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RESOLVED ! Legacy Ford in Rosenberg, TX INSULTS Ron Paul Supporters !!!

Saturday September 6th, 2008 about 7 pm
On Saturday, we were shopping for new vehicles and decided to stop at the local Ford dealership in Rosenberg. We stopped in at Legacy Ford on the Southwest Freeway to check out the new Ford Flex. (The Ford Flex is new for 2009 and it is an interesting 7 seater.) A sales person who identified himself as Gene approached us as we got out of our 1998 Chevy Astro van. Now I should explain that our van does have a very unique look. We allowed the kids to use chalk spray paint to paint the van as they saw fit. This was several weeks ago, so the chalk paint is only a shadow of it once was. We also have all of our Eat Real Food, Keep Austin Weird, and other various earth friendly stickers on our back window. Also on the back of the van is a good sized Ron Paul bumper sticker. So, I proceeded to ask Gene about the flex, and pricing, etc. He was evasive about price no less than 3 times. I asked him what the price was and he rattled off some vague numbers, 27K to 43K. I said ok. He then went into the different levels of trim. I said ok, and asked if he had one on the lot that was close by, he walked a few feet and looked confused. I told him that we saw 2 and they were both out by the street, a good walk for a hot day. I decided to forgo looking at the vehicles for now (it was supper time and the kids were hungry) and went back to price. I asked Gene what they were selling for, and he proceeded to tell me that they were a new vehicle and that the sticker from 27K to 43K depending on what you wanted. I then told Gene that I already knew what they stickered for and I was asking what they were selling for, looking for discounts/rebates/cashback, etc. I then told him that I had already asked about selling price twice and that this was his last chance to talk price with me. He started to go back into his sticker price speech so I interrupted him, told him how insulted I was and did not have time for his games. I handed his card back to him and told him “good day”. He continued to talk, so I again told him “good day” indicating that our conversation was indeed over. When my family and I turned to get back in to our vehicle and go on with our day, Gene started to head back into the dealership and as he walked away he noticed that we had the Ron Paul bumper sticker on our van, he then proceeded to say: “Oh, you’re Ron Paul people, that explains it”. I waited for a brief moment for him to redeem himself or offer an explanation such as “I support him too”, or any other phrase which would make his comment something other than highly offensive. When he offered no resolve, I came totally unglued; I could not believe what I had just heard! I walked up to him and confronted him after my horrified shock. I said, “Did you just say what I think you said?” he nodded affirmatively. I asked to see a manager immediately. I followed Gene over to the manager’s area that was surrounded by all of the sales staff and a customer or two. I proceeded to tell the manager what had just taken place, and Gene interrupted me to confirm that he did say exactly what I had just told the manager he said. I was even more incensed when the manager had no reaction and said nothing. At this point, I raised my voice to a level that would allow anyone within 50 feet to clearly hear what I was saying and I stated that “I would NEVER, as long as I lived, step foot into this dealership or any Ford dealership and would never ever buy any Ford product.” I started to walk back to my van when I remembered that I already had financing in place, so to really hit my point home, I walked back to the mangers office and told them how big of a cash sale they had just lost. Not only did they lose me as customer that day, they lost me as a customer for life. What I am asking from you is that you call or email the dealership and each give them a piece of your mind. I am also asking that you be professional and under no circumstances should you use foul language. Let’s show them that this type of behavior is unacceptable. We are forwarding a copy of this letter to the Houston Automobile Dealers Association, Legacy Ford Owners, Houston BBB, all of the Ron Paul supporters, as well as any and all of the Ford people that we can find and Ford corporate offices.
Here is all of the dealership information:
LEGACY FORD LINCOLN MERCURY
27225 Southwest Freeway
Rosenberg, TX 77471
(888) 704-1286

This is the owner of Legacy Ford
Ron Ewer, Owner
tel:281-342-5611
rewer@legacyfordtx.com

This is the sales manger that had no reaction:
Derek Frantz, Pre-Owned Sales Manager
tel:281-342-5611 ext-2165
dfrantz@legacyfordtx.com
This is the salesman:
Gene Hoot, Salesman
tel:281-342-5611 ext-2060
fax:281-342-0788
ehoot@legacyfordtx.com

Thank You,
Scott and Anne Webster & Family

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I emailed the owner right

I emailed the owner right away. Said I'm a Texan, born and raised, and I got family in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio...

Told him flat out, that car salesmen don't have the greatest rep to begin with, so they outta be cognizant of that, when slamming a customer.

I'm glad you got your apology. And now I know I can go car shopping there and not have to worry about the Ron Paul stickers that adorn my FORD truck.

d

A special thanks...

to my fellow friends and patriots for your help in resolving this matter quickly and effectively. We have accepted the apology as follows:

Mr. Ewer,

Thank you for your prompt reply to my email and the emails and calls of others. I want to apologize up front to Mr. Gene Hoot, as we incorrectly identified him from your website and we regret any negative effects this may have had on him. I know it is difficult being the owner and being held responsible for your employees’ actions, and I hope Mr. Krichmar understands that when he is on the “sales floor” he is a representative of you and your company and the parent companies your dealership represents. While I support your salespersons rights to express their choice for elected officials, I do not support the fact that his comment was not in a political context, but meant as a way to insult us and our choices. That said, we accept your apology and we have let all of our fellow friends and patriots know that this issue has been resolved. http://www.dailypaul.com/node/60742 I hope that you and the rest of your sales staff are able to repair the damage done and continue on a prosperous journey. I also want to thank you for your offer of showing us a vehicle, however, we must decline as we have already picked out another vehicle.

Thank You,

Anne Webster

This is the apology letter that we have received and will accept

Dear Mr. & Mrs. Webster, 09-08-2008

I would like to apologize for not getting back with you sooner. You have many friends, and I have been trying to read their emails as well as conduct a meeting about the situation that took place Saturday. I received another email from Jeff Daiell and would like to apologize to him also.

As a small business owner, I face many challenges. How to treat our customers is at the top of this list. I in no way support derogatory statements on politics, race, or religion, etc. We spend time training our employees to be fair and helpful to all customers.

I am sorry you felt the salesperson was not upfront or straight with you. I would like to clarify that the salesperson you spoke with was not Gene Hoot. His name was Larry Krichmar. I have spoken in depth with Larry, and he has received a formal written warning that will be placed in his employment file.

I understand a final price was not given. I take full responsibility for this. I have worked in dealerships that have given customers a price and then once they look at the vehicle, another price is given usually higher. I would hate to know that my sales staff did that.

We pride ourselves on honesty and integrity Our business will only grow if we take care of our customers. We are starting a training session tomorrow, and this will be covered with ALL of the employees, not just the sales staff. Please let me hear from you after you get this response. I would like to make sure you received this and that you hopefully will except my apology.

In no way do we condone Larry’s statement. If you would like to come in and pick out a vehicle, I will give you a straight forward price including discounts, rebates, or cashbacks.

We live in a great country. I have worked all over the world and seen all kinds of people, places, and governments. I love our country and the ability of freedom of speech; however, not in your case where you were insulted.

Customer satisfaction always comes first at Legacy Ford Lincoln Mercury. We live in a fast growing area. In order for us to grow with our community, we MUST satisfy all customers.

Thank you for your time, and please accept my deepest apology.

Regretfully yours,

Ron Ewer

Owner
Legacy Ford Lincoln Mercury
27225 Southwest Freeway
Rosenberg, Texas 77471

Office: 281-342-5611
rewer@legacyfordtx.com

" My responsibility is leadership, and the minute I get negative, that is going to have an influence on my team"

hahahaha

You have many friends, and I have been trying to read their emails as well as conduct a meeting about the situation that took place Saturday.

Yes you do my friend

We are starting a training session tomorrow, and this will be covered with ALL of the employees, not just the sales staff.

Cause it took him all day to read all of or emails hahahaha

What a great story he is a liberty loving American and all his workers are getting a liberty lesson cause of us. This is the greatest movement ever. Minus the evil little trolls who should be squished. Shame on people who cannot show simple support for a friend.

A note -

We incorrectly identified the salesperson from the website and we will be forwarding an apology of our own to him.

FORD and the failing support of supposed Ron Paul patriots

I am so sickened by this, one of our own is calling for some type of support, she ain't asking for you to donate money, she ain't asking for you to go anywhere, she ain't asking for you to give up your first born, she is simply asking for some type of support in an action that clearly needs it from us. If you cant even lift a finger for typed support, please send me your name and a photo cause when the shit hits the fan, and we all know it will, I want to know who to protect and who to kick to the damn gestapo. This is simple, not requiring any physical action save some fat fingers on a keyboard and you find stupid childish and befitting of a Neocon, reasons why she shouldn't have our support and then to go so far as to question the validity of her in total, well let me tell you I know her and her husband personally and if you don't then you have failed at finding out who your base support is in this movement. If you don't have to guts to at least type something to the dealership in response to this then you go have your damn McCain cake and eat it too, cause you will not be smiling when you are the ones asking for support and the looney label gets applied to you.
Thank you,
come again
TheDude4Liberty

Thank you

for your support !!!

I't okay if you don't want to act on this...

I have said many times in this thread that there is no reason for you to feel obligated to contact this dealership or any Ford executives if you don't feel this incident warrants action. As far as the sticker price, come on...we read the expose about car sales tactics and I really would rather not have a new car than have to buy one from a dealership. We all know what a scam it is. Now, as far as sticker price goes, there is a BIG difference between 27 and 43...he could have told us we could get a moderately appointed one for about 37 and that would have been a good enough answer...we didn't know much about the Flex because we normally wouldn't consider a Ford, but hubby just loved the way it looked. We were simply looking for a vague price range so we would know before wasting any time test driving if we wanted to spend that much. They count on you having your budget set by a monthly payment, not how much you want to spend total. We are savvy car buyers and we were writing a check (a capital one auto finance check if you must know)...we didn't want to waste an hour with hungry kids only to find out that we wouldn't buy it because it was more than we wanted to spend. thank you for all the thoughtful comments and action and I will let you know if we hear from the dealership.

What would Ron Paul do?

I'm pretty sure he would not be rude and I am certain he wouldn't shout.

When I have any kind of identifying Ron Paul mark on me or my vehicle I do my best to be an ambassador for the Liberty movement. That means being overly polite. When I walk away I want people to think to themselves "Wow, those Ron Paul supporters are great!"

Bluntly, it sounds to me like you did just the opposite. The Ron Paul comment was nothing more than the outburst of a person looking for something to hurt you with because you pissed them off. Now you are trying to get revenge by turning the Ron Paul people against this salesman and his company.

I suggest that when you go to buy a car, which is probably always going to be a confrontational experience for you, go unmarked. Then you can be rude and shout all you want without hurting the Liberty movement.

That's a very good comment.

That's a very good comment. Ron Paul has been cooling my hot head. But it's been tough. ;-)

Why worry He will be out of

Why worry He will be out of a job soon enough. Who the hell is buying cars right now? Most people are living check to check and afraid of the state of the economy. Even the ignorant people out there know something us up even though they can't put a finger to it. The things We valued yesterday will not be important in the future remember that.

The economy is great

In the past year, got a job that pays 14% more, and paid off all my non-house debt...ala, http://www.DaveRamsey.com.

Most companies that say they are having financial problems do so to pull off some sort of scam. For example, airline companies make contracts with organized pilots to pay a certain amount *unless* the company is broke...so they cook the books to say they are broke and thus can lessen the pay.

Governments do that too...except the government deals in productivity...meaning how much can they make us work for as little as possible. So they scare the crap out of the people making them think the economic sky is falling...making them glad to just have a job, who cares if it pays crap.

Also, the government uses fear-mongering to justify its corrupt money-laundering. For example, the housing bail-out is a cover for moving tax payer money to the banks...this money isn't to pay off predatory loans (the consumer will still have to do that), it is to pay off what the government owes to others and for pork projects...yep, lots of politicians will get rich doing this.

But the reality is that boomers are retiring so fast and new jobs are opening so fast, that unemployment is so low many companies have to run outside the country to get workers. By and large, US companies aren't outsourcing US jobs...they aren't enough US workers around.

And we haven't hit the big boomers retirement curve yet...then good US jobs will be plentiful...however, that won't be in the news. The news will make the economy seem even worse...to justify even more government corruption and to scare the people.

Frankly, most US people have incomes that can make them wealthy...they just are so spoiled and ignorant by living in such luxury, they waste it all and then get in debt.

Just a quick interlude

While the whole, "Oh, you're Ron Paul people." comment is regrettable, rude, and absolutely uncalled for, it's not for the reason I think you're proposing.

I have another reason to propose for why he was looking to insult you, it's because you were abrasive and rude first.

You're saying he's evasive about price, and yet he quoted you the price each time, 27K to 43K depending on your options and packaging. I can see why he'd be confused as to why you keep asking about price.

"I said ok, and asked if he had one on the lot that was close by, he walked a few feet and looked confused. I told him that we saw 2 and they were both out by the street, a good walk for a hot day. I decided to forgo looking at the vehicles for now (it was supper time and the kids were hungry) and went back to price."

You went in, claiming to be looking for a sale, and yet didn't want to look at a vehicle and had hungry kids with you, trying to dig out the cheapest price available.

"I then told Gene that I already knew what they stickered for and I was asking what they were selling for, looking for discounts/rebates/cashback, etc. I then told him that I had already asked about selling price twice and that this was his last chance to talk price with me."

So now you've already insulted him as a salesperson. When a customer says this, it's the same as saying, "Look slick, I've heard all about the sticker price, but you'd better do better because I'm not falling for that sham." Perhaps this could have been avoided by simply asking, "Are there any discounts, cash back, rebates, A-Z plan options currently available?" Rather than assuming he's withholding valuable information and trying to screw you.

Ford credits and other assorted dealership credits do not come out of a salespersons' commission. As you were looking at NEW cars, the price is set. If there is a discount available, the salesman WANTS you to know about it because it increases their likelihood of making a sale.

"He started to go back into his sticker price speech so I interrupted him, told him how insulted I was and did not have time for his games. I handed his card back to him and told him “good day”. He continued to talk, so I again told him “good day” indicating that our conversation was indeed over."

And he's a crowning achievement and a credit to all Ron Paul supporters, which I'm sure made confirmed for him what the media told him when they said we're all crazy. You acted like a crazy. He told you NO LESS THAN 3 TIMES that there were no price breaks and that you'd be paying sticker based on your trim options. There's aren't ALWAYS price breaks on new vehicles. Sometimes it's only trucks, or SUVs, or hybrids. So you then said, "GOOD DAY SIR!" and thrust his card back at him. If I were him, I'd be wondering if you took crazy pills myself.

You mention his comment is offensive. It's offensive to Ron Paul's movement in the way that now there's another person saying, "Wow, I met with a Ron Paul supporter, that guy WAS nuttier than a sack of Planters!"

"At this point, I raised my voice to a level that would allow anyone within 50 feet to clearly hear what I was saying and I stated that “I would NEVER, as long as I lived, step foot into this dealership or any Ford dealership and would never ever buy any Ford product.”"

Did you ask for your soapbox back when you left? Making an obviously ludicrous and sloped statement publicly? Do you honestly feel this made the other customers in the dealership more likely to say... buy a Saturn or more likely to think you're just a crazy? What you're saying is that your idea to buy a Ford in the first place was founded on absolutely nothing other than whim. You are taking a social argument you had and translating it to never buying a Ford car again. Isn't this a bit illogical? Buying insulted by one measly floor sales rep has irreparably changed your buying decision for the rest of your life.

"I started to walk back to my van when I remembered that I already had financing in place"

So you, knowing that they'd lost a sale and deciding to take your business to another dealership, walked away with your head held high knowing you'd have a new car soon?

"so to really hit my point home, I walked back to the mangers office and told them how big of a cash sale they had just lost. Not only did they lose me as customer that day, they lost me as a customer for life."

Oh.

Look Scott and Anne Webster & Family, I'm not saying you're bad people by any means. You're probably great people who were having a rough day and got peeved at a salesman who made the unfortunate decision that all Ron Paul people set off at the drop of a hat.

I'm not upset if you yelled at the guy or whatever, but look, don't use Ron Paul's name to get your dirty work done. This is a petty, petty matter, and quite frankly beneath your most likely otherwise high standard.

You went in there not really ready to buy that day, not ready to test drive, and not willing to talk about which levels of trim and accessories you wanted. The salesperson therefore couldn't complete his job of giving you the best possible car for you personally. Salespeople don't just not quote prices if you're certain of what you want, it just doesn't happen. If it is a new car, sometimes you pay sticker because you're buying at the wrong time. It happens unfortunately, I'd try buying a year used if I were you.

Bottom line, looking for a reason for why you're acting like you were in that dealership isn't THAT bad. Saying it out loud in front of a customer as opposed to behind his/her back in the break room once he/she is gone? Real bad. That's basically a write up in the folder for certain, unless the customer gets loud in the store with you. In which case, you dislike the customer immediately, assume it's a chip on the shoulder issue, and you let the employee off easy.

The worst part about all of this I can see, aside from the blatant attempt at a power grab to satisfy a personal affront, is the damage incidents like this do to the Ron Paul movement. Do you really think Paul, as a model of behavior, would have acted that way? Every time you're out in public with that sticker, you are representing Ron Paul. You have the power to convert and draw supporters or shun them to the other side forever. Please don't take that power for granted.

Eric Hoffer

you make some good points.

you make some good points. and your assumptions MIGHT have a leg to stand on....IF we were discussing anyone else...

but we're not

we're discussing CAR SALESMEN

and unless you've been one....you have no idea what you're dealing with.

the shenanigans and the gamesmanship start the moment you walk on the lot.

if they can get you emotional or uptight without you leaving the lot....the better it is.

it's a shell game.

it's confrontational.

and if you haven't experience any of this, then you've been the one financing all the execs bonuses. lol.

it's kind of like when your sitting down at the poker table....asking yourself "I wonder who the sucker is..." (hint, if you're asking the question.)

Screw your peacenikking, namby-pamby, BS.

I will be emailing Ford, as well as, the dealership.

It doesn't matter whether or not you think he was savvy in his negotiating skills. The problem began after the salesman saw the bumper sticker as far as I'm concerned.

People who treat Ron Paul supporters like they are garbage will feel it in the pocket book.

I think you'd be surprised at how Ron Paul would act if pushed hard enough. Take your emotional blackmail and your advice back to the girls on the "O" forum.

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Oh boy

Oh good.

Leaping to the cause of overreaction we have here Lisa C.

While I'd like to abstain from any "screwing," I would like to mention that the sort of over the top reactionary thinking you're supporting absolutely isn't what led us into the War on Terror. Really, it isn't. We absolutely didn't take so much offense at the happenings of 9/11 that we're spending however many billions a year now under the guise of, "teach them to mess with America."

Look, this guy wasn't treating her family like garbage BECAUSE they were Ron Paul supporters, he treated them like garbage because they were acting rude in his mind, as I believe I explained in excess above. We're people, we do that from time to time. We take offense when we shouldn't, we insult people, we take out frustrations. That in no way makes it right, nor does it make it right to attempt to mobilize a large force because one member was insulted.

This is a personal, individual matter and should be handled as such, between the person and the dealership. Please leave your "peacenikking" with your "socialism today" magazine. Utilizing the power of the masses isn't necessary here. Taking individual responsibility is.

I'd be surprised at how Ron Paul would act? Yeah, I'd be real surprised if he began yelling bloody murder in a Ford dealership over someone insulting his choice for president.

It is funny however, your associating individual action and responsibility as opposed to group action with women, who are usually more likely to form groups. Unsolved issues with your common gender?

I'll make you a deal Lisa, I'll head straight to "O" forums and discuss politics with them when you take the steroid and testosterone pills back to GNC.

Eric Hoffer

In response to your comment...

"That in no way makes it right, nor does it make it right to attempt to mobilize a large force because one member was insulted."

I am only asking those who find this offensive to act. I am not trying to mobilize a large force. Just to express your disdain if you are indeed angered by this incident. That's the beauty of personal freedom.

Beauty

Yes, but the beauty of personal freedom is also that you bear personal responsibility for what you're doing. You obviously want some form of response being sent to this dealership. You want them to feel fear, to feel upset, to feel loss. Why? Isn't the loss of business enough? Letting people know who the dealership was and asking them not to shop there is one things. Asking them to send nastygrams is going to make Paul supporters look like a bunch of nut jobs carrying out attacks on behalf of your self esteem.

Why is an email from Joe Schmo in Montana going to help this situation?

You're looking for retribution and revenge here, nothing more. If not you wouldn't have asked people to contact them.

Eric Hoffer

Nastygrams ?

I believe that if you read my initial request, you will see that my husband wrote "...What I am asking from you is that you call or email the dealership and each give them a piece of your mind. I am also asking that you be professional and under no circumstances should you use foul language. Let’s show them that this type of behavior is unacceptable..."

This is in no way a "nastygram". I gave full disclosure about the incident and it is up to each individual if they want to respond or not. If the piece of your mind is that we overreacted, fine...call them and tell them or don't..., if you are outraged, call them and tell them or don't....

I am not looking for retribution or revenge, I want them to know that it is unacceptable to insult a customer based on their political affiliations. Maybe the salesperson thinks we all live in caves and have no money with which to buy cars. If he had made a snide remark to any other "group" be it women, jews, democrats, Obama supporters, etc... it would be as unacceptable as it is in this case.

As far as my self esteem, you don't know me or my family. My self esteem is intact, I don't have to drive around a mercedes to feel good about myself. I chose not to. I chose to drive a paid off vehicle. I chose not to live above my means. Based on appearances (except for my house, which tells on me) you would think I live in a tent. Does that mean I deserve any less respect than a guy in a BMW ? No.

What I want to know is why you are so adamantly trying to stop other people from being offended. What are you trying to control ? Why do you waste your time on this thread that you obviously don't care about ? If these people are offended and want to take action, who are you to tell them they shouldn't ?

As for myself, I have stated MULTIPLE times that if you aren't offended and angered by this, then please don't act. If you are offended, then you have the right to act.

Will this be all your wisdom for tonight Eric,

or can we expect you back in another week or two to set us all straight?

It was nice of you to drop by like clockwork -- see you in a fortnight.

___________

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To hell......

with ford.........they suck anyway......I'll support the life long ban on Ford!!!!!!!
Chevy is better anyway.
I kind of had that same enraged feeling this past Friday with a co-worker who happens to be in high school still.
She told me the McCain was real. I told her as opposed to being not real like a robot?!?!
I give her little lectures about political science and how it is all a mind control game now and no one really does what they want or sets there own policies anymore, instead they are told what policies to follow.
She told me I know nothing even though I spend about 2-3 hours studying politics a night!
What got me mad is that she told me she is majoring in Political Science!
When do you major in something in H.S.?!?!
I just bursted out in anger when she tipped my scales by saying that it is just another one of my conspiracy theories.
Political Science people!
Not 9/11
Not Ron Paul
Not Alex Jones.
Political Science!
I told her to grow up and live by herself without mommy and daddy paying for all her crap and then she will see how the real world is and it is not full of lip gloss and fairy dust.
I argued that McCain chose Palin because she's a woman and he wanted to take the hillary vote.
Come on, common sense can see that.
And also, he has vetoed most bills to support Veterans anyway, so he is definitely not for the veterans, but he is for having troops in war!!!!!
HE supports troops when it comes to giving them guns, but when it comes to end of contract wheres my benefits he gives us the bird!!!!!!!
That guy will not live through his first term if elected, he is not healthy.
And Palin's experience is barely a smidge above Obama's.
And also I didn't like that fact she tried to fire her brother in law.
That is too personal and abuse of power.

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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."

Glad

Glad you took the high road and held your ground as a model of behavior as opposed to reducing yourself to name calling to prove your point when dealing with a younger member of society.

Eric Hoffer

that sucks

sucks that that guy said all that, they just don't understand. They are fed everythin by the media. I got a honk the other day in Port Charlotte, FL while driving to Naples, FL, a guy in a nice Lexus or BMW SUV with a University of Florida sticker on the back came along side my car, honked at me and gave me the thumbs up, the only sticker on my SUV is a Ron Paul for President sticker, so that was the first time that has happend.

I think it does a LOT for morale

When we honk at each other and give the thumbs up for the sticker...we have met some of the most wonderful people across the country because of our unifying leader (Dr. Paul). I know I always feel a little less alone when someone comments on my sticker (happened at Costco the other day) ! It also serves as a reminder that everyone who honks at you isn't doing so just because you are taking too long to park and they are in a rush to get their mocha from Starbucks (which I love btw)...

Ya know, a thousand RP bumper sticker's and a few

helpful patriots could send a message ;) lol

We're all 'DAVE' http://digg.com/political_opinion/DAVE_calls_for_Ron_Paul_re...

The DP is proof that the grassroots support for Ron Paul and his peaceful message of individual liberty is large, real, and not going away!

As good as it would feel...

My husband and I talked about this one and we decided that it was vandalism and we would be lowering ourselves to the level of the stupid if we were to do that...now, standing across the median from the dealership with some signs....probably a better idea...

Dearborn is where you need to go to change the dealership's

actions and persona. Most don't know it but the customer questionairre's mean a big payday to the dealerships and they guard their reputations with the manufacturer's with utmost care. In many cases the merit kickbacks from the manufacturer's is the deciding factor of whether and how much a dealership is in the black at the end of the year.

You want to hurt them in their pocketbooks. I'd send a letter to Dearborn and C.C. the dealership owner...you will see neither the salesman nor the manager for long! I promise you.

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Although I don't agree with

Although I don't agree with picking this fight in the first place (and I know, he did insult you), I do agree that going over their heads is definitely your best tactic at this point. Vandalising with bumper stickers won't do anyone any good - it could land in you in the clink and only paint all RP followers as kooks. Didn't sound like you took doing that seriously, but just in case...

The usual "attract more flies...", "kill 'em with kindness...", and Khan's sage advice (hit search if necessary) all seem to apply here.

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Thank you...

No, we never seriously considered the bumper stickers. We just had a little dark fun thinking of it...NEVER was on the table for action. I appreciate your balanced comment.