Some Ideas and Suggestions on the "9/11 Wars"
In reading this forum over the past few days it is becoming clear that we have a major issue in which Liberty supporters disagree. Not only is there disagreement over the "truth" about 9/11, but also a disagreement about whether this discussion should even appear on this site. For some reason it seems that almost ANY other issue can be brought up and people do not feel the need to get into a cat fight over it. But we haven't found a way to get along when it comes to 9/11.
So I am offering this post in the hopes that we can finally come to some arrangement that allows this site to continue offering the IMMENSE amount of wonderful information it offers, and keep from having a full day of "bickering" and "name calling" going on that leads to NO PRODUCTIVE PURPOSE.
If we break it down into the major issues it would seem to involve the following. (For simplicity sake I will classify the rift as between "Truthers" and "Others", not out of any disrespect to either side, but simply for convenience in discussion.)
OK ... FIRST of all "Truthers" like to share information about what they feel is a critically important issue. Not only information on the event itself, but also information about the disemination of "Truth" in the world. "Others" are not interested in this information and reject it's credibility. My suggestion here is that only those INTERESTED in the information should respond to these posts. Those that are NOT interested in "9/11 Truth" should simply NOT KEEP POSTING AND BUMPING a forum topic that they have no interest in. What happens is that those NOT interested continue to respond to these posts, and then get angry that the post has not fallen off the page. Well, clearly, if you want it to drop off the page you have to STOP RESPONDING!
Secondly, the "Others" seem to get upset when "Truthers" don't produce "PROOF" of their theories, but when, in an effort to provide links, etc. the "Truthers" continue the thread, the "Others" get upset that the thread is still here. Here, I would suggest two things. FIRST of all there are many, many websites devoted to this issue to which anyone TRULY INTERESTED may go. A polite inquiry for some of these websites would, I am sure get an abundant response. If someone REALLY wants "proof" they are free to go through the (literally) DAYS and DAYS of information available on this topic. This is NOT just a "soundbite" issue and there is quite frankly just too much to look at to possibly quantify in a post. SECONDLY, "Truthers" MUST start to realize that they CANNOT FORCE THIS on anyone. No matter how loudly you scream, and wave your arms, and jump up and down in front of people they are NOT going to turn into believers through FORCE and SCREAMING LOUDER. As a matter of fact, I (and I am a "Truther") happen to find the "confrontational megaphone" approach very annoying. This issue is so frightening and life-changing that many of us prefer to investigate in the QUIET of our environment and take it in slowly. SO it is unfair for an "Other" to "demand proof" on this site, when it is QUITE easy to find out information on their own. This information is VOLUMINOUS and could not possibly be included in a post. AND, the "Truthers" have to back off a bit from trying to shove this down people's throats. Let's just SHARE INFO when we have it and STOP RESPONDING to "nasty" comments with MORE "nasty" comments. If you REALLY want this info to become more accepted..... name calling and screaming are not going to be productive.
The third most common objection of the "Others" is that somehow it is because of the 911Truth movement that Ron Paul did not get nominated or elected. To this I would say that there are SO MANY reasons that Ron Paul.... in 2008.... could NEVER have been elected that they are too numerous to mention. The level of corruption, evil and manipulation that this Country is experiencing, as demonstrated in the MSM and at the State and National Conventions is so great that it was a virtual impossibility that he was going to win. HE is the one who AWAKENED so many to this evil and that makes what happened in this last year and a half a MIRACLE in itself. But you do not overcome 100 years of growing corruption in one election cycle. So, NO it wasn't 9/11 Truth, and it wasn't the campaign staff, and it wasn't the Blimp staff, and it wasn't JUST the creeps at the Conventions or any one thing. Ron Paul could have had a campaign staff right out of Hollywood or Washington DC itself, and the EVIL POWERS that RUN this country were going to find a way to sabotage his campaign. It was the EFFORT of the Campaign that was NECESSARY and FRUITFUL and actually started a TURNING in the social mood. So we WON! Discussing 911 on this forum was NOT the thing that prevented Dr. Paul from winning the Presidency, and certainly now that he is NOT running for President, sharing information on this topic, or Chemtrails, or the NAU, or the NWO, or the Patriot Act, etc. is all fruitful in expanding people's understanding of the true evil we are facing.
Finally, these rants always end up with "Others" pleading with Michael to stop this topic from appearing "here on the Daily Paul". My suggestion here is that if Michael had a problem with 911 information appearing here he would have stopped it LONG AGO. It is HIS site and he runs it as he sees fit. You will notice, for example, that the Campaign for Liberty site, or the OFFICIAL Ron Paul Site (when it was active) did NOT get into this info or any of the OTHER info we often discuss here. And that is THEIR right. But here, I don't think waiting for Michael to "become aware" of some problem on his site and "DO something about it" is realistic. SO... 911 IS going to continue appearing as a forum topic. The ONLY decision we can make is whether or not we are going to learn how to DEAL with that.
If you don't like a topic DONT KEEP BUMPING IT. And if someone does not want information DONT CALL THEM NAMES or continue SCREAMING at them. The info is out there. It is going to continue to be out there, whether people like it or not. And people will investigate it WHEN and IF they want to. Sharing new info is GREAT and those that are interested want this info. But lets try to respect each other and find ways to DEAL with this.
Hopefully this long post proves helpful and doesn't just degenerate into another hysterical two day rant. I LOVE THIS SITE, and have been SO INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED at the amazing grit and determination and attitude of the Ron Paul and Liberty "team". If this movement is to continue we MUST keep the "Love" in the Revolution, and TRULY be committed to the FREEDOM that each person has to believe and act as they wish.
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Agreed...
Good one elviejo
Bump!
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Why The Controversy?
Why should the 9/11 issue be considered divisive? Anyone who doesn't understand that steel-constructed buildings can't disappear from airplane strikes, jet fuel fires and ordinary fires (WTC 7) hasn't bothered to educate themselves on the issue.
And proof of explosives and an inside job can be seen in the 9/11 Eyewitness video by Richard Siegel. He captured the North and South Tower "collapses," and when the North Tower comes down multiple white flashes can clearly be seen by anyone.
I don't understand why people so vehemently will not accept any of the abundant evidence that 9/11 was in fact an inside job. Maybe they think that country equals government, and feel that accusing high government officials of treason is the same as hating your country. It's complete rubbish, but I believe that is why the masses cling to the Arab-hijackers-did-it story, even thought it's completely impossible for a whole host of reasons.
I think...
I think that it is just TOO MUCH. I can tell you that up until 1 year ago when I got involved with this Ron Paul movement I knew NOTHING about the evil that is now running the world. I spent from December through about May in DEEP depression as I learned more and more each day about the globalists and the Fed and all of the evil ones. I came upon the "Truther" movement via (of all people) Glenn Beck, as he was making FUN of the movement and I didn't know what he was talking about. So I did a "search" and after two hours I was convinced. BUT, it is a very difficult process finding out that nothing in the world is as you have thought it was for your whole life. MOST of the subjects that are covered here are more "etherial" and not really part of every day life (monetary theory, global plans, etc). But 911 was a part of EVERYONE's actual EXPERIENCE and so it is just TOO MUCH to cross THAT line as well. One can only take so many "shocks" to the system at a time or one goes "over the edge". So no matter how much we learn about the grand master schemes and how much we see, there is a line that we cannot cross..... until the day that we can. We just need to be patient and CALMLY persistent over the next few years and I believe that it will become more palatable.... especially to those that know all the OTHER stuff... and then they will be ABLE to research and see the answers. That is exactly why I think the "screaming megaphone" approach is COUNTER productive. Just my theory.
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" Not armies, not nations, have advanced the race; but here and there, in the course of ages, an individual has stood up and cast his shadow over the world.".
Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs
My first thought when i startedto delve in
Was that it really sucks to realize that almost everything you have ever been told was a lie.Then I shut off my TV and started reading more.
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !
yeah
I don't have a TV nowadays - I couldn't even imagined that 2 years ago.
truth liberate
many good things have happened though
I became better at running my business my guitar playing has advanced light years over what it probably would have become http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR-skWT6KD0 and I came to realize that my then girlfriend was just a sack chasing leach :)
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !
Lol!
Well I'm happy for you:)
truth liberate
Agree
The change starts within yourself.
Let me tell you - in the year of '07 I was in the army (Bordersoldier at the norwegian-russian border). In the springtime I had much spare time so I was just surfing more or less randomly on the internet. I litterally tripped over this video of David Ray Griffin at his lecture in Denmark from '06 and from that day, my world turned around (and still does) revealing a monsterous truth, slowly, like a dimmer light turning up (or down, however one percieves it).
At first I kind of panicked - I quickly started seing things in perspective together with global economic meltdown and emerging global authority, with ideas and agendas so awful it litterally made me wanna throw up. But trying to wake people up in that kind of mode (and I can imagine everyone has gone through this face at one time or another) was not going anywere at all. I read somewhere that it's like trying to wake someone sleeping with a flashlight; you'll get one of two responses: They will either turn their back towards you or they will attack you.
One gets concerned with the future and with the future of your friends and family. A feeling of obligation to raise awareness starts to emerge.
After some time you will get more comfortable with this new information, you'll learn that people have to want to wake up themselves. And then comes the ultimate realization that the best and only true way of helping anyone, is to help yourself, be brutally honest with yourself and then just be yourself. So simple and so powerful. Then, you will be in position to help by offering your view, your support and make available information to those who find you and your perspective of any interrest.
Then they go through a more or less similar process. (That's exciting to witness! I have a very close friend going through it right now and it's great of being able to be of help and support, something I longed for in my own process)
It's called awakening, and it's damn well exciting!!!:)
truth liberate
and btw
My interrest in the Ron Paul Movement came as a result of seeing it as a part of the solution. There is nothing like it in my country. My intention is that the message of liberty, after bursting through your country, will burst out through the rest of the world.
Two of my favourite quotes of this day:
"Human sickness is so severe that few can bare to look at it... but those who do will become well"
-Vernon Howard
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace"
-Someone
truth liberate
Excellent!!!
I'd like to see this post on the front page! This is something everyone should read. It's a relief to see this understanding summed up so well.
Thank you elviejo. This is a chance to end this painful dispute once and for all for everyone who gives it a shot.
Bump this people, if it ressonates with you.
truth liberate
Thank YOU
I just hope it does some good.
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" Not armies, not nations, have advanced the race; but here and there, in the course of ages, an individual has stood up and cast his shadow over the world.".
Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs
This one is here to stay.
Bump #1
truth liberate
#2
I can't wait for the big announcement tomorrow! I'm very excited!:)
truth liberate
and #3
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truth liberate
micheal shoen needs to now bribe engineers to believe the lie
http://freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=037970
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !
Truther's eventually need to put up or shut up
We need to start bringing suits in states whose residents died on 9/11.
We need to use the legal system to get things rolling so that when Dick and George are out of office we can bring justice to THEM.
No statute of limitations on murder.
We'll do it when the time comes.
That will vault the 'conspiracy' into mainstream thinking to it's ultimate and wide acceptance.
"Committed To The Eradication Of Poverty Among Patriots"
"Those Who Strive For Excellence Refuse To Fear Mediocrity; They Eradicate It."
"GINO" = Government In Name Only
Agreed
I think it is going to take time for all of the "hot buttons" to cool off, but I think eventually those responsible will be found out, and even if they are six feet under, the truth will be told and will become "common knowledge".
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"Not armies, not nations, have advanced the race; but here and there, in the course of ages, an individual has stood up and cast his shadow over the world.".
Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs
Two things ....
1. The reason why the truthers feel at home here is because Mr. Nystrom is himself a "truther", and with some evidence to back this up I have assumed he is an "inside job" truther.
2. I am a truther to some extent. Not an "inside job" truther, but a "the truth is we do not know the truth" truther. I do not mind this topic. It is starting to show the visitors the complexity of the issue and the irrational thought on both sides of the issue. I think it is starting to make people think.
I will continue to add my 2 cents to keep the discussion balanced.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Truth is
If you cannot agree on the laws of inertia and how they show that the buildings couldn't be brought down without demolition then you have no argument.
Balance would be agreeing that the laws of Physics are not able to be broken, especially three times in one day.
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Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
I'm not exactly an "inside
I'm not exactly an "inside job" truther as such, because I don't know all the facts. However, Uncle Sam looks guilty, in much the same way that OJ Simpson looked guilty.
However, we don't have the facts, because they were covered up and the evidence was destroyed. It isn't really worth squabbling over this issue as much as we do.
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