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What do you think about these hurricanes and mandatory evacuations?

The government was negligent in Katrina and caused major problems. Now they swing the other way and go overboard and evacuate too soon. They have called mandatory evacuations along the Texas border - the entire border. They don't even know where the storm is going but it is suppose to go west after scaring everyone by going north for a distance.

Just seems to me that there was too much confusion in Katrina and too much mandatory now. Agree or not?



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haarp and the nwo

TX: 3 Million w/o Power

According to this article, reported today around 10:30am PDT:
Ike Swamps Texas, Leaving Widespread Flooding, 3 Million With No Power

I Think It's

all blown out of preportion by the MSM machine.It's the Chicken Little thing "the sky is falling,the sky is falling". People who live on the coast have to deal with hurricanes every summer.At the same time they are telling these people to leave or it's certain death,all the news people are all over the streets doing reports.If it's okay for them it should be okay for the residents.On Friday at my job they were preparing for the Apocalypse,this is utter nonsense fueled by mass media,it's sensationalism.If you live on the coast you know what to do incase of a hurricane,you shouldn't have to listen to a fear mongering media hype.

Mandatory Evac Orders

"At first light, it was unclear how many may have perished, and authorities mobilized for a huge search-and-rescue operation to reach the more than 100,000 people who ignored warnings that any attempt to ride the storm out could bring "certain death."

"The unfortunate truth is we're going to have to go in ... and put our people in the tough situation to save people who did not choose wisely. We'll probably do the largest search-and-rescue operation that's ever been conducted in the state of Texas," said Andrew Barlow, spokesman for Gov. Rick Perry."

Those that ignored evac order should be on their own, period! Putting emergency workers at risk to save your dumb!@#&. Tax payer $$$$ to save your dumb@#$^&*!!
They can't force you to leave BUT shouldn't be expected to save you after YOU made your decision to stay!
I guess all the beer and pop-tarts you bought to ride out the storm wasn't a well thought out plan!

A reminder: LibertyAid.org

LibertyAid.org is up and running and ready to help guide donations toward hurricane relief for those who feel led to contribute.

We are finally leaving

our home in Lake Jackson, Tx. as soon as hubby gets everything done and we're packed and ready to go to my son's in San Marcos, Tx. We are afraid of the flooding that may possibly come our way since we're only about 15 minutes from the Gulf of Mexico. We're afraid that we may be without electricity so off we go. Just about everybody has left and I do know that Dr. Paul and Carol Paul aren't in town and they are safe. I'm pretty sure that it won't be too bad but hubby wants to leave. We all have house and flood insurance so at least we know that we can take care of ourselves. Just keep the Texas coast in your prayers. Thanks.

dodobogo

Stay Safe

Glad you are thinking ahead with the evacuation, insurance, etc.

Also glad to hear that Carol Paul will be OK (I knew she would be but it's nice to know for sure).

Check in with us again as soon as you can.

Thinking of you, your family and all the Paulers in this difficult situation.

I think the problem with all of this

JM
is: What right does the Gov. have to tell U.S. citizens to do anything?
The Governor of the state should do what is needed in storm areas.

JM

I believe it's called...

CYAIAEY, better known as cover your a$$ it's an election year. ; )

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Another term for preventive war is aggressive war- starting wars because someday somebody might do something to us. That is not part of the American tradition.
-Ron Paul

no such thing as a MANDATORY evacuation

nobody can (legally) compel you to leave your property. all the "mandatory" evacuation means is that the gov't is telling you they will not send help if you stay put and the sh!t hits the fan.

manditory

inplies the "state" is responsible FOR you instead of TO YOU. This ideology that the Govt was neglegent, is an open invitation for them to make anything they so chose "manditory". It is against the principles that one has individual rights to chose what is best for himself. This is saying that they call the shots in your life in ALL venues, which include believing that the state has a "vested interest in your child", and you'd better raise it the way they see fit.

The ol'

"It takes a village to raise a child." I hate that phrase.

the evidence CLEARLY suggests that the village

will raise an idiot, and no child will be able to get a better education than the one the idiot can grasp.
I know it is off topic, but I could not resist.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

I live in Florida

and I evacuate when I think I should. Properly secured homes that aren't in flood zones are perfectly safe in all except the most powerful hurricanes. I don't evacuate for tropical storms, or even category 1 and 2 hurricanes. But when a storm gets into the high 3, 4, and 5 range -- anyone with common sense 'gets out of Dodge'.

Don't be too sure..I lived

Don't be too sure..I lived in FL for 40 years, and never evacuated, even in a 4. Unless you live by the water, or in a trailer, it is always better to stay in your house so you can keep water out if it somehow floods. As long as you have the bathtub full of water, a coleman stove, candles, lanterns and food, there is little reason to evacuate.

Coconut.

Coconut -> Head = Bad.

Anyhow, seriously, evacuation is a better option if you can swing it financially. I would personally evacuate in a 4 or 5, but that's for convenience's sake. I hate the heat and humidity. I'd rather be inland (Orlando+) with some nice air conditioning and let all the chaos, power outages, and Spaghetti-O's stay down South. It's comfort, not life and limb, that would drive me.

There are some people who do live in areas with trees they can't do anything about, or that are prone to wind damage in excess of the norm. There are also the elderly, or people with other special needs, who might not survive being without power and conveniences for that long. Just personal choice :)

"Disaster Area" = "State of Emergency"?

I'm not sure if the two are synonymous, but Sir Incompetent declared 88 Counties a Disaster Area yesterday:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=weather/hurricane&...

At the very least, natural disasters reveal how insufficient and corrupt government action can be. Three cheers for citizen benevolence!

Get Adjusted: From the Womb to the Tomb!

mandatory?

the whole idea of 'mandatory' evacuations is just shady. I can understand the want to make sure people are out of harms way and that by evacuating all people there is less chance of looting and thus less want by residents to remain to protect their property. I just dont believe government has the authority to make an evacuation mandatory. That decision should be left to the residents themselves, with the understanding that they may be on their own.
Seems like more of the 'save us from ourselves, were stupid' mentality. and it gives law enforcement and government the chance to practice maneuvers and tactics on home soil that could be used for other, not so benign reasons.
Its not as bad with the state being the one doing all this, but the state machinery could very well be co-opted by the fed in the future.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants

Creating an itch

First off I think the Federal Gov. needs to stay out of it. The more locally things are controlled the more efficient they are. That being said, people are conditioned to blame the Fed Gov. for their problems. Hurricane Katrina's slow response was purposely set up to create an itch so that in the future people would be begging for the Fed. Gov. to do more (scratch it). This is similar to the way anarchist are purposely used in countries to create chaos so that any dictatorial Gov. can come in and take over. At that point the people don't care because the fueled anarchy was so bad.

All the folks in Houston may

All the folks in Houston may evacuate themselves to New Orleans, so they can repay the kindness of the evacuees that came to Houston, to help beatify it and did all those public works projects to help out during katrina.

Thank you Dr. Paul for making my act on what I already knew was right.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

Tyranny/Occupation Practice

They are just practicing for the real show.

Martial Law

You've got it JohnKing, practicing for martial law.

Depends... If the

Depends... If the government,aka taxpayer, is going to have to pick up the tab for illness, injury and death in these storms then they should be able to prevent as much of it as possible. My true belief is that people should be urged to leave but not forced, and if injured, sick or trapped it is their responsibility to take care of themselves.

If that sounds harsh, things actually worked better when these things were managed by volunteers and charities. People helped themselves and each other, they weren't just bureaucrats out to spend tax dollars. They really cared.

Pat

BOHICA!!

Let me muddy the waters...

...with some factoids.

To the person who believes Gustav was not "as big a monster as Katrina" because it was "only" a category 3 at the time s/he made this notation: Katrina came ashore as a Category 3 storm. The damage that came from it did not come from its winds, but from the rain/surge combination straining an already ridiculous system designed to keep swampland dry.

People in Louisiana were asked to leave, and many stayed around saying they couldn't afford to go anywhere, or didn't want to, or perhaps some of them wanted to loot (that happens everywhere hurricanes are causing an exodus; those who stay sometimes get the "good fortune" of the storm turning, still leaving streets deserted, police evacuated/reduced, and residents gone from their home). By the time they were clammoring for Government assistance, it was too late to really do anything coherent.

Evacuations of places like the Keys, Outer Banks, etc., are called for so early because it takes a REALLY LONG TIME to drive from the very tip of the Keys to anyplace even remotely safe. In other words, by the time you are 100% sure the storm is going to cross the Keys, it's far too late to drive across those bridges to mainland Florida. You cannot chance a wreck out there. You have to plan for it. If someone causes a pileup on the highway, and people are stuck out there unprotected, it's a huge problem.

Which brings us to the final, echoing point of all these posts: the Government shouldn't be involved! They should just "strongly suggest"! The term "mandatory evacuation" is much the same as "state of emergency" in that it sounds more dire than it is. One can declare a state of emergency while the sky's still blue and cloud-free. It's a technicality. No one has time or gives enough of a rat's behind to actually go house to house and try to pry you from your home, at least here in Florida. Mandatory evacuations allow the governing bodies to reverse traffic flow on major roads (so all lanes go away from the coast), and lately they also allow for most emergency workers to leave as well. The final announcements in the days leading up to a storm strike include things such as "on your own," because hospitals and emergency services are at minimum.

It also allows for hospitals and such to be evacuated, and for emergency plans to be set into motion. In some areas, this includes mass transit being re-purposed to help people without the money get the heck out of dodge. Med-evac helicopters may be used to get the elderly who can't move away from old folks' homes, etc..

Anyhow, I think the Government does way too much, still, but people need to stop their cheer of "from my cold dead hands!" long enough to realize why things are how they are. The biggest problem is the Gov likes to make words mean different things from what they actually do ;)

I disagree

I don't think they were negligent in Katrina aftermath, I think they were overly accomidating.

I think manadatory evacuations should be stopped...they should highly recommend for personal safety that you leave, and anyone who ignores that warning is tempting natural selection.

They should never have opened up the Superdome as the refugee house, because that was an implicit guarantee that people would be taken care of.

I think government needs to send a clear signal that you are responsible for you...get your ass out of the path of a hurricane, be ready or have insurance if your house is 20 feet below sea level, don't build a house in a flood plane, don't sit around and wait for someone to take care of you.

Follow the advice of Marx if you like (from each according to ability, to each according to need) you'll find that abilities degenerate and needs multiply.

Your first sentence

Is not comparing apples to apples. You are not disagreeing, you are pointing out that the government should never have gotten into the position in the first place that they would be the ones to save the day. Basically that is what everyone is saying and me too. After Katrina, the people who would not voluntarily leave, thought the government should rescue them because many of them even lived off the government anyway. That expectation should never have been established and instead of removing the expectation, the government has now used the fiasco and tragedy to step up their obligatons instead. They are totally becoming our parent.

I think it is

I think it is unconstitutional and unlawful. There has not been a "state of emergency" declared yet, and it can be recommended, but, by God, if I did not want to go then I would not, and they would have to arrest me, and I would NOT post bail nor ever pay them a DIME.

See

That is something I am not sure about. Mandatory evacuation apparently does not mean "mandatory" or you will be arrested (unless the enforcer wants to abuse his authority). The reason I say this is because someone who lived on a house boat during Gustav said, NO, they were not going and they were allowed to stay without being arrested.

I'm about 85 miles inland from Galveston. I live off US 290 and

I recall the "evacuation" that took place during Rita in 2005. US 290 was the one major highway kept open in both directions. The road system here simply cannot handle that kind of mass exodus. At one point, the traffic was backed up from the 610 loop all the way to Giddings, Texas with nobody really moving. The smaller communities along the highways do not have anything approaching the capacity to supply fuel and food to that many people in such a short period of time, especially with most of the inbound highways being blocked off to prevent resupply. Being stuck on the highway is the worst possible place to be if a hurricane, like Rita, were to actually blow through here. People ran out of gas, food, water....they were stuck along the side of the road, parked in truck stop parking lots who had no fuel and no food and were locked up and essentially abandoned. A number of folks in our little rural community tried to bring some of the families (out of gas, parked in truck stop lots) sandwiches and drink, but it was just a drop in the bucket. Being stuck in a car in September in south Texas with little kids is no picnic. Fortunately, Rita shifted and came in around the Port Arthur area, so the arrested evacuation didn't last more than a couple of days. Forced evacuation? I know that the government minions love to use that phrase. My own attitude is that any government official attempting to enter my home without a proper warrant, based upon probable cause and supported by oath or affirmation, will be treated as any other unlawful intruder.

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So

what are you doing for Ike?

Do you watch the skies? Did you notice chemtrails in NW Houston before all three of the recent Hurricanes??? Chemtrails yesterday connecting those big white clouds.