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RE: Bob Barr From DON RASMUSSEN, Events Coordinator, C4L

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/barr-embar...

FROM DON RASMUSSEN, EVENTS COORDINATOR, CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY:

“The following reflect my personal feelings and is not endorsed by Dr. Paul or Campaign for Liberty.

“I am deeply disappointed by Bob Barr’s decision not to participate in today’s press conference just as I have been disappointed with the Barr campaign throughout this election cycle.

“The idea that he was busy is absurd. I am sitting in the National Press Club right now waiting for his hastily called press conference to begin. This is the same building where Dr. Paul’s presser just ended. Barr committed to participate, but had his campaign manager call us minutes before it started to tell us that Bob thinks “it just isn’t worth it.” I look forward to hearing him explain how breaking a promise to Congressman Paul constitutes a wise campaign strategy.

“It is my great hope that the alternative parties will present the American people with quality candidates that offer a real option. Clearly the Libertarian Party has failed to do so. Bob Barr has repeatedly broken his promises to Dr. Paul, showed up uninvited at C4L events, and made statement contrary to Dr. Paul’s beliefs while still claiming the mantle of heir to the R3VOLution.

“Hopefully, the LP will find a way to reject this candidate without rejecting the idea of engagement in practical politics.”




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You folks need to grow up a

You folks need to grow up a little bit and realize that it's not a perfect world. Bob Barr has done nothing to deserve the kind of childish spitefulness that has become a routine on this forum. Maybe the name of this site should be changed to the "Daily Pout".

Then

go away. Vote for Barf if that is what you want.

Yeh, he`s the same dipshit drug warrior that he has always been.

HYDROMAN

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

Your arrogance knows no bounds!

This is the Daily Paul........go spew your crap at the Daily Barr......
As with this bailout, Paulson/etc messed up, they should pay the price....Barr messed up, he has to pay the price...
He lost alot of support with his nonsense and has no one to blame but himself!!

O.P.O.G.G. - Fighting the attempted devolution of the rEVOLution
Ron Paul 2012...and beyond
BAN ELECTRONIC VOTING!!

Well...even Paul didn't

Well...even Paul didn't endorse him..so...

WAAAH! BARR'S IRRELEVANT! WAAAHHHH!!!

I was hoping this whining from the Barrflies disappeared. Sorry, Barr's simply not a believer in liberty or the Constitution. Right platitudes, wrong ideas.

National sales tax? Uh, try the Daily Huckabee. Wait a second -- Mike, is that you?

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Libertarian Party R.I.P.

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How to behave on an iternet forum

Found this quite by accident on another site. It could be useful, especially for the one-line newbies. I found it useful myself, and am trying to incorporate its rules.

I don't say anything that does not have to be said, and stand by everything unless retracted. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xs8HWN6UyE

Please don't post any further criticism until you view the above short and delightful clip. One-liners need not reply.

Barr Website

I just attempted to get on Barr's website so I could let his campaign know my full displeasure with Barr's decision not to stand by Ron Paul. My guess is that several others are trying to do the same since his site is currently DOWN! I bet Barr wishes he could take a mulligan on yesterday! I wish I could take back my temporary support for him.
-MarineForLiberty

“There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.”
-Marine Major General Smedley Butler

“There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket."
- Marine Major General Smedley Butler

His site probably crashed

His site probably crashed due to bombardment from people e-mailing to complain.

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Support the Constitution of the United States

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Dear Edward Cohen,

YOU SIR, ARE A MORON!!!!

Don't get your panties in a twist

from: Edward Cohen
to: Libertarian Party < info@lp.org >
Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Re: To our supporters and volunteers
mailed-bygmail.com

Robert Kraus
Acting Executive Director

Dear Robert,

I agree with everything in your letter of Sept. 10 and more. I do not disagree with either your logic or account of events. Here's the thing.

In spite of all the shit-heads that allegedly worked and still work for Ron Paul, I am a little younger than Ron; do not look for me to run for president now or ever. I would do it, as Ron did, if some prick stroked me and pleaded endlessly to get me to run again. But, not of my own volition.

We are between a rock and a hard place, as always.

Even I, initially, felt as one of the LP nominees publicly stated immediately following Bob's nomination. Even though Ron and other conservatives spoke glowingly of Bob's public life in the past, I preferred at least 5 other nominees over Bob. I instinctively decided to bolt the LP ticket, unlike in the past, and throw my support to Cynthia McKinney.

Naturally, I feel foolish now, given my unflinching dedication to liberty and devolution. Nevertheless, Ron is still between a rock and a hard place regarding Chuck Baldwin, an outspoken supporter of Ron Paul, as we all have been.

The problem is not so much the division caused by Ron Paul's indifference to LP candidate Bob Barr, but, more so, the ridiculous fissure between CP and LP, which is hardly measurable by any conservative logic. Chuck Baldwin will not always be the charismatic leader of CP, and many in his party have told me, personally, that CP's albatross has been the exclusion of seculars.

I suppose that CP might lose a few people if they drop the abortion plank, but the net increase in cohesive conservative support would more than double in the event of merger with LP.

I have my own beef with Ralph Nader, for whom I consulted this year pro bono. If you think Ron Paul's people are scurvy, you ain't seen nothing yet. Ralph is an old fool who is at the mercy of ambitious punks who market Ralph's books and lectures, and cover their salaries and per diem with matching election funds. For a con, it is a thing of beauty. Ralph willingly sucks in the attention as Ron has done, despite the painfully obvious differences between them.

Point is, we suck it up every moment of our pitiful lives. Nobody benefits by electioneering on the terms of our opponents. This situation is by design, and not by happenstance.

The first order of the day is convergence of LP and CP in states where both have ballot placement.
Nothing can be done with Greens and Nader pukes, at least, for the moment. A merger of conservatives would be undeniably formidable, leaving the liberal pukes wondering what ever happened to progressive electioneering.

We all remember what happened when Harry Browne was the LP candidate. I see 2008 as more of the same, a surge, if you will. Fluctuation is anathema to real politics. It is akin to hero worship.

Don't think of it as building a revolution, as Ronulan newbies and NIMBY's so gleefully propose.
To me, it is just good politics. The Ronulans will soon lose interest, as most already have. I no longer have the time or inclination to court their brief attention, and neither do you. You and I are leaders, as are many if not most LP members. It is not our fault that others cannot think outside the box.

I propose that we continue identifying our fellow conservatives and give them a place to roost. I support Bob Barr because it is politically expedient. LP is (the) beacon of conservatism, and if it were easy, everyone would be doing it.

Once again, thank you for all you do. I remain,

Edward Cohen, edin08
Maine GOP write-in
2008 US Senate primary

www.dobsonforsenate.com

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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Libertarian Party < info@lp.org > wrote:

subject: To our supporters and volunteers
Sept. 10, 2008

Dear Libertarian Supporter,

( body of text deleted for expediency; most of you have already seen it )

In Liberty!

Robert Kraus
Acting Executive Director

Shit-heads?

"In spite of all the shit-heads that allegedly worked and still work for Ron Paul, I am a little younger than Ron; do not look for me to run for president now or ever. I would do it, as Ron did, if some prick stroked me and pleaded endlessly to get me to run again. But, not of my own volition."

What is it with these libertarians here today? They all have their panties in a twist. It seems to me that the libertarian party is killing itself right before our eyes.

And The LP Wonders Why Its Irrelevant

Yeesh.
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Uh, Ed Cohen is no Libertarian

LP has no candidates this year AFAIK. Mr. Cohen (no relation of CA Barrfly Bruce Cohen, either, AFAIK) is just a blowharded moron.

He laos has no clue about the differencees between the LP and CP, and why those differences will not produce a fusion anytime soon.

Treat his rant with less than a grain of salt. A molecule, maybe, but that's about it.

Maybe we are acting the way

Maybe we are acting the way we see this as another in a long history of people working with Paul screwing this up. From the poor handling of the newsletter silliness, to the outright failure that NH was, RP has had some very incompetent people working on his staff. To be certain, I have been one of the more quite people on this site and related ones, but I am certainly not a newcomer to politics - all of it under the LP banner (except for this year when I ran ran as a R delegate). I stayed quite as I've ALWAYS seen that type of criticism, but the problem was more severe in Paul's campaign as he COULD have made a dramatic impact in this years election. I think both sides are to blame for this latest blunder and it pisses me off. So yes, I can understand the shithead label.

LP: Crankypants Unite!

They are a cranky lot, eh?

RP2012!

Why are you here?

Do you want to create strife and controversy? This sight is for people who support the ideals put forward by Ron Paul to share their ideas, not for old political hacks to vent their delusions of grandeur. One would think age brings wisdom, but you and Barr disprove that theory.

Libertarians don't have a problem with supporting Ron Paul

the LNC offered RP the presidential nomination in January (Barr moved that, BTW), and while it's too late for that now, offered him the VP nomination yesterday (Barr wrote the invitation BTW).

Libertarians do have a problem with supporting statists like Cynthia McKinney. Paul is free to campaign on "Vote for Barr or McKinney, it really doesn't matter"; but don't expect the LP to adopt that as our campaign slogan this year. Because it does matter.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dance_(Ontario_politician)

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George Dance

Robbing Ron Paul
http://www.nolanchart.com/article9813-robbing-ron-paul.html

George

Paul does not recommend that his followers vote for McKinney or Nader, rather those that would vote for Obama and those that would normally not vote at all.
Besides Nader is quite good on civil liberties, war on drugs, non-interventionist foreign policy etc. etc.

Barr said in the heart of every American beats a libertarian and that libertarianism is a mainstream idea. Now do you want to deny Nader any understanding of liberty when he critisize the patriot Act etc., is good on civil liberties, against the war etc. etc? I frankly think they are more libertarian than McBama.

Certainly the LP presidential candidate matters

to libertarians: if you're a libertarian, who else is there to vote for for President? AFAICS, Ron Paul will be a candidate on 2 ballots (one without his consent) and Charles Jay on four -- both those are former LP members, so they've signed the non-aggression pledge -- but outside that who would there be to vote for?

I really can't see any reason why the Libertarian Party presidential candidate should matter to non-libertarians or non-Libertarians -- I can only note that it does seem to matter to a lot of them for some reason.

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Robbing Ron Paul
http://www.nolanchart.com/article9813-robbing-ron-paul.html

That last sentence does say it all

The LP candidate does matter because as the nomineee he is the face of the face of the LP, and as such when in an election season that exposure (what there is of it) is there, that's what people remember about the LP.

Barr forgot that fudnamental basic point, and that's why people don't support him--he has done very little to do the LP good.

To non-L/l people it *does* matter when they are unhappy with the two-headed hydra, and that is how you get support, votes, and members, DUH!

Take a Midol and go lay down for a while

cranky pants!

RP2012!

Good one bigdaddy!

We are going to have such smart Liberty Babies.

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Lisa C.

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Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

From the sound of you, it's been a long time since you've been

anywhere near panties, bunched or otherwise.

I also doubt you'll find any takers to "stroke" you.

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Lisa C.

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Come on Lisa you know Ed

Come on Lisa you know Ed posted this so he could read it out loud while he's stroking Barr in their seedy little motel

lol, thanks for the visual, krmaya

Candid photo of Bob Barr follows
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/gang5ta4lyfe/easter_fer...

Why vote for the lesser of two evils when you can go all in?
vote Satan/Paulson '08

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For the love of God, maya.

Why would you put those images in my brain?

akak posting his picture was bad enough!
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Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

Sorry it's just Popped up!!

Sorry it's just Popped up!!