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It's ironic how many people on this site have issues w/the truth movement when.....

RP himself doesn't believe we've been given the truth either!

And before anyone replies, "yes he does" remember he would support a new investigation and initiate one as president.

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You compare apples to oranges

Not believing the government story is one thing, but the "truthers" take it a step further and offer up just as absurd alternatives, which is what most people refuse to subscribe to, I being one of them. When the "truthers" can get away from holograms and tomahawk missile theories, and put together an undeniable coherent rendition instead of offering hypotheticals and anecdotes based on very loose or non-existent correlations, then I'll jump on the band wagon.

With the exception of a few ...

noone has "issues" with the truth movement. It is the "inside job" movement and their lack of ability to call speculation what it is, speculation.

Post as you please, but you will judged based on your posts. Make no mistake about it.

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not ironic

human nature...as a rough analogy, imagine if in a time of fear and apocalyptic expectation a guy walked around speaking in defiance of the most holy worldly authorities' stories and wound up publicly humiliated and ridiculed on a cross, how many purported Christians of today, transported back in time, would have the courage to accept or even entertain his "truth"? 300 million population today in America...12 sounds about right.

Expecting humans to act otherwise is naive and arguing about it even 7 years later is not very productive. Perhaps it takes time for such uncomfortable "truth" to be broadly conceivable, if at all. One hundred years, considering human history, would be a short time span to open up the public mind to really considering the "mysteries" of 9/11. Those investigating it should view their work as being for posterity and only look there for much acceptance. Let them keep working diligently with integrity and they will have their due reward.

Think in terms of a Cost-Benefit Analysis

Why should we mention 9-11 at all knowing how divisive of an issue it is, when we can stick to the idea of freedom which brings us all together?

Should we be focusing on what brings us all together, or should we bring up the issue of freedom MIXED together with an extremely divisive issue?

I choice is obvious.

That's not irony

It's ironic how few people truly understand what an irony is.

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As I have stated, I do not

As I have stated, I do not consider myself a "truther" even though I have thousands of questions regarding 9/11. I do however, wish to state that regarding the very nature of Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Neo-Cons, I would not put anything past them, including High Treason! They are corrupt to the core, they are liars with reprobate minds capable of any crime to gain or retain power. The entire episode should be opened for a fine-tooth investigation, from the top to the bottom, from the failure of the SOPs to the the financial/political dealings of everyone remotely involved with the decisions made on that fateful day.

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Its not Ironic

What's Ironic is that you call it the 911 truth movement at all, since you are lying about what the "truth" movement really is.

The truth movement is not the idea that "the 911 commision did a bad job, or that the government was inept on 911".

The truth movement should be called the "911 is an Inside Job" movement. Now there isn't even a shred of evidence to suggest this. Its the Buildings were demolished, no plane hit the pentagon, flight 93 was shot down crowd that I resent. It is you folks that make the CFL look like a bunch of kooks, you are the achilles Heel of the movement. All the MSM has to do is get you yelling about 911, and any politician trying to run under the ideas of CFL looses credibility.

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is that all you got?

scare tactics?

"The truth movement is not the idea that "the 911 commision did a bad job, or that the government was inept on 911"...
...yes, the truth movement IS this also and I would find it extremely odd that, even without the 911 issue, you could not somehow find fault in the revolution...fuuny weird how you managed to include the words kooks, achilles heel, and loss of credibility (many of the same things the msm used to portray us) in your analysis...perhaps you've forgotten that we don't give a rat's ass what the msm spreads in their disinfo propaganda because we know it, and you, are full of lies...

lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way because the truth is coming no matter how much you ignore or deny it!

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9/11 Truth.

If the leadership of the

If the leadership of the Campaign for Liberty was worried about truthers, they wouldn't have invited Jesse Ventura to speak, and Ron wouldn't continue to appear on Alex Jones' show. This is self-evident.

To suggest otherwise is to spin and twist the issue.

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Supposedly Ron told or asked

Supposedly Ron told or asked Jesse V. to cool down the rhetoric.

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C4L is corrupt!

It has been organized by a man named Ron Paul who has stated on many occasions that he does not believe that the government sponsored 9/11. This crazy old doctor went so far as to call the 9/11 Truth movement "preposterous."

Anyone who really cares about revealing 9/11 Truth should be aware that Ron Paul is a troll of the highest order. He does not support this valiant cause. Do not fall for his insane ramblings denying 9/11 Truth.

So... is this your final

So... is this your final answer? Thanks for playing, now go away.

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Spot on

I speak from personal experience.

When I was asked by the Campaign for Liberty state coordinator for my state to become a congressional district coordinator for the Campaign for Liberty and to attend the Leadership Summit, I specifically and pointedly addressed the fact that I am a 9/11 Truth activist and that I would publicly continue this activism into the foreseeable future. I was told that this isn't a problem and I was invited on these terms.

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There you go.

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Oh, I See

You're just a concerned observer trying to "help out" the Ron Paul campaign.

Right.

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Nope, I'm trying to help myself

And the success of the CFL movement will be really good for me, my family and decendants.

I wasn't responding to

I wasn't responding to you.

I do agree with that statement of yours.

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Can anyone verify

The quote of Rn Paul that RonBarr uses below? I can't Picture RP speaking that way.

Yes

It's from a radio interview with John Gibson on Fox Radio, September 13, 2007. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-28-_tv1qg

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Do You Support Ron Paul's Call For A New Investigation?

I realize you're not a Ron Paul supporter, but since you spend so much time on this forum, I think you should tell us if you do.

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I supports an investigation to

to find out who was inept at figuring out that the terrorists were coming. That's the investigation Dr. Paul supports.

Someone saying that is the not same thing as them saying they support an investigation to find a government conspiracy to kill thousands of innocent Americans. So don't include Dr. Paul and me with the Truthers.

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You Can't Pre-Determine What An Investigation Will Find

It will lead where it leads, why not just leave it at that?

You have nothing to do with Dr. Paul. Why do you pretend you do?

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Because Dr. Paul and me want to dissociate ourselves

from your view. We want to make it clear that we support an investigation to find ineptness, not a conspiracy. This makes us NOT Truthers.

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If you wish to be a

If you wish to be a spokesperson for the movement, this board is not the place to do it.

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Lol, He Worries About A Candidate And An Issue He Doesn't Suppor

How transparent can this guy be?

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You Don't Know What My View Is, Apparently

I, like Ron Paul, demand a new investigation. And, unlike you and the rest of the neocons, I'm not frightened of where it will lead. Not a conspiracy? You cannot say logically that you don't support an investigation to find a "conspiracy" (apparently, your favorite word), if the investigation is to be truly open. You don't know what an investigation will find, unless it's rigged.

Are those conspiracists still out to get you?

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I say the same thing Dr. Paul says,

when he's asked if he supports more investigation. He always makes it explicit that he's supporting looking into who dropped the ball in figuring out that the terrorists were coming, and makes it clear that he's not looking for a conspiracy. I don't think that makes either of us "afraid" of what the investigation may find, no matter what it is.

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No, That's Not What He Says

He says he wants a new investigation, and does not say the results should be pre-determined. Why do you pretend he does?

Man, you love that "conspiracy" term. Did you just discover it?

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Hip-Hip-Hooray!

Sorry to say that you are another one of the folks here with poor attention skills.

Here's the erroneously-named "Truther" modus operandi:

1. Spout unsupportable wild theories, post hundreds of links to paranoia sites and radio talk show host sites (not for a second realizing they are just opinion and devoid of solid facts)
2. Argue for months on end (with a religiously zealotry usually seen in radical Islamists and Sarah Palin supporters) about the minutia of what Dr. Paul said about 9/11, despite incontrovertible evidence of his actual opinion... in numerous interviews
3. Continue to argue over the finer points of "falling at the rate of gravity", "fuel burning metal", "demolition" and other uneducated points of view
4. Curse the lot of us, including Ron Paul and slinking off under a rock

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Listen to what he says.

He says he supports an investigation to find ineptness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0

He always makes this clear when he's asked about supporting an investigation, so that he's not associated with the Truthers.

Also here, he explains that his position is that 9/11 was NOT an inside job:

Mike Gallagher: "Is it fair to say that you believe that there was some kind of either government conpiracy or coverup involving September 11th, 2001?"

Ron Paul: "No, not really. I never bring that up. Some people try to twist what I say and turn it into that. And I think some of my supporters lean in that direction, but that's not my position. I do think government's basically inept. I mean we were spending $40 billion a year collecting intelligence, and a lot of information was out there. We had one FBI agent, I think sent dozens and dozens of memos to his superiors saying that there are people trying to fly airplanes but not land them. And, nobody would pay any attention, so I don't think that's a conspiracy; I think that's a lot of bureaucracy that doesn't work very well. And then when we have government investigations, whether it's 9/11 or assassinations, I think the main goal is to protect the government and to protect their ineptness. And that is a lot different than saying 'Oh they conspired to do this because they can use this as an excuse to spread the war in the Middle East whether they had anything to do with 9/11 or not.' I don't see it that way, but I believe some who did want to spread the war would use it as an opportunity. But, it wasn't something that was deliberately done."

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