A Factual Perspective: What You Should Know About September 11, 2001
If you have doubts the government is not telling the truth, I can understand - I was with you a month ago. When I doubt something, I have to thoroughly research before becoming convinced of it for myself; such was my discovery of the truth about the raid on the FLDS children that led me here, and even my eventual conversion to supporting Ron Paul. I guess you could call me a doubter.
Anyway, here's some solid facts, that definitely won't be a waste of your time.
1) The government excluded it's own basic facts from each and every one of it's thousands of pages of investigations - yes I read and searched them all;
Five days after the disaster, NASA measured surface temperatures of up to 1,376 degrees (1020 Kelvin) at the sites where all three World Trade Center skyscrapers collapsed.
Data at USGS from NASA:
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html
The NASA data is not mentioned once in the hundreds of pages of the 9/11 Commission Report or any of the thousands of pages of the NIST reports, not once.
2) Actual mainstream media footage from September 11, 2001 and eyewitness accounts of explosions:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=4488542891415...
3) Recently published scientific paper in the peer-reviewed, Open Civil Engineering Journal, on April 8, 2008 (click download - 5 page summary and citations from Ph.D physicist, et al.):
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCIEJ/2008/00...
INTRODUCTION
"On September 11, 2001, the Twin Towers of the World
Trade Center (WTC) were hit by airplanes. Total destruction
of these high-rises at near free-fall speeds ensued within two
hours, and another high-rise which was not hit by a plane
(WTC 7) collapsed about seven hours later at 5:20 p.m."
4) George Washington University's National Security Archive - declassified Top Secret government document that proves that even 46 years ago, our government was planning to stage terrorist attacks against America in order to justify to the world the invasion of other countries:
and another..
"Home Run"
Electronically Hijacking the World Trade
Center Attack Aircraft
Copyright Joe Vialls, October 2001
The author is a former member of the Society of Licenced Aeronautical Engineers & Technologist, London
In the mid-seventies America faced a new and escalating crisis, with US commercial jets being hijacked for geopolitical purposes. .. two American multinationals collaborated with the Defense Advanced Projects Agency (DARPA) on a project designed to facilitate the remote recovery of hijacked American aircraft. …“Home Run” [not its real code name] allowed specialist ground controllers to ..take absolute control of its computerized flight control system by remote means.
From that point onwards, regardless of the wishes of the hijackers or flight deck crew, the hijacked aircraft could be recovered and landed automatically … with computers controlling onboard autopilots, which in turn were capable of controlling all of the onboard hydraulics. In combination these multiple different functions were now known as the “Flight Control System” or FCS.
In summary, by the mid-seventies most of the large jets were capable of effectively navigating hundreds of miles and then making automatic landings .. All of this could be accomplished unaided, but.. In order to make Home Run truly effective, it had to be completely integrated with all onboard systems....
Under cover of extreme secrecy, the multinationals and DARPA went ahead on this basis and built “back doors” into the new computer designs. There were two very obvious hard requirements at this stage, the first a primary control channel for use in taking over the flight control system and flying the aircraft ..and secondly a covert audio channel for monitoring flight deck conversations.
Once the primary channel was activated, all aircraft functions came under direct ground control, permanently removing the hijackers and pilots from the control loop.
Remember here, this was not a system designed to “undermine” the authority of the flight crews, but .. used to fly all of the survivors to a friendly airport for a safe auto landing. ..for the very best of reasons..
Most readers will have heard of a “transponder”, prominent in most news reports immediately following the attacks on New York and Washington. Technically a transponder is a combined radio transmitter and receiver which operates automatically, in this case relaying data between the four aircraft and air traffic control on the ground. The signals sent provide a unique “identity” for each aircraft, .. and equally essential for Home Run controllers trying to lock onto the correct aircraft.
Once it has located the correct aircraft, Home Run “piggy backs” a data transmission onto the transponder channel and takes direct control from the ground. This explains why none of the aircraft sent a special “I have been hijacked” transponder code, .. the transponder frequency had already been piggy backed by Home Run, transmission of the special hijack code was rendered impossible. This was the first hard proof that the target aircraft had been hijacked electronically from the ground, rather than by [FBI-inspired] motley crews of Arabs toting penknives.
The Home Run listening device on the flight deck utilizes the cockpit microphones that normally feed the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR), one of two black boxes armored to withstand heavy impact and thereby later give investigators significant clues to why the aircraft crashed.
However, once hooked into Home Run, the CVRs are bypassed and voice transmissions are no longer recorded on the 30-minute endless loop recording tape. If Home Run is active for more than thirty minutes, there will therefore be no audible data on the Cockpit Voice Recorders.
To date, crash investigators have recovered the CVRs from the Pentagon and Pittsburg aircraft, and publicly confirmed that both are completely blank. .. providing the final hard proof that the attack aircraft were hijacked electronically from the ground, rather than by “Arab terrorists”.
15 October 2001
"Business Week" (22Oct) decided to publish an unusual letter, suggesting that the events of the 11th of September would have ended rather differently if there was a capability for Ground Tower Control to "take over the controls of a hijacked plane"
18 October 2001
Suddenly, more than five weeks after the attack and for no apparent reason, the most powerful newspaper in the western world published a major article "reinforcing" the myth that physical hijackers were responsible for the attacks on 11 September.
Within hours of this newspaper going to press, television reporters across the entire western world repeated the fiction to their own viewing publics.
19 October 2001
During the past few days I have received many emails asking for a written explanation of who was behind the attacks on 11 September, and why. As an investigator I can prove how the attack was carried out, but I cannot prove why or by whom. ..
To add another
input:
1. If it was not our government who was involved then
it had to be Israel ( 5 guys applauding were Israeli's )
2. William Rodriguez - listen to his story he was one
of the last survivors to leave the towers before they fell
Last but not least study Implosions compared to free falling buildings
and look how they are when the falling ends.
"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "
My take, for what it's worth ... maybe nothing !
Some people, reference this ongoing ( will it ever end ? ) truther/anti-truther debate, seem to feel:
I BELIEVE ... therefore ... I am RIGHT !
If anyone chooses to disagree with me ...
I will insult them, and call them names ( schoolyard mentality ) ...
And that will PROVE ( in my mind ) that I am RIGHT !
Insults and name-calling only show your inadequacies !
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Our fondest wishes. and our worst fears, are seldom realized !
you've taken a very slick approach...
vlbc, in the way you actually DO what you claim others are doing...and, to answer your question, No, it will never end so either get on board or get the hell out of the way! we're through playing "nice" sport and you, and yours, should be the first to understand this...
O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
No,
ecorob, I was just saying that the opinions of some, on both sides, are set in stone, not open to discussion, and you just re-iterated it.
Get on board ... in other words - think the way that I think ... or get out of the way.
Exchange of information is not possible in that environment.
By the way, the "will it ever end ?" was a rhetorical question. Hell, the JFK conspiracy stuff is still going on. And that was 1963 !
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Our fondest wishes. and our worst fears, are seldom realized !
I think people should also stop argueing about this
If you haven't reviewed all the evidence you should not be voicing an opinion in the first place. Truthers are very thorough and very involved meaning we spend hundreds if not in my case thousands of hours researching every theory about 911 that comes around. Some are just insane. I've seen some really rediculous theories. I stick to the live unedited video evidence and the simple logic and physics, I also spent weeks going over the blueprints of the towers and I know those buildings inside and out.
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !
Sentinel, have you heard the
Sentinel, have you heard the Jamie McIntyre commentary from the Pentagon on 9/11?
he was the guy who worked at the pentagon
who said there was no plane crash anywhere near the pentagon right ?
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !
Correct, he's a CNN
Correct, he's a CNN reporter. His account is also on youtube. It's stuff like that reported by the MSM that anti-truthers have no choice but to ignore.
I learned of this from watching "9/11 Ripple Effect." A good, underrated film.
i liked the ripple effect but easily the most concise film
is "improbable collapse" http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782&e...
It covers the facts and nothing but the facts.
also september clues
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8045542387672451515&e...
once again nothing but facts .
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !
Thanks, I haven't seen
Thanks, I haven't seen those.
Don't Like It ?
If you don't like it you can always read something else. Your comments contribute nothing more than the empty 911 commission report!
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
Maybe you missed it !
I'm speaking of BOTH sides !
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Our fondest wishes. and our worst fears, are seldom realized !
No evidence of Arab hijackers
http://bleiersblog.blogspot.com/2007/04/elias-davidsson-why-...
and September Clues, which has some good points:
http://www.thesocialservice.it/
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Power down weeks before 9/11
I just had to put this link at the top for a bump.
And once again........Something else you might want to consider when asking the question, "Why"
All the bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the buildings 2 weeks before that day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB2fHqnqZaE&feature=related
Thanks again Wafflehut!
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
There was also
There was also a red car parked in one of the nearby parking garages!
We KNOW what that means!
Socialists are Everywhere
bet you still believe the world is
flat
no
The world is round.
Now, what you believe is another story.
Socialists are Everywhere
Just to clarify...
I see this alot so just an FYI.
Architects make things look pretty, they aren't steel designers and for all practical purposes their evaluations are more or less speculation.
One thing I thought was rather interesting in the article on the open civil engineering journal was when it quotes the WTC Designer:
"I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I'd bet that he could do it."
He is saying that it would be very difficult to demolish with explosives, but that if you told the best guy in the field to do it, he could probably find a way... This isn't childs play...demolishing buildings is extrememly complex, especially buildings like WTC 1 & 2.
So what follows the assertion that the Twin Towers were a controlled demolition is that you must see how feasible that would be.
1. You need a "Top Expert" for the demolition. How do you find this guy? Who are your options? A mercenary? Unlikely to find one with that kind of skill. Special Forces? Again, this demolition is far more complex than anything EVER done. So you are left only a handful of people in the world and now you have to find the guy who will agree, without asking someone who will turn you down an talk to the police.
2. Once you find the Devious Demolisher he needs guys to place the explosives. Two options here, lot of guys little time, little guys lots of time. Ofcourse you would want to rig the buildings in as short a time possible, after all there are a few hundred maintenance personnel in the WTC 1 & 2, can't have John Doe changing a ballast in a light and see the charge that have been placed, that won't do, he might tell his drinking buddies. So you'll need to have atleast several dozen people for a few weeks to rig the 3 buildings, and just hope that no one finds the charges. Because given the claim of free fall and the denial of possibility of free fall speeds in the presence of structural supports, then ALL of the supports would have to be rigged on all floor, on both WTC 1 & 2...thats a lot of explosives.
Now that you have it rigged you have to worry about these dozens of guys you've had rigging this building that know you are about to commit the biggest act of treason in the history of the USA. Can't let them run around...maybe lock them up in gitmo? But what about their families? Someone's gotta talk? No one had second thoughts about committing mass-murder? And what about those maintenance guys? Maybe they bought them off too...but wait, a lot of them died in the attack...that doesn't make sense...maybe just half of the guys got bought off and they were the ones who did all the ballast replacements...you know maintenance guys hate america and have no morals, I'm sure they would be more than willing to go along with the whole plan.
3. How were the charges set off? by wire? By radio? Well lets throw out the who radio/wireless idea from the get go...NYC probably has the highest concentration of radio waves in the entire world...probably wouldn't want to risk an accidental explosion...ever seen those signs "No radios beyond this point! Explosives in use". So then where are all the wires for the demolition? And doesn't that make the rigging of these charges infinitely more complex?
So let's just take a little Occam's Razor..."All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best."
So what is more likely?
That large planes crashing into a building created conditions which brought about the eventual total collapse?
OR
Government leaders convinced hundreds of people to act in collusion and conspiracy to commit mass murder and treason, executed the plan and not a SINGLE person had second thoughts, notified the press or has since come out an confessed? Does this mean that every person they asked said yes? Or did they just kill those who said no?
It has long been my experience that government is beyond incompetent. Now you want to give them credit for what would be the most brilliantly executed covert operations plan since the Trojan Horse?
Try explaining HOW they did it, not just that there is the possibility that they DID do it, but how could they do it and get away with it?
Permit denied
" It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings. " But Larry Silverstein and the other criminals got richer. " * Many have seen him on TV saying they 'pulled' WTC7, building #3.
I think when you apply for a permit for demolition of a building complex this big, you probably have to have a detailed plan for the method of demolition. I would not be suprised to find out that Controlled Demolition Inc. was the Subcontractor. At least we know they got the job to clear the mess up. Nice convienent 30 ft sections to haul off.
In other words they already had plans on how to bring this complex down drawn up prior to submission of the Demolition Permit that was later denied.
Is there any good
Is there any good information on the applications for demolition or asbestos issue?
I've heard he leased the buildings for 99 years right before 9/11, included a terrorism clause in the lease, and then collected double on the insurance by claiming the two planes hitting the towers were two seperate incidents.
Any reliable documents to back this up?
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
The video I watched, the
The video I watched, the buildings crumbled from the point of impact downward. My question is this, if those buildings were "blown" how did they keep the explosives from detonating when the airliner crashed into them and burned for an hour? How did the demolitions crew know which floors the planes would hit? It's amazing!!
Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio
Explosives and Detonation
Most explosives that are commonly handled, can only easily be set off with blasting caps. That's what makes them relatively safe to store and handle.
As for the demolition, to completely demolish a building like that, the explosives would need to be placed on nearly all floors - if I was doing it, I would remotely detonate the explosions on the floors that were hit by the planes first, that would be common sense.
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
I find it funny that you
I find it funny that you spend so much time explaining how ridiculously difficult and complex it would be to take these buildings down, and then find it likely that all it would take would be one aircraft after all. So which is it?
Thanks for the Inspiration: What I learned about Judaism today
You mention you read the paper published in the civil engineering journal, yet you start off by saying that architects just make things look pretty? You must have not read my post very well, nor checked who wrote the paper before typing up your long reply; the main author has a Ph.D. in Physics.
For all your speculation, let's look at some more facts. The company in charge of cleaning up the World Trade Center was Controlled Demolition, Inc., self described as a global network of offices and agents, all dedicated to the precision application of explosives. They proudly list the demolition of the Alfred B. Murrah Federal Building - Oklahoma City, on their site, but fail to make any mention anywhere about their involvement with 9/11. Controlled Demolition, Inc. also works closely with Department of Defense, Department of Justice, and Department of State all over the world, "From the design of and modification to missile fabrication facilities in South Africa to the elimination of weapons of mass destruction in Central European countries." This is a global organization with very close ties to those in government power.
"Almost immediately, both Houses of Congress quickly passed legislation in September approving $40 billion in emergency aid, at least half of which was designated for disaster recovery in New York, the Pentagon and Pennsylvania." $20,000,000,000.00 was provided for clean up. That's a huge motivator. http://wasteage.com/mag/waste_waste_industry_others/
On September 11, the FBI arrested Israelis with a van full of explosives. They were reported to police when they were seen cheering and taking pictures when the World Trade Center buildings collapsed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHq6JocvDM
Israel spies on the United States. Over 60 Israelis were arrested in connection with 9/11. Amazingly, this was covered by Fox News: It has since been completely removed from the Fox News site.
"The thing that makes Judaism dangerous to everybody, to every nation, to every race, to every idea, is that we smash things that are not true. We don't believe in the boundaries of nation states, we don't believe in the ideas of these individual gods that protect individual groups of people, these are all artificial constructions, and Judaism really teaches us how to see that. In a sense, our detractors have us right, in that we are a corrosive force, we're breaking down the false gods of all nations of all people, because they're not real. And, that's very upsetting to people." - Douglas Rushkoff, author Nothing Sacred: The Truth about Judaism
Thank you for at least inspiring me to research further, I really learned a lot about many Jews involved with 9/11 and Judaism today.
To say I am terribly shocked would be an understatement.
It seems that if a predominantly Christian nation should be at war with anyone, it should be Israel, since, from the above quote, they don't seem to believe in a nation such as America or the Constitution, have been caught spying on the U.S., and especially since Israelis were found with a van full of explosives near the World Trade Center on September 11. Would anyone else found with a van full of explosives be let go on any day?
Instead, the FBI lets them go on illegal immigration charges, and our government gives Israel more aid than all other countries combined - billions of dollars every year.
What is going on? Why does the U.S. government appear to be afraid of Israel, tip-toeing around solid evidence, such as Israelis with a van full of explosives on 9/11?
Yet, our government invades other countries based entirely upon false information or no information at all.
Would Israel like to see the U.S. destroyed if it furthered their beliefs?
Is the U.S. being led around the world and controlled by Israel's interests?
Why?
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
That takes about two minutes to explain....
Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm
Just an interesting excerpt...."The suite in which Marvin Bush was annually re-elected, according to public records, is located in the Watergate in space leased to the Saudi government. The company now holds shareholder meetings in space leased by the Kuwaiti government there. The White House has not responded to various requests for comment." ........Imagine that...no comment on how little Busche was involved.
Now wasn't that easy?
Have a great day all!
Well, here's some interesting info.
Controlled Demolition Inc. was involved in the cleanup there, hired by one of the main cleanup contractors Tully Construction.
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/debris.htm
Controlled Demolition Inc. was also the cleanup crew at the OKC Murrah Building, which also came under super-scrutiny for suspicious explosion which did not match what a truck bomb could do. Many experts also doubted the possibility of the damage type, and much interest was also made in the possible rigging of that building.
Controlled Demolition Inc. was involved to some degree, possibly to some degrees that we are not privy to, in both of these building blow-downs, in the cleanup phase. Which is also what they do for others, OR after they blow down a building themselves.
Controlled Demolition Inc is the world leader, or at least one of them, in bringing massive buildings down into their own footprints in a controlled fashion, exactly as seen in the WTC case. If anybody could do it. they could.
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=2
Now, as to the keeping it secret part, who knows?
Billions of dollars can close alot of mouths. Especially if you were involved, and the first thing that would happen upon opening your mouth is that the gov't would pin the whole thing on you as being part of the terrorist group. If you didn't turn up dead first, that is.
Let's see, be a multi-multi-millionaire, be dead, or be imprisoned or executed as a terrorist? Tough choice.
No direct accusations here, but some interesting info that may raise some more questions.
I didn't know there was a
I didn't know there was a conspiracy on the OKC bombing too.
I know one of the OKC lead bomb investigators quite well for many years. They have never released how the OKC truck bomb worked because it is dangerous. It has everything to do with the formation of the barrels in the truck, and the detonation sequence...think EFP. Same concept.
Not that you'll believe me, and not that I'm at liberty to tell you, but there is not a doubt in my mind that the OKC bombing could have easily been accomplished with the explosives in the truck.
As far as the Controlled Demolition Inc. Did people retire soon after 911 and leave to an unnamed island with millions and millions of dollars? That might be interesting...
Its easy to explain why the would be involved in the clean up though...if they are THE PREMIER demolition company in the country, wouldn't they be the best to handle the massive amount of unstable wreckage?
I agree with the money and being dead incentive to keep quiet...but what about the guys they asked who said no? Was there a rash of random deaths of demo experts? Lots of heart attacks for the maintenance men?
Here's a link to
the report about the technical side of the OKC bombing, written and submitted to the Congressional committee by munitions expert General Benton K. Partin USAF(Retired).
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm
Basic analysis: Speed of explosive chemistry insufficient to cut the support columns in the manner exhibited by the evidence, from the distance involved.
Take the opportunity to read it.
This is a career military bomb designer for the USAF saying it's not possible for it to have happened as stated by the gov't story. It ain't some freak screaming thru a megaphone on a street corner.
Yeppers
"I didn't know there was a conspiracy on the OKC bombing too"
Read this article to get the basics.....if your interested.
http://www.apfn.org/OKC/truth.htm