Nystrom makes it onto LewRockwell.com
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Mon, 09/08/2008 - 00:17
My first article published there: A Ron Paul Republican No More!
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there have been plenty of
there have been plenty of times I wanted to flame your posts. but I have to say that I agree with you.
one of these two main parties has to be remade.
my conclusions are similar to RPs. we might as well re-take the Republican party.
it's gonna take time and patience.
you have to educate people one at a time.
Republican Party Owned by Neocons
At first, I thought John McCain would try to warm up to true conservative Republicans who believe in small government, the rule of law and fiscal responsibility. It never happened.
The neocons have taken total control over the Republican party and many members seem content. We cannot win with them because they are the problem - at least for the last eight years.
I attended the Rally for the Republic in Minnesota and was disappointed to see the banners and shirts that said "GOP - Back to the Roots." I will never rally under their or any Democratic party banners. Together, these parties have sold-out our nation.
I am cautiously optimistic that Ron Paul will emerge as the unified third party candidate. There is room for all of us under the umbrella of the Constitution!
END the FED before it ENDS US
Why give in to the neocons?
If the neocons were able to take over the Republican Party, I see no reason that we can't take over the Republican Party. If they did it, why can't we do the same thing? They're smarter than us? They're more determined than us?
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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - Ron Paul http://www.youtube.com/watc
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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...
Why not beat the neocons?
This news just in...John McCain, devout neocon and warmonger in general is the republican candidate for president.
I won't vote for him and am moving on...hopefully Ron Paul will move on too! And run for president under another party - he will beat McCain like a rented mule.
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DP's Rhino Mentioned on LRC Blog
Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney To Attend Historic Ron Paul Press Conference
Posted by Lew Rockwell at September 9, 2008 10:56 AM
Writes "rhino" on the Daily Paul: Ralph Nader "was here in Cincinnati and I went down to see him speak hoping that he would take questions afterwards and he did. I asked him if he was aware of a third-party unification ticket to be announced this Wednesday [10:30am at the National Press Club in DC]. He said he was unaware of a 'third-party unification ticket', but said that he would be at the press conference along with Cynthia McKinney and Bob Barr [and Chuck Baldwin] and that there would be an 'unprecedented announcement.'"
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022753.html
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Congrats! We'll be able to
Congrats!
We'll be able to say "We knew you when..." ;)
congratulations to you!
that's way cool.....as opposed to way harsh.
.....as my sister always says.
when i get around to being able to drink wine after this weekend's kidney detox......and then the following liver detox.......my wife and i will be drinking to you!
You cannot effect change.
Michael Writes:
" What can I do as a Republican that I cannot do as free man?"
You cannot effect change. You cannot come to power since the Republicans are in power. If we want to come to power we have to go where the power is.
What you and others don't seem to understand is that without the free voters as someone put it who mindlessly vote party line regardless of who the leadership is we do not have the numbers to effect change. Leaving the republican party effectively does nothing for our cause and renders us benign.
It would be nice if the masses left the party and it died unfortunately in this media climate that is not going to happen anytime soon short of some cataclysmic disaster. The reality is if we are serious about change we are going to have to do some things that are unpleasant instead of just seeking that which always makes us feel better.
I have been in this fight for 20+ years and have seen it time and time again I thought this time we had a chance however I am having my doubts as people in this movement fracture and make excuses for going off in many different directions rather then focusing our efforts on what has a chance of being successful and has results in local parties when nothing else has.
I said when I got involved in this campaign if all the new people to the cause start bailing out I will leave and never get involved again because it is simply a waste of time and effort if not enough people will do the heavy lifting. I am almost there now.
Many people who are complaining never got involved, ran for PCP, became delegates etc. (not you Michael) they just wanted to wave signs and donate a few dollars and hope that fixed things. If they had gotten involved we would be a lot farther along. And even perhaps the national convention would have gone differently. It's not all the RNC's fault we got our asses handed to us. It's our fault and the fault of all those who did not step up when they knew they should!
I would love to ditch the Republicans however I see nowhere else to go to effect the change we desire. Do you? We have all this lofty talk about 3rd party or new party etc. But the reality is we still do not have the numbers and no real focus on making it happen. If not enough people stepped up to do the hard work within the Republican party what makes you think they will suddenly step up to do the even harder work of making a 3rd or new party viable?
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Good for you- follow your convictions !
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Congratulations Michael! You will feel much better.
Congratulations Michael. You will feel much better about yourself. I departed the Republican Party and I am glad that I did. If I had stayed I would have been continually demoralized and subservient. As a member of the Libertarian Party, although I feel challenged by the larger D & R Parties, I feel free and focused. I find it a much clearer and satisfying path to fight for liberty.
So you refuse to vote for Ron Paul Republicans
in Congressional and local elections too?
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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - Ron Paul http://www.youtube.com/watc
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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...
Use your brain Barr. Of
Use your brain Barr. Of COURSE he will vote for RP republicans! He's just not going to do the "R" dance anymore.
But you need to be registered as a Republican
to do that, don't you?
And what do you mean "of course" he will vote for Ron Paul Republicans. It looks to me like he's abandoning the Republican Party totally.
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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - Ron Paul http://www.youtube.com/watc
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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...
Leverage
California still has a law on the books that says they will hold a primary and the results will determine who the delegates are. It's easy to see why this would happen if you thought you were in the majority, you'd want majority rule.
This law was determined to be unconstitutional and can't be enforced. The Libertarian Party sued and won on the basis of freedom of association. The LP is a party with its own rules for membership and only the membership can determine who they wish to run for office. Just because you are registered to vote for the LP candidates, does not mean you are a member.
Our primary candidates are on the ballot, but it's not binding. It all rests on the delegates.
I believe in California the dominant parties have rules which basically allocate delegates based on the statewide balloting which taxpayers pay for (essentially, they got the state to pay for a private poll via the ballot box). I think the Democrats will let anyone vote for their candidates in the primary, but the GOP requires one to be registered R (this is a self-defense measure to avoid a takeover by D's voting for a weak GOP nominee).
(You might check your state and see if there are any similar court cases that would allow your state GOP or Democrat party to choose to unbind delegates from what the voting public chose, or you could take it to court.)
The point of all this is, every state is different. And even what the law says may not really be the case. Michael has to look at his own situation.
There is a need for alternative choices to exist for voters and sometimes the alternate parties are the only ones really providing them. If voters have no choice, then the dominant parties have nothing to fear, because nothing much will change.
Michael is playing his part by showing what happens when the GOP does all the wrong things. His departure will make it easier for those who stay to work from within, because they won't want to lose more people, and because those staying behind will seem like reasonable people compared to that DailyPaul troublemaker. ;) All of us need to stand ready to vote for the best candidates regardless of party afiliation if we wish to effect change.
The LP provides choices for voters who wish to do the same thing: selectively punish a particular party without rewarding a lesser evil. It is also a place for people who get so disgusted with the dominant parties that they would otherwise have to drop out of the process.
I know how Michael feels since my city broke laws and used all its might and power to steamroller a tax reduction measure I proposed. They were supposed to be fair. They were supposed to support democracy. They cheated and called me names. I don't blame him for not wanting to work inside such an organization, especially since it appears really easy in his state to work from without.
If the GOP in your state is welcoming to Ron Paul's ideas or susceptible to change, then working there makes more sense.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
It would be better if you
It would be better if you knew what you were talking about before you opened your mouth, don't you think?
"Don't you?" You don't know do you? And yet you did not hesitate to accuse me of something you know nothing about. Shoot first, ask questions later. It should be the motto of the GOP. It is because of people like you, and arrogant, know-it-all behavior that you just displayed that I left the Republican party.
Am I abandoning the Republican party? Yes, I am. There is nothing there of use for me. Since joining, I never got a single welcome letter, only outstretched hands, begging for money. What can I do as a Republican that I cannot do as a free man?
And for your information, I can vote for whoever I want as an unenrolled voter in MA.
What am I accusing you of?
I'm asking you a question. If I was an "arrogant know-it-all" I wouldn't be asking questions. I asked "don't you," because I didn't know. Why do you have such an attitude?
I still don't understand what your position is. Will or or will you not vote for Ron Paul Republicans?
If you're going to vote for Ron Paul Republicans, then I don't understand the point of your message because being a "member" of the Republican Party is just a name in a computer bank. You're still supporting the Republican Party if you vote for Ron Paul Republicans. If you're not going to vote for Ron Paul Republicans then not only have you abandoned the Republican Party but it would seem you've abandoned the Campaign for Liberty as well. Which is it?
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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - Ron Paul http://www.youtube.com/watc
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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...
No
Anyone can vote for anyone in a general election. Otherwise, if you had to be registered a certain party, they wouldn't even hold elections: they would just look at the voter registration rolls, see which party had more registered voters, and declare a winner.
MOST people are "independent", meaning not affiliated with a party. And yet most of these independent people vote either D or R.
RP2012!
But they can't vote in the primary
If everyone bails out of the GOP, then we will never get a liberty-minded candidate TO the general election. Don't you get it????
primaries
Different rules in different states. Many states have closed primaries where you only vote for your preferred candidate in your party. Many states also have open primaries.
Yes, different rules, different circumstances
In California, I changed my voter registration to R in order to vote for Ron Paul in the GOP primary. Of course it did no good (although the precincts I walked did 1% better than Los Angeles County and LA County did 1% better than statewide for Ron Paul), because D's rule my area, and it's all pointless, anyway: it is the delegates who ultimately decide. (Since I was a delegate to the LP of CA convention, I could do all the above and still vote for delegates to the LP national convention; which, by the way, we did without needing to know who they supported.)
No way I could join the GOP and become active in the party: I was named Activist of the Year for the Libertarian Party of Los Angeles County not too far back-- besides, I would feel about it exactly the way Ron Paul does when asked to endorse McCain: as if I was giving up everything I believe.
This is one of those things that must be done state by state and person by person based on their skills, motivation and opportunities.
We must stay in contact here at DailyPaul and C4L so that we can work together on the issues we care about.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
As an unenrolled voter in MA
Yes, I can vote for candidates of either party. What can I do as a Republican that I cannot do as free man?
If everyone bailed on the GOP, the Republican party would disappear. If everyone left the Democrat party, it too would disappear.
I know many people who are staying in the party simply because they think it is the only game in town. And therefore they support what they abhor.
Ventura won on a 3rd party ticket in Minnesota. It is possible to live by your principles and change the world.
great job!!!
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Good job, "Dr." Nystrom. ;)
Good job, "Dr." Nystrom. ;)
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I just read your
I just read your article.
Checked in at LRC in between screen refreshes at DP.
Geez, I think I need to get out more often...
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Nice michael I am proud of you
/Mike
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
Why proud?
He quit.
He quit on C4L.
He quit on Ron Paul's goal of retaking the Republican Party.
He quit on Ron Paul.
Nothing to celebrate.
What did you all think? That we'd turn around what's been going on in our country for over 50 years, in a year and a half? Get real. Grow up.
All Michael did was do exactly what the neocons wanted.
ummm...
I'm thinking if Manystom quit...then YOU would NOT have this here RON PAUL page to blast him on....because it's his page....
"Restore the Republic" does NOT mean "restore the Republican Party"....there is a difference!
Our entire government is the "Republic"....made to have GOVERNMENT SERVANTS that represented the people of their INDIVIDUAL state....the parties were just ways to divide up beliefs and goals.
This also means that NO MATTER which party you belong to...you can also believe in and support the C4L..so long as you believe in LIBERTY. Dr. Paul would like for the Republican Party to go back to it's original platform...but even he befriends and accepts liberty loving folks from other parties....for crying out loud....he left it once himself in 88...remember???????
He can't leave it now because he's a Republican Congressman....but he has warned the party about folks they would lose if they continued on the path they chose....
Get your facts straight before you slam someone who provides the very site you do it on...ok!
"Believing" doesn't get the job done...
I have my fact straight; it's you who does not.
Ron Paul's plan is to retake the GOP. Since Michael has bailed, he cannot assist in that effort.
If we do not retake one of the major parties, we have no chance at all in this movement. Third parties do not get into debates and do not get major media coverage. Thus, Ron Paul's plan to retake the Republican Party.
Get it now?
Who said this? -
"There should not be hostility toward those who seek opportunities in any party. The goal is to spread the message in every way possible. As a matter of fact, if the ideas didn’t invade all political factions, it would not be a true revolution."
Oh I remember now, it was Ron Paul
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