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Barr seems to have some good reasons for not attending.

I'm gather that from this report from Barr's press conference: http://www.reason.com/blog/#128719

Dr. Paul appeared to be giving support to all the 3rd party candidates, including socialists. Barr doesn't like that message. That breaks up the movement and send it in multiple directions, to supporting both big government candidates and limited government candidates.

He wants to stand out from the pack, and he wants to carry on the limited government movement. And he doesn't want to be seen at a press conference with socialists like Nader and seeming to be on the same side as him. Dr. Paul's staff didn't fully represent the nature of the press conference to Barr. He was not notified until that day that the other candidates were being invited to the press conference, and that he be sharing the stage with socialists.

Paul supporters weren't sending him much money anyway, so what did he have to lose? It may be worth sacrificing the the most radical and touchy Paul supporters who fly off the handle with rage just because someone doesn't attend a Ron Paul press conference, in order to get larger support by not appearing to be just "one of the above." It won't help him to be seen as part of a coalition that supports both big government and small government.

And the more controversial his move the better, because then the media may pick up on it. Then he can explain how he's so much diffferent from the others, and get more support.

He and his running mate Root, were on Cavuto today afterwards, where Root is offereing to step down so that Paul can take his place: http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandin...

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A little lesser evil than...

...the two lessers.

Funny, yet very reflective of Reality:

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I stay loyal to Dr. No

Vote Libertarian, Vote Bob Barr

Vote Libertarian, vote for Bob Barr.

Bob Barr is a toolbox for the same old establishment

This is very plain to see...

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You could say the say the

You could say the say the same thing about Paul, with his giving 25k to the neo-cons

as Ron admited

Ron Paul did not meet with any of the 4 candidates before that press conference THAT was a mistake.

only Nader and Barr can attain 10% or more across the nation
I suggest we pick one of those(or both) and push for them to have as many votes as possible and to be in the main debates.

how do you think Ventura will run in 2012?
LP ticket I think.
Ventura said many times he wants to have nothing to do with two major parties so LP or creating a new party.

Baldwin gets no media coverage and is against gambling(Nevada hates him)

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I feel sorry for my Libertarian friends

No matter how much they try to justify this, it is not a good thing to alienate the Ron Paul crowd, like trying to shift the blame to Dr. Paul..

Well, RonBarr I predicted we would have evidence within the ...

week, rather the LP would agree with you about this being a good move for Mr. Barr.

Here it is:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/61594
I will let you draw your own conclusions.

WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994

Bob Barr is a clown

Bottom line.

THATS YOUR OPINION....

THE ONLY WAY ANYONE COULD SIDE WITH BOB BARR RIGHT NOW IS IF THEY ARE LEANING NEO CONS OR DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT 'LIBERTARIAN' MEANS PHILOSOPHICALLY.

I THINK WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT HE WAS A PLANT TO SABOTAGE PLAIN AND SIMPLE. AGENT PROVOCATEUR. HE ADMITTED TO WASHINGTON TIMES HIS PREVIOUS EMPLOYER WAS CIA. EVERYTHING NOW ADDS UP.

Welcome 1 week member

Welcome 1 week member and opportunist. Thanks for letting us know that you hate the leading opposition to McCain for the Conservative vote. Thanks for opening our eyes.

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Dr. Paul's position has not changed

He still advocates the same thing he always has. HE DOES NOT INTEND TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO. This is why we all love the guy. If you want to vote for Nader, fine. If you want to vote for Chuck Baldwin, fine. Whatever. What Ron is saying is, you are free people (as free as is possible in a police state), vote for who you want, but don't believe the hype about the current 2 sided coin of the state. There is little difference between the 2 'major' candidates. Ron was even asked by CNN if he planned to vote for Nader and he said no. As I said, the point is, make your own choice, and make it an informed choice. The 'major' candidates will not TOUCH Ron's key issues. CNN claims they will follow up on this, but I doubt it.

As an aside, Bob Barr is a douchebag, and he really showed liberty loving people his true colors here. If the Libertarian Party has any scruples or principles left, they will throw this jerk out on his ass. But they won't. And they also won't be getting my vote. All Barr had to do was show up at the presser and I was going to vote for him. But he wouldn't even stand up for principle a little bit. Perhaps he feared being obscured by the media. Maybe his real handlers told him no. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that this guy basically tried to create his campaign in the shadow of Ron Paul and his principled positions (excluding immigration, which he was right on in '88), and now he won't be seen in public with the guy. His offer of the VP slot is close to insulting. If Bob Barr were a real libertarian I bet Ron would have considered it more seriously.

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

What Ron Paul was trying to

What Ron Paul was trying to do is open up the door for third party debates. That is not the same as pushing for socialists. He is always fair, and believes the people should be allowed to choose, is why he included these other candidates. Keep your facts straight and lets not slant the story against Ron Paul.

The ONLY good reasons i can see

for not attending the press conference as he agreed on initially
is showing everyone that he cannot be trusted, that he is in it for himself.

Regardless of all the discussions here on this thread we have to be grateful that he showed his true colors early in the piece.

When spreading this message of liberty, there is no room for personal agendas.

This says a lot about Barr's character

He informs RP that he was attending then doesn't. I never liked him anyway but at least he could have told RP that he was not going to attend. What a jerk. Sounds infantile to me.

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If this was stand-up...

that would be funny.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Barr was going to go...

But on the way over there he realized he left his mustache comb in his other brief case!

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Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Check your premises

These "reasons" sound like the lame excuses of a candidate in an election for junior high president. Jeezus.

Dr. Paul appeared to be giving support to all the 3rd party candidates, including socialists.

Yeah, right. Dr. Ron Paul was giving support to socialists. Ron Paul! Please! That's so preposterous I don't know what to say. I know, I'll leave it to Ayn Rand to explain this one.

"Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. " - Ayn Rand

Please, check your premises.


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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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"Check your premises"

I've come across that line 3 times so far and the third time just last night. It's rewarding to me that the quote from your subject line caught my attention right off the bat. Nice!

Back to the book now.

Which book?


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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Almost finished....

Atlas Shrugged

Dr. Paul did say explicitly on CNN afterwards

he was trying to get votes for Nader.

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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...

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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...

Follow the logic

If you know anything about Ron Paul at all, you would know that he is probably the fiercest anti-socialist in American history. Now you surmise that he is supporting a socialist, and your evidence for this is he admitted "he was trying to get votes for Nader". That's a very big contradiction. One (rash) reaction is to assume the latest premise is true, and ignore the one based on decades of history. And that's apparently what Barr and his campaign did. Pathetic.

A reasoned approach would be to check the premises. Could Ron Paul be a closet socialist? Maybe something else is going on here? In other words, think. You're running a guy for frickin' POTUS. You've got to be able to think! Don't do something rash.

You guys just can't seem to acknowledge, much less show that you understand and appreciate, the BIG PICTURE. Yes, Ron Paul was trying to get votes for Nader, who, yes, is a socialist.... but WHY??? Votes from whom? What is this about? That's what you're supposed to be doing, getting to the bottom of things. Not reacting rashly based on who knows what.

The BIG PICTURE is that no 3rd party candidate, including Bob Barr, is going to get anywhere until we change the 2-party paradigm accepted by the vast majority of the American people. So that's what was being attacked by Ron Paul. And yeah, for now, that means trying to get votes for Nader. Votes that otherwise would go to Obama! People who would even consider Nader are not going to vote for Barr either way, except maybe a few dozen complete morons here or there. Surely Barr can recognize that that's a price well worth paying.

Bob Barr is going to have to lick Ron Paul's feet as he apologizes and explains clearly how he now understands that he completely blew it, or it's over.

I'm not going to explain this again. I'm done.


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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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How about the broken record

How about the broken record on this dirt bag!

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

You know, "RonBarr', is is interesting

with what vigor and ferver you post here, in support of Bob Barr and repeatedly ATTACK Ron Paul, for having been here for only one week.

Pray tell, what is your connection with the liberty movement and Ron Paul? Because your whole modus operandi seems to be to discourage and deflect support for Ron Paul, and also to deflect any criticism of the whole established power structure, and anything or anyone that truly challenges it --- and that does NOT include the neocon mole Bob Barr.

You twisting little

You twisting little weasel...will you never stop with your lies. He is trying to get votes for all of the 3rd party candidates...he wants you to choose for yourself. He said for Nader because that was the context of the interview with Nader right next to him. He even said he would not vote for Nader to Nader's face.

You are a twisting lying weasel. Take your lies somewhere else!!!!!

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I understand. And that's the problem.

He's trying to get votes for all of them. That's stupid. Our votes and money should be focused on getting one person in the debates that will speak our message of limited government. What Paul is doing, unintentionally, is spreading us thin so that none of these people will make it in the debates. It's difusing the power of the movement, which could have been focused by an endorsement (or just by not having the press conference at all).

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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...

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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...

your message is different than THE message

yours is the kind of thinking that can rationalise bombing a sovereign nation back to bedrock so they can enjoy democracy.

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No you IDIOT! He has

No you IDIOT! He has successfully got known socialist like Nader and McKinney talking about Ron Paul's and all of our 4 top talking points. This is in itself genius. This expands the topics being discussed in this country beyond the stupid irrelevant topics.

Lets take the Federal Reserve...that is huge...the establishment will find this coming at them in the future from socialists as well. Did you not listen to Nader decrying the Federal Reserve? You are completely blind to the big picture and the long term goal. All you can see is this present race...and neocon (B)end (O)ver (B)uddy Barrs race. You FOOL...Barr or any of the 3rd party candidates cannot win...yet...but the MESSAGE CAN win! That is why you and Barr are shortsighted FOOLS!

I attended the Real Clear Politics Training School and Leadership Summit in Minneapolis...this all falls in line with the C4L strategy. More of the C4L strategy will be released approx. Oct 1st on the C4L website.

He is trying to get Obama votes or socialist apathetic voters to make a stand against Obama and Demoncrat Communist Party. He is also trying to get the same reaction from the other side against the Fascist Republican Party.

You really are a shortsighted ignorant head up your butt TOOL!!!!

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