Tucker Carlson meets Jon Stewart
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Sat, 09/06/2008 - 15:51
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Hi friends,
I got back from the RNC late last night, and am still decompressing. It was a very, very intense experience. I just saw the thread, Tucker Bailed, and thought now would be an appropriate time to share this video:
I'll have more to share in the coming days about the experience. Thank you for your patience, and thank you to freedom1776, and Colognepaulist for helping with the site over the past week.
Comments welcome.
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I didn't agree with one word from Stewart
Debate is essential to political ideas. I really don't want politicians uniting and working together. Progressives would love it if everyone agreed with each other, then they would "get more done" (i.e. spend more money, become more statist). For Stewart to sit on his high horse and get Crossfire canceled was NOT a good thing. I think Stewart's true problem with Crossfire (and everyone on the left) was that in cold, rational debates they weren't doing so well against conservative/libertarian ideas (not that neocon Republicans actually implement what they talk about).
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His point was NOT..
His point was NOT that he disliked DEBATE... but rather that he disliked facetious and constant "argumentation" and "bickering" (which is the anathema of intelligent and formal debate).
Stewart was saying that they ought to DO THEIR JOBS... and instead of bringing us fallacious stupidities like "lipstickgate" they ought to do some digging and call these idiots OUT on their lies (for example the fact that John McCain used the phrase "lipstick on a pig" on multiple occasions, etc) -- to DISPOSE of that BS quickly, and then to move on to SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES and force some ACTUAL debate on those.
Stewart himself does a fantastic job of "skewering" politicians on their political BS which is VERY humorous (as well as indicting and apropos to his show)... but (as a comic) he is not really the right venue for substantive debate (which is not humorous in and of itself).
What he was asking that is they STOP trying to be "comedians" and "entertainers" (which is what HE is) and instead to be SERIOUS journalists (which is what they CLAIM and PRETEND to be).
So, IMHO, Stewart was spot on.
BTW, formal "debate" (as in actual pro/con debate the following issue: "Resolved that the occupation of Iraq is indebting our nation and bankrupting our government.") is an entirely lost art in our society -- it survives only in (rare) high school (and occasionally college) debating societies. Presidential "debates" are not debates at all... they are question & answer entertainment sessions.
The problem with Crossfire was
that the left and the right WERE working together to put out fake arguments in order to have a show. I believe Stewart did a good job of exposing this. If you are on the left - you believe this.... If you are on the right - you believe that.... All this does is stifle critical thinking by telling people what to think. There were no serious arguments posed and this was by no means news. That show was nothing more than a circus put on by the establishment and I'm glad it's gone. Alternative media is the best source of real news today. Jon Stewart's show, although it is touted as a comedy show is ironically a better news source than most of the main stream. It is a sad state of affairs when the people have to turn to Comedy Central in order to get credible news.
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Not quite right
What is true is this: political figures were appearing on the show and putting forth their particular points. In that sense, I guess "fake arguments" were getting out there.
But it was honest debate where the participants were questioned by someone adversarial to them. Tucker Carlson, for example, is a Ron Paul libertarian. He would chip away at things both Democrats and Republicans were saying. That is a good thing. If it was still around, maybe some Libertarians could get on the show and put forth their ideas. Stewart removed this particular venue for honest debate, and now where do we see debate on TV anymore? No where. There is no debate show. Nothing was as open to different ideas than Crossfire. Everything is now spoon fed to us with a good dollup of entertainment for those with ADD, like Daily Show.
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It is true we are spoonfed news-entertainment by those with $
We have a long way to go before we can change that. I'll just have to agree to disagree with you about Crossfire. I think it started out as a good show. Did you see the show with Frank Zappa? http://www.eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=3079&title=Fr...
It would be nice to tune into a show on television that offered honest debate like I can get here.
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It's a sad state of affairs
If some Orwellian bigwig went on the air and said, "We must end debate and cancel debate shows on television. Debate must not be allowed." You and everyone in America would be up in arms. But package that demand up with a nice pink ribbon and people actually seem to fall for it. Stewart went up there and made the same demand. "Stop arguing!" No kidding the new establishment lackey that took over CNN at that time then terminated Crossfire, the establishment controls things all along. They probably decided open debate wasn't good for advancing their goals. To me, it's sad how the media generates America's Favorite Comedian(TM) and people who think they aren't owned suddenly become susceptible to programming because a comedian "makes me feel smart when I watch his show". Yes, the Progressives are sophisticated but we need to rise one level above them if we're going to win this fight. That starts by seeing things for what they really are.
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Jon Stewart's reflection about the incident
is also pretty good.
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this is old......
wow,........Tucker is a biatch,............
never liked him........never have, never will!
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You're aware that Tucker hosted Ron Paul's convention in Minneapolis? And that this is a Ron Paul site? He's more on our side than John Stewart.
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If he were so much on our side then he wouldn't have bailed
Did you read the Standard article? His actions are more representative of a gate-keeper. "I like Ron Paul... but his followers are nutjobs." With friends like this we need no enemies.
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Not correct
He didn't bail, he went for supper. It probably seemed like a good time considering he was being swarmed with conspiracy nut jobs. According to some posts below he came back after supper.
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I told everyone that this
I told everyone that this guy and Glenn Beck were tools and shams. Their conservative mouthpieces and know nothing about anything.
Jon Stewart for President.
screw jon sterwart, all he
screw jon sterwart, all he proved was he blames others for his own non doings! who cares if tucker does not ask hard questions. nobody has to watch it!
jon stewart never asks hard questions, just because its on comedy central is no excuse!
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so this is what it's come to
I've probably seen Tucker on TV, maybe 3 times in the last year.
I'm not a fan, I don't follow him.
But is this what the DP is about? Seek and Destroy?
Well then you probably need to save it for the real monsters.
or not.
do whatever the hell you think is right. It's obvious this entire forum is filled with people who are just winging it.
Right and wrong that is.
not the entire, just some
not the entire, just some
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yep
we seek and destroy, can't you read between the lines? War is Peace
this is very important video a must watch
and right after watching it go to Jesse Ventura speech at the Rally
and after that read Jesse's book Don't Start a Revolution Without me.
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Not only was this video very
Not only was this video very unfunny but just goes to show you how the far left can blame others for there very own problems HENCE WELFARE...
Jon should take it upon himself and expose corruption on his show even if it is on comedy central!
Does every program on CNN have to be HARD HITTING QUESTIONS ???
No they do not and people have the choice to watch it or not....
Jon really made him self look like a total ass,,, When he himself blames tucker for not taking a stand against big bad politics when jon him self prob has never held a protest sign on a busy street!!!!! typical leftitst
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Agreed
I'll never understand people who see this video and then go, "Yeah, right on Jon Stewart! You da man!" Crossfire was one of the few remaining venues for open debate, and Stewart effectively canceled one of CNN's highest rated shows. i.e. The people were voting by watching this show. How is taking away choice for Americans a good thing?
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Brutally Painful
This is just a brutally painful video to watch. I'm not a fan of Stewart's left-leaning politics but I do enjoy his humor. This wasn't funny at all, though. It was just vicious and absolutely below the belt. That he felt he had the moral high ground (which he would were he pro-freedom and not a socialist) is what really gets my goat.
The only reason Stewart's show is able to successfully poke fun at politicians without competition is because it's easier for liberals to make and take jokes when it comes to politics. Socialists are naturally predisposed at being more laid back, people-friendly and more accepting. It's all about peace and love, man.
Conservatives naturally take themselves too seriously. With wars on drugs, terror, illegal immigrants and who knows what else, it's no wonder they're so serious all the time. They're paranoid someone or something is out to get them and ready to kill the first thing that moves. Look at O'Reilly and Limbaugh. Both total a-holes. There's a reason for that. And that's why there is no humorous conservative show to serve as a counterpoint to Stewart's liberal one. It's an oxymoron. Humor and conservatives just don't mix.
And the only humorous pro-freedom (voluntaryist, libertarian or whatever you want to call it these days) shows aren't available on mainstream media outlets so that's why there aren't any of those either.
Penn and Teller
Well Libertarians tend to be really laid back. I'm slightly to the conservative of libertarian, so some sense of humor, some "the world is about to end" paraclysmic terror.
Penn and Teller are very humorous, and very pro-freedom.
Nice
I saw it a few months ago and nice to see again.
What about another Ron Paul visit to Jon Stewart? Normally they discuss around a book, and "The Revolution" is certainly a book that would be relevant. Stewart has already stated during his interview with the infamous David Frum that he likes Ron Paul and defended Paul vs. Frum-Bush-McCain. It is clear that Stewart is against the war and more in Obama's camp, but he is a libertarian - I think. Dr. Paul and an "independent Republican" does represent a "third party view" on both parties.
Dr. Paul could also hold public speeches, together with a singing performance by Aimee Allen and this would be a great way to get another invitation of Joe Leno etc., with both Paul and Allen (also interesting "worldplay" with Paul Allen).
One of my all-time favorite clips
I sent it to Lew Rockwell after the Rally.
It won't go
I mean I click on the arrow and it starts but as soon as it hits 2 seconds, it stops. Is anyone else having this problem?
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Yes
I have been cursed with that problem. I usually have to restart the browser (with firfox you can save all your pages) and that often works.
Somebody told me to lower my MTU on my router. I lowered it to 1400 and that helped. I think I have to lower it some more because it still happens from time to time. Cheers
I'll say it
Alot of people tried telling the campaign about Tucker,(just look at the comments on Tuckers announcement blog at the campaign for liberty website) and alot of us were angry the idiot Tucker was going to show his face. Tucker Carlson is a lame dweeb who stuck it to the campaign running all the hookers, pimps and white trash supremacists for Ron Paul all over the news.
The guy's a three time loser-Crossfire, MSNBC and now this MC gig. I seriously hope they didn't pay the pudge.
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But that was Tucker 4 years ago...
He's been changing ever since.
What?
I'm talking about the only time TUcker would talk on MSNBC about Dr. Paul is in relation to hookers, pimps, white trash supremacists. This wasn't 4 years ago-it was less than a year ago.
The happy part is Tucker lost his job.
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This whole thing stinks like another setup... a way to trash OUR rally and, once again, to betray the good doctor.
That's what gets my dander up.
We don't need these MSM prima donnas. Any supporter in the audience, picked at random, would have done 1000 times better than that smug jerk.
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i was there and didnt even notice him missing. who cares.
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