Why is it that our cause rarely lasts?
Submitted by aVoiceof Reason. on Sun, 09/07/2008 - 00:14~The American Revolution
~The Conservative Movement
~The Reagan Revolution
~The Republican Revolution/Contract with America
~ The Ron Paul Revolution.
Why is it that the conservative cause always seems to fail/not last for long and must then be restarted?
Is it a failure to remain vigilant? Is it a failure to come through/stay committed? Is it because of attacks from the outside (or the inside)? Is it just a cycle (every generation needs its own revolution)?
Is it a combination?
We should probably address this issue if we are serious about being successful.
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I think the problem is some
I think the problem is some of us are still drinking the GOP KoolAid.
I agree with Lew Rockwell, who contends that the conservatives were always bad.
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I believe this one has staying power
This campaign has direction in it, but it's decentralized organization needs tweaking, it's just my own observation. So many people working on stuff together and it did'nt even matter where people were, a huge thanks to all the Ron Paul related forums, websites and meetups to help make this happen. I am really looking forward to new things developing at C4L that will help us all. I think Dr. Paul could help us by laying out a foundation at C4L for all of us to work from. Something like a updating guidebook of sorts that we can refer to anytime. As a supporter, I feel like I could do more. All the posts here and everywhere gave lots of direction and avenues for people looking or who wanted to help, it truly is amazing. Sometimes I felt confused because there was so much going on at the same time. I like the idea of working together right out in the open like this, but are there some things we could've worked on, out of the public eye that might have allowed a certain task/project to be more effective? I don't really know, but I'm ready and fired up for the next phase. I can't wait :-)
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Our current revolution won't
Our current revolution won't fade away because it's not a "conservative" movement it's an American movement. I used to be a registered Democrat...
Plus, I think that most of us have a very thorough and complete understanding about the issues. We're an educated bunch that couldn't logically stop getting our common sense message of freedom out to the masses.
This is the second American Revolution.
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Me too
I used to be a registered Democrat. I wasn't a Democrat at all in spirit, but I saw little real difference between the two parties and found it easier to register in the same party as my husband. I'm a registered Republican now, and in the camp that aspires to bring the Republican party back to it's conservative roots.
The one in which...
...fanofwalt suddenly (and quite unexpectedly) launches into a Sociology 101 class lecture.
Glancing through the comments, the opinions seem to rest upon whether "we" -- revolutionaries/conservatives past and present -- have been doing things right or wrong, or in a particular manner. We are concentrating on what we do, and whether we're doing it well enough.
I suggest we consider shifting our focus upon the rest of the populace for another perspective.
There are those who may be thought of as "tories." These would generally be those of the generation born in the late 20s to 40s, who were taught that you don't ever question your country, not the U.S. of A., no sir, never...and to do otherwise is, in and of itself, traitorous. For these people, they have lived long lives with a mindset that they believe to be the truth; that America is (always has been, always will be) faultless and without blemish. To turn from such a mindset now; to even consider the possibility that there just might be something askew with how our country is being run, would be tantamount to admission that everything these people have believed and counted on as Truth regarding their country is wrong and has been wrong for decades on end, turning their version of their stable reality on end. That is a very difficult prospect for anyone to face.
(Someone here on DP (sorry; forget who) has a great signature quote that alludes to this...St. Augustine quote, I think? Essentially, it says that if you have a truth and later discover it's not a truth, you still have to defend it as truth because your whole life has been built upon that "truth." Only the quote says it more eloquently.)
Another group of the population encompasses those born around the mid-60s and later. Serious wars not a consideration for these folks, they got to enjoy the rewards won by those who went before them. Care and ease were a given. The mindset of entitlement crept in, aided by numerous cultural factors ("if it feels good, do it"; me generation, etc.). As a result, people walk around singing the old song, "Oh, the world owes me a living." It's not even out of a sense of arrogance, but born of an upbringing where struggle and sacrifice were virtually unknown.
Consequences of that attitude can be found in suing McDonalds for a too-hot cup of coffee; going so overboard in protecting our little snowflakes from any harm whatsoever that their playgrounds may as well be a rubber room; and everyone walking on eggshells in their speech, lest they (gasp!) offend someone who accidentally overhears their conversation.
This same mindset is what brings about the well meaning yet socialistic endeavors like universal health care, saving the spotted owls by charging shoppers .25 each for their grocery bags and other such legislation. Everything needs to be pleasant, comfortable and unoffensive for me, and in order to make darn sure of that, we'll just have to legislate the behavior of everyone else, lest you cause me to unwillingly smell your perfume as I walk down the street across from you.
So I see two major contingents of mindsets that continually block the path of real, revolutionary change:
a. Heels-dug-in, that's the way it is, don't tell me any differently la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you mindset
b. It's all about me, me, ME (and therefore, you) mindset
Here's the tricky part: both of those are human nature. The desire to be "right" and the desire to have things suited for one's own comfort.
I propose that these are some of the stickier hurdles we must face and overcome, if we are ever to make serious strides in the revolution.
Your homework assignment: Describe in detail your suggestions for successfully addressing these issues. Extra credit for a plan not involving removing described demographics from the face of the Earth.
It is because we are most
It is because we are most galvanized when we feel like we are ACCOMPLISHING something. Ever notice how the Daily Paul becomes more and more divisive the longer there is silence from Ron Paul about what we should do? Sure he says we should all run for office and take back the system but this isn't something most people can identify with. People like to be led! They want you to tell them something very real they can do themselves to make a change. And they want it not to not completely change their lives. The truth is this movement will only become truly powerful and successful when enough of the things in life that distract us and make us happy have been taken away.
"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."
yes... it definitely is
yes... it definitely is harder when you don't have the tools/direction to change anything... but I think the Campaign for Liberty and the internet will help solve those problems....
I think
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too often, the people who "conservative" principles appeal to are primarily interested in their own profit. Once they gain power, they continue to do whats in their own economic interest- By doing the same things they so oppossed.
Just look at the Whiskey Rebellion.
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this revolution is different
we now have the internet as a tool to keep people informed. the other movements did not have that luxery and had to use mail to keep their followers informed but it was costly and slow and eventually people lost inerest.
I hope you're right.
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My biggest fear
Is if they turn it off, or at least all the real stuff. We could be on here with our next door neighbors and have no idea.
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I pray you're wrong.
MikeLawson
They can't really
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"turn it off" the entire infrastructure of society and economy revolves around the internet as it exists.
Government and business has an extremely poor track record at trying to control the internet.
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that is actually an
that is actually an excellent point. The internet IS an equalizer, and should make it easier for us to operate, grow/spread the message, and remain permanent.
It's over 200 years later
And the Revolution is still alive. The thing we have been fighting has been the same since the beginning, the oppressive forces of tyrannical government.
Our movements don't die, they build force, the Rothschilds fight back. The great thing is, our numbers grow with each wave. We will beat these saps, we've done it before!
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so you're saying we have yet
so you're saying we have yet to beat them/win even once?
I sort of wonder if we just stop trying, what would happen.... instead of trying to want to change things, we just started ignoring everything they do and do things in our own way in our own lives the way we want. If they come and try and stop you, let them, and then get back up and start doing it again...
It's almost like a bratty child who tries to take your toy because they want it... let them have it, and find something else.... as soon as you lose interest maybe they will too?
I'm not sure... I guess I just don't understand. I have no desire to want to rule other people and control them... and I have no desire to want to do everything for them... I just want people to be able to make their own decisions and do what they want, so long as they don't bother me. But I guess that's too much to ask for in this world.
Not at all
I'm saying we have managed to keep them at bay for a really long time. I do think this last 10-15 year offensive has been wildly effective on their part. "The surge has worked". And I think this is truly our last shot. There will come a day when the police and national guard turn and walk with us, because they're Americans too.
If you give up, or are even willing to think, oh well, just remember all the people who have died because the Rothschilds wanted more of that sweet sweet war money.
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well, I wasn't suggesting
well, I wasn't suggesting giving up... I was just wondering what would happen if we took a different approach... one where we tried just ignoring them and doing whatever we want anyways....
my guess is it wouldn't be very effective... what with the use of guns and force on their part anyways..... unless people were willing to get shot and killed...
I would think that eventually these people would have to just give up and not care anymore, otherwise, they'd be the last people alive on the planet... they'd have to be insane and incredibly barbaric to want that... but then again, maybe I don't understand them....
I highly recommend a different approach
We have to target the only real enemy, the Federal Reserve System and all involved. Like the mafia trials, bring all of them in and no protections. They have been behind every major problem in this world for way way too long.
If it's not a trial we can trust, lets use their own tactics and start exercising lucky number 2.
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I agree.... I just wonder
I agree.... I just wonder how effective that will be assuming we succeed... I mean, this is the 3rd national bank. It seems to keep rearing it's ugly head, even after you chop it off....
No one has ever been able to
Really explain it before. AND money has always had real value, until recently. I will elaborate if you want, but you see where I'm going.
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the battle between
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the european financial powers and America does sate back to its inception.
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