictures we took of the event.


are incredible. I also can't believe what I'm hearing from you people. He captivates every person in the room - even me with ADD every once in a while. No teacher in any school I've been to has done this with regularity!!! Get your heads out of your you know whats. Why don't you check out Bush's speeches in comparison?

Ive tried

Cant stand to hear the guy talk for more than 2 minutes. And those two minutes are excruciating.

well then...

what will you do when your rights are completely taken away?
answer that!!!

you won't even have the CHOICE of who you're listening to.

things are REALLY bad right now. the people who UNDERSTAND and SEE are the ones who forgive easily the teeth of a gift horse.

the crowd?

anyone have pics or video of the crowd? the live feeds only showed the podium, i wanna know what kind of crowd was there...


I'd say ~3K, enthusiastically spilling into the streets-!

Has it been you tubed

Has it been you tubed yet?

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I find myself in utter

I find myself in utter amazement that people continue to complain about his speaking ability. Every time I've seen him speak I am captivated. I can't really believe what I'm seeing. Y'all are suggesting that he hires a speech writer? That's precisely what makes Ron Paul himself, namely that he doesn't need a speech writer to come up with his content. Ron Paul has been saying the same things for 30 years. Go get his Foreign Policy of Freedom book and you will see that he literally has been saying the same thing for 30 years. I wouldn't want him to change a thing and I bet he feels the same way. If you're wanting to be wowed by some polished speaker then go support the other candidates. Obviously his 'lack of talent' in speaking was enough to convince you to support him, right? Obviously it was enough to convince me. If there is someone that can listen to an entire speech of his and not be convinced, then I don't know what could. Perhaps you're concerned that people won't listen to a speech of his because it's not 'polished', or whatever. To this I can only respond that you can be concerned about whatever it is you want to be concerned about. Ron Paul does not need a speech writer, and if he got one I think that I would be severely disappointed. I am seriously amazed at the rubbish I see on here sometimes.

Zachary Hensley
Philosophy Dept
University of Iowa

Hear, hear!

As a person who has acting experience, and is sick to death of polished presentations, I say Ron Paul is perfect. Just perfect, as he is.

What is it about some people? Along comes a person of SUBSTANCE, and a person whose ideas actually captivate people when they take the time to listen to him -- this has been proved over and over! -- and people think they will gain something by making him more "polished." They think an application of style will improve the substance, I suppose. But they are Wrong, and Wrong, and Wrong, and Wrong.

The REAL people of America can see right through slick speeches. That's all other politicians ever give. And corruption with it. Americans understand that really well, even if they don't admit it to themselves. What they haven't seen is this type of REAL -- someone speaking about the philosophy of freedom, a philosophy thought through and applied faithfully for years. It's so lovely to hear someone so sincere, and truthful, and faithful to the constitution. It is MUSIC to an honest person's ears.

Sorry for those people who have tin ears, but NO THANKS, don't change a thing, Dr. Paul. Not a thing.

AMEN !!!

Next we'll be hearing that he needs to wear some mousse in his hair - JUST like Romney.

Ron Paul can out-speak ANYone.....with substance.



You guys are right, he's not a great orator, but i also believe that there is a certain merit to ad-libbing the speeches, and there's no question that ad-libbing answers to questions is meritous.

He can never be pulled off message because he never has to hit a set of talking points, or memorize a set of talking points.

He has a principle, backed by years and years of study and debate by classic liberals and contructionist for 100 years.

So when asked a question, he simply has to apply it to the domain of the principle.

It doesn't always make for great tv, but it always makes for great policy.


I got chills listening on RonPaulRadio today - ESPECially when he said hemp RULES over corn!!! I have been in the LP since '93 and I am so happy to hear a Presidential candidate talk about COMMERICAL HEMP !!!!!!

Also when he mentioned the NAU, natl. ID & medical cannabis. (Someone tell him to start saying cannabis instead of marijuana!) The only one I haven't heard him mention in a speech yet is NAIS, but I doutb if there is ANYone who knows about NAIS that isn't already a supporter.

The head-spinning part came when the chat room said ONE MIN to CNN & I told hubby & he hollered back, "HE'S ON NOW!"


" is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."

" is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."

Pat Buchanan...

...could be a speechwriter for Ron Paul if he decided to hire one.

NO Pat Buchanan

He's a very polarizing figure and that's not what this movement is about AT ALL!


Pat is not polarizing. He's a brilliant and great man. He brought a lot of people together against the neocons.

He won the primary here in NH in 1996 'polling' at 6% and cleaning their clocks with 27%.

He likes Ron a lot. He'd be a great speechwriter. His website talks about and promotes Ron more than any other candidate.

I worked for him in '96 as did a lot of folks in NH who are now supporting Ron.

They tried to call him an 'isolationist' at the time too, because he was pointing out the dangers of the NAU/WTO and our 'imbalance' of trade. He believes everything Ron does. He's a wonderful speaker too.

Side note: Besides being able to meet and spend time with these people in NH during the presidential cycles and thus get to know them intimately better than most others, we have Article 10 -- the right to revolution!

Move to NH!

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

oh yeah. pat would be

oh yeah. pat would be phenomenal.

Thank You Dwayne Mayor

The Socrates quote was perfect and hit the nail on the head. Although Dr. Paul is no orator, no one can doubt that his message is genuine. I wouldn't mess with that.

R. Match

Size of the crowd?

Did anyone see the size of the crowd? I missed the live feed.

The Crowd? HUGE

The park service official we spoke with gave the figure of 4,000 based on the square footage of the site.

Judging by the numbers I've seen at other events, I'd agree.

That's another new high for the Ron Paul campaign!!!!

I keep being underwhelmed by Ron Paul's speeches

I just don't think he performs well in this format.

Speeches - C minus
Debates - hard to tell, since he gets so little time, but say a B
Sit-down, extended interview format - like the Nashua telegraph editorial board one hour interview - A plus

I turned on the speech briefly, and he was talking about eliminating the income tax and replacing it with nothing. Maybe I'm not being fair, since I didn't hear the whole speech, but I remember hearing him in Chicago, and also being underwhelmed. His speeches are basically like my priests' sermons - a lot of ideas just sort of strung together, not paying attention to which ones are most important, and not making any emotional connection to the audience.

Dr. Paul needs a speechwriter. Hell, I'll be glad to write speeches for him. It would be so easy. Dr. Paul has so many great and wonderful ideas. But he's not good at writing speeches. No problem, We're not good at everything in life. But then we have to recognize this and get some help.

Sorry, people who are idol-worshiping may jump and start beating me about the head due to this comment. Like I said, I love the guy and love his ideas. But as a giver of speeches, he stinks.

Good in speeches but not debates

I disagree about speeches. I've seen some exemplary speeches by him. But, I think in debates is where he suffers. I hope we can admit he doesn't "win" the debates. It's just that he has a lot of supporters, including me, that vote for him - so he gets the most votes. He performs horribly in debates. The general public doesn't know what he's talking about in the debates. He doesn't even answer some of the questions that they pose to him. I really wish the campaign with hire someone to coach him and prepare him for the debates. I understand that a lot of his appeal is that he is not a canned politician, but that can only go so far among the masses.

could be better

i think it is far from "horrible" but there is definitively room for improvement. the major problem, in my view, is listening. he doesn't answer the questions because he is not listening carefully enough. he thinks he has understood the question before he actually has and then drifts away.

I agree

And, one of the most important things he should be doing in debates is giving his "resume" to Americans. Giuliani always talks about his record, and it works - obviously. Paul needs to take some time out in debates to just tell America that he's never voted for a tax increase, and so on. People would love it. If he had some debate coaching/advising he would do this. I think the campaign management is incompetent. We in the grassroots are working our butts off, but they're really not doing much but shuffling Paul around to speeches and debates. There is no quality control, whether it comes to debates or making television commercials. Some smarter people need to be brought in to manage the campaign, in my opinion.

too much knowledge = problem

i think the problem is that dr paul has too much to say. his program is much more complex, his ideas complicated, he knows way more history and economics than any of the other candidates and there is no enough time for him to press for his resume. i think this is the reason why he performs the best in the long interviews.

as far as the official campaign goes - i don't expect too much from them. the only thing that worries me is stressing how young people are for dr paul. i don't think that necessarily sounds great to traditional republicans.

I understand your concerns.

I understand your concerns. Most Americans are shallow and are only interested in appearances and delivery. *Paris Hilton* is considered news in this country. 'Nuff said.

On the other hand, the slicker a candidate is, the less I tend to like them. Maybe that's just me. I prefer the "shake my hand and look me in the eye" school of politics. If you're a bit rough around the edges, but have something meaningful to say, I consider that roughness an asset. It shows me that you're more interested in the issues than polishing your image. Jefferson was not a very good public speaker, by his own admission, but he ranks among the most eloquent writers in American history. Paul is actually pretty good at expressing his message in writing (, but I guess it doesn't come across at the podium.

Anyway, blemishes on leather are valued as signs of authenticity. I have faith that enough Americans still have enough common sense that they will recognize honesty and value it above delivery.


"Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests." --George Washington


Not my cup of tea, but maybe it works for some people.

I wish he would tone it down and present everything a bit more like he was just having a conversation with his listeners. And not be so excitable at the debates. Just cool, calm, and collected, combined with the clarity of his positions would be perfect.

You're right actually

He is certainly no orator. However, this always brings to mind the beginning of the Apology of Socrates, where he mounts a vigorous defense of his philosophical life:

"How you have felt, O men of Athens, at hearing the speeches of my accusers, I cannot tell; but I know that their persuasive words almost made me forget who I was - such was the effect of them; and yet they have hardly spoken a word of truth. But many as their falsehoods were, there was one of them which quite amazed me; - I mean when they told you to be upon your guard, and not to let yourselves be deceived by the force of my eloquence. They ought to have been ashamed of saying this, because they were sure to be detected as soon as I opened my lips and displayed my deficiency; they certainly did appear to be most shameless in saying this, unless by the force of eloquence they mean the FORCE OF TRUTH; for then I do indeed admit that I am eloquent. But in how different a way from theirs! Well, as I was saying, they have hardly uttered a word, or not more than a word, of truth; but you shall hear from me the whole truth: not, however, delivered after their manner, in a set oration duly ornamented with words and phrases. No indeed! but I shall use the words and arguments which occur to me at the moment; for I am certain that this is right, and that at my time of life I ought not to be appearing before you, O men of Athens, in the character of a juvenile orator - let no one expect this of me. And I must beg of you to grant me one favor, which is this - If you hear me using the same words in my defence which I have been in the habit of using, and which most of you may have heard in the agora, and at the tables of the money-changers, or anywhere else, I would ask you not to be surprised at this, and not to interrupt me. For I am more than seventy years of age, and this is the first time that I have ever appeared in a court of law, and I am quite a stranger to the ways of the place; and therefore I would have you regard me as if I were really a stranger, whom you would excuse if he spoke in his native tongue, and after the fashion of his country; - that I think is not an unfair request. Never mind the manner, which may or may not be good; but think only of the justice of my cause, and give heed to that: let the judge decide justly and the speaker speak truly."

Never mind the manner, my fellows.

exactly. that is just

exactly. that is just it.
thanks for posting that exerpt.

Ron Paul is not the kind of guy to spend time thinking about how he can WOW the audience and make them love him. He is a man on a mission to speak the truth and awaken us to the dire situation at hand. He has an inside education on the workings of our country and is finding ways to translate his knowledge to others.

he is no MLK, but the ideas RP is conveying are equally critical to our future as a country. I hope people take the time to really listen to what he is saying and hear the truth that he speaks.