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Did Paul just disperse our movement into oblivion?

I don't know if all the Barr-hate is organized or not, but it sure is convenient.

The Revolution was an unrelenting monster headed toward DC, but once the path got narrow enough, Paul threw up his hands and said "You shall not pass!" and cast our energies down into the oblivion of pinning our hopes on third parties? With absolutely no actions for Ron Paul's name to be put on any ballot?

So what if Barr wasn't there. Isn't there something more pressing? Why aren't there a dozen "WTF do we do now!" posts? Instead, we have a dozen "Grrr, Bob Barr is evil" posts. Thou protest to much about Barr, me thinks.

Is there ANY plan to put Ron Paul's name on any ballot? If RP is gunning for the LP ticket great (that would justify why Barr isn't there). If so, why bother ask us to support third parties...when we really need third parties to send all their support to Ron Paul?

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I love Ron Paul

yeah

I agree totally!

The movement Ron Paul started will be a footnote to history if liberty-minded people don't stop bickering and get behind somebody who has a chance of making an impact...Ron Paul should join Bob Barr on the Libertarian ticket!

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Dispersed Nothing

He gave us our marching orders! Here's my interpretation:

These are strictly advisory, of course, but since I’ve already done the research and analysis, I thought I’d save ya’ll a little effort. In order to carry out Dr Paul’s “marching orders” to maximum effect, and to preserve the possibility (sinking fast though it may be) of a Paul Presidency, I think these are our best bets:

If you live in Oklahoma, you have no choice. Write-in Ron Paul.

If you live in Montana or Louisiana, rejoice! You get to vote for Ron Paul!

If you live in New Hampshire, please vote for George Phillies (the other Libertarian).

If you live in Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Washington, or West Virginia, vote for Chuck Baldwin.

If you live in Arizona, California, The Dakotas, The District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Missouri, New Mexico, Rhode Island, Vermont, Wisconsin, or Wyoming, you have my condolences. You’ll need to vote for Cynthia McKinney.

If you live in Connecticut, Georgia, Indiana, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, or Texas, you have my deepest condolences. You’re stuck with Ralph Nader. Sorry.

If you can’t stomach my recommendations, then, if your State permits, I guess you should write in Ron Paul.

This decision is rather painful for me, as it will be the first Presidential election for me (since 1976) in which I will not be voting for the Libertarian. It looks as though the Barr Campaign has burned that bridge, and it likely won’t be rebuilt until at least 2012.

Naturally, depending on State laws and Party rules, State Libertarian, Constitution, or various independent Parties who substitute Ron Paul for their present candidate on State ballots should also win our allegiance.

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Well, thats a lot of good information,

But I believe we must do more!

We must ensure that the 3rd party candidates get debate access.

That was the entire purpose of the news conference.

The 3rd party candidates are now armed with 4 key issues which is what the American people really care about, not like the stupid lipstick issue in the MSM today.

We must fight to gain debate access, hold our own debates, invite McCain/Obama, and educate the people about the 4 key issues.

This is our mission.

It is not OVER!

We must never stop fighting.

Ron Paul has told us what to do, and so far he has always been right.

Why think about just dividing up 1.2 million Ron Paul voters,
when we should be thinking about reaching 50 million voters.

No, Of Course He Did Nothing of the Kind

However, it does look like Bob Barr may be trying to disperse our movement and destroy the Libertarian Party at the same time. But that is another issue.

As far as what Ron Paul did today, it is but an aside to the Campaign for Liberty.

Today's press conference was to point out the vapidity of the whole two party system as far as giving the people a means of determining the nation's destiny. His reference to Quigley about the two parties being essentially the same for a reason, made that abundantly clear.

Our movement on the other hand is about raising up a clear Liberty Option so that the people will actually have a choice. Ron Paul's first choice is to reform the Republican Party, and take it out of the hands of the internationalist one-party-with-two-faces current political duopoly.

Our movement will benefit with the weakening of the present system. It is in our interest for the People to get the two-party-lesser-of-two-evils fiction out of their heads. That is not our movement, however.

Our movement, the Campaign for Liberty, is long-term. Run for precinct chair, central committee, or whatever they call it in your state. Run for school board, county commissioner, of County Chairman of your local Republican Party. Let's take America back by taking the Republican Party back. That is Ron Paul's movement, and we owe it to him to make, not a ten month, but a ten year commitment to making it happen. Then the People will at last have a real choice.

We're taking back the

We're taking back the Republican Party?? Geee..I'd hoped for something we could do in only one lifetime.

You Have No Idea

You have no idea how doable it is. Have you even begun to try?

You won't accomplish that goal by waving signs on the streetcorner though.
You have to get involved, and work.

The people in control now were once radical leftist Democrats. They took over during a period of decades. You can do the same. Maybe the neocons love their cause more than you love America.

There is no easy, quick answer to taking back America.

We're not dispersed

As long as we all concentrate on these 4 issues:

1. A sensible foreign policy
2. Privacy
3. The National debt
4. The Federal Reserve

Getting this message and our message of freedom out to the masses is by far more important than all of us uniting behind one particular person. It's easy to just go to a voting machine and press "Barr", "Baldwin", "Nader", "Paul" etc...

We need to change the way America thinks first before we worry about getting a freedom minded individual into office.

It's a war of ideas and we've got the better ideas. We will win. I can feel it.

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Oh man

The presidential election as a vehicle for the Campaign for Liberty ended, as expected, in St. Paul. What did you THINK was going to happen at this point to change that? Dr. Paul had to make some kind of endorsement to have closure on this chapter. And I believe he did it in the best possible way. I personally would not vote for Barr, Baldwin, Nader or McKinnon with or without his endorsement. But instead of endorsing any of them, he made a negative endorsement for the two party system. Great! I agree!

But this did nothing to disperse the movement. The movement has moved beyond the presidential election. That is the purpose of the C4L. Remember when the Ron Paul '08 website changed to the C4L site? Get the hint? Understand? We moved on.

You need to get over the presidential election and move on. Dr. Paul did. As usual, he did the right thing, the principled thing, at the right time.

The movement lacks any kind

The movement lacks any kind of direction and you can pin the blame on Paul who never gave the movement any leadership. What good is a movement that can break away in 4 different directions[Nader,McKinleyBarr, and Baldwin } Two of these individuals are atractive to the right and the others attract the left.
A wise man said a house divided against itself shall not stand, the movement needed his leadership and he divided us to the winds. I am highly disappointed in Paul he should have endorsed Baldwin who was closer to his views then the others.
It is going to take a unified effort to do battle with the major parties.

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Acala that is a great way of looking at it.

i was a little perplexed and unsure how to feel about all of this. But you're reasoning makes a lot of sense.

"Dr. Paul had to make some kind of endorsement to have closure on this chapter. And I believe he did it in the best possible way. I personally would not vote for Barr, Baldwin, Nader or McKinnon with or without his endorsement. But instead of endorsing any of them, he made a negative endorsement for the two party system. Great! I agree!"

I agree too!

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I do not hate Barr or Baldwin or McKinney or Nader. I don't

hate Obama or McCain or even Bush. I do not like many of the things that some of them have done and policies and laws that they have proposed. I viewed the press conference as directed more toward removing the legal obstacles confronting 3rd parties and the built-in mechanisms employed by corporate media companies, as well as the law-making major party(s), that keep 3rd party candidates from gaining access to the communication media as well as access to the ballot. Those mechanisms act to supress other ideas and viewpoints that may well threaten either or both of the Demopublican candidates. In that regard, I like what Dr. Paul was attempting to accomplish. I wish that Mr. Barr had shown up. According to his own press release, he declined to participate because Dr. Paul refused to endorse a single candidate. Mr. Barr threw away some good camera time by doing that but it was his choice and I don't have cause to question his reasons. The press conference was not assembled to endorse a single candidate, but rather to try to press the notion that alternative voices, of which Mr. Barr is one, should be heard.

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I'm a bit disappointed.

It is kinda cute to see that the minor party folks can agree on some stuff, but don't the major parties also agree on some stuff? Isn't that part of the problem?

Paul's underlying principle of Liberty almost seems to be morphing into a principle of 'anybody but the encumbents'. That really seems kind of cheap...something like half of the folks out there say that.

I'm a bit mad because he didn't even try to focus his support towards anything other than the C4L.

Why the hell didn't he agree to take the nomination of the LP??? The excuse I heard around here was that would hurt his standing in congress. Hanging out with a trail lawyer and some green/socialist party members will help that how???

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Oblivion?

As the C4L spokesperson, Ron Paul has opened his arms wide today and said, "Welcome all my disempartied Americans, welcome!" This was a strategic move---NOT for the Ron Paul presidential campaign, BUT for the Campaign for Liberty. I think it is a brilliant and beautiful move. Now my neighbors (McKinney/Nader supporters) and myself & hubby (Ron Paulites) have a common point of reference ---- the Campaign for Liberty. Freedom & peace first, I say!

I agree

Freedom is popular. Peace

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I'am not hating Bob Barr

and I'am not organized. All I do is point out that people are wasting their time with this neo-con shill.

Dr. Paul cured my apathy

Ron Paul was right

Paul and the majority of voters

I think he didn't mean the "supporters" or at least not only, but in fact he meant the 60% voters who are dissatisfied with the two main choices.

He teached the 37 Mio. people who watched Palin's RNC speech, just 1 Mio less than Obama DNC speech was watched, which shows the dissatisfaction of these millions: dissatisfied with Obama, dissatisfied with McCain, so let's watch his VP-candidate. It was so blatant.
I think these four third party candidates should endorse him etc..

Thanks.

Ron Paul was never gonna be on the ballot

There are far too many Ballot Laws that dissallow people who ran for primary to appear on the final ballot if not nominated by their party.

Ron Paul would appear on no more than 20 of the national ballots if he wanted to run independently; and its far to late to put him on the ballot for most of those states.

Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.

"Everything in Moderation! Even socialism."

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Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.

"Everything in Moderation! Even socialism."

Obama 2008/Rand Paul 2012

THIS IS JUST THE WEEDING OUT STAGE FOLKS!

DR. PAUL NEVER DISPERSED OUR MOVEMENT INTO OBLIVION!

This is the weeding out stage so important at the beginning of a movement. This is where folks are made to stand where they truly stand before choices and commitments are made. Its a necessary scuffle.

When Ron Paul refused to give into McCain or give into the other plant, Barr, well, this shows how principled Dr. Paul is which is no surprise to those of us who know what it means to 'take a stand' not in word but in deed.

Dr. Paul is a great chess player when it comes to principle.

Our third party choice is Chuck Baldwin (and perhaps even, Ron Paul, we'll see)

Let the dust settle first...

I can say with absolute confidence, there is no one on this website who has, at times, been more critical of Ron Paul's campaign. However, I believe Ron Paul not only just evaded a carefully crafted NWO trap involving Bob Barr, he turned the tables on them. Barr and the LPs now look like fools and much of their membership will scatter to other parties unless they dump Barr / Root. Thank you, Bob Barr, and thank you, Ron Paul.

I thought the LP went after Barr in 2002

How did Barr end up becoming the LP champion?

I haven't given up on RP totally

...just any chance of voting for him this year...I actually was hoping he'd surprise us and get on the ballot somehow. I guess it is just finally sinking in.

We are taking a big risk thinking we can do something better in 2012.

Like Ventura, I'll be watching for the next four years and I will lend a hand where I can...but I won't commit. And donations? Ask me again in 2012.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong

This is what he just did: Two-party charade must end,says Ron Paul

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We dispersed ourselves

We dispersed ourselves months ago when only 10-20 thousand out of a million plus supporters were all that was willing to step up.

Voting 3rd party may make us feel better but it will do nothing to further our cause. We'd be luck if we have ten thousand right now willing to do anything that is needed to make a difference.

I wonder how free we'll all feel when losing our jobs, house s, and everything to the banksters when the economy melts down

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Don't be surprised

Everywhere he goes people are bugging him about endorsing someone for president so he finally answered it. God, you get mad when he doesn't endorse someone, mad if he does. Grow up. It's about the larger message.
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LOL

You may not be a troll, but you sure post like one. LOL

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That's because I'm too independent and idealistic

I don't tow the line for anyone or anything...eventually I piss off the local establishment...eventually everyone will call me a troll here.

Principles before people..that's what drew me to Ron Paul to begin with...now people want me to just go along with this lame series of events that is call the Ron Paul Revolution Year 2008.

And I won't do it.

I also won't support Chuck Bible-thumper Balwin...he's an ant compared to the record of Ron Paul.

I'd tolerate him if he were Paul's VP, but to actually vote for him. No. He has no actual record.

If you are waiting for me to give up my mind, you'll be waiting a long time.

Well David was a little sheperd boy and he killed goliath

saul has killed his thousands but David has killed his ten thousands.

lol better face it Ron Paul is a goliath killer. The funny thing he couldn't even tell you how he does it. He gets up in the morning puts his shoes on and goes to a press conferance and one of the giants falls dead. Its the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my whole life. truely amazing!