I'm the guy that Benton threw out... *UPDATE*
Submitted by The_Producer on Wed, 09/10/2008 - 14:46
Let's start a dialogue. Ask away....
UPDATE*
I'd be glad to discuss these issues with anyone with an open mind who has honest questions. Please feel free to call me at my office. I'm more than happy to have a dialogue with you.
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Hi Austin, it's Daniel (the
Hi Austin, it's Daniel (the art student who made the chalkboard graphic for you guys).
What exactly happened? I don't want to accept the angry rumors flying around on here without clarification from someone in Bob Barr's campaign that I can trust.
From what I understand (and please correct me if I'm wrong):
-Bob Barr endorsed the platform of the 3rd party coalition, but chose not to attend the press conference in protest because he disagreed with the idea of endorsing "all of the above" instead of just one person/him. Was there any intention of insult/disrespect in this decision?
-He then proceeded to host his own press conference where he announced that he'd written a letter to Ron Paul offering him the VP slot.
-During the press conference, Rally for the Republic speaker and Iraq War Veteran retracted his endorsement (I assume he disagreed/was disappointed in Bob Barr for not attending Ron Paul's press conference).
-Now, this could be just rumors, but--- some on here have claimed that Bob Barr was being critical of Ron Paul/passing snide comments, and that one of his staff members made other obscene comments.
So. What exactly is going on?
Oh, and why did Jesse Benton throw you out?
Austin it's very nice of you...but..Bob Barr is still a tool of
the same old gang that Obama and McCain belong to. Barr has simply been propped up to oppose Ron Paul. Plain and Simple. THAT is why he couldn't be at the Press Conference, His Masters wouldn;t allow it.
Barr has "disinformation agent" written ALL over him
Just my opinion....
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Thanks, Austin
I think there were clearly some miscommunications here.
I know that there has been no end of complaint about how hard it is to get answers out of the Ron Paul campaign(s). We all know someone who couldn't get through to them, for whatever reason. It isn't surprising that so many people were "out of the loop" on this one.
Nader knew at least 40 minutes prior that Barr could not come, if I understood him correctly. He confirms Barr's support for the goals of the coalition. It's too bad that wires got crossed, but I don't think any insults were intended (since there would be nothing to gain by anyone but the Obama and McCain camps).
I just want to thank you, Austin, for your direct approach and availability to a rational discussion and clarification of events. (I may have to up my monthly pledge, because I'm sure you're not paid enough.)
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
Thank you so much. This is a
Thank you so much. This is a really hard job because everyone piles onto the staff :(
I will always be available to anyone who wants to have an open and honest discussion. I'm more than glad to talk to anyone anytime about these events, and why I think that it's important that people who follow Paul as I do, vote for Barr.
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I feel bad for what happened to you today
I feel bad for myself too because I am no longer a Bob Barr supporter.
And was defending Bob up until getting a better picture of what occured today.
I salute you for your hard work in the cause of liberty.
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Ron Paul is the ONLY stateman in the liberty movement who sees the ideas and ideals of liberty to be greater than his own career. Even though he is not running any longer, he continues to do all he can to break down the barriers to the voices of liberty being heard.
Ron Paul stuck his neck out today, putting the need of the nation above his own, and being willing to jeopardize even his standing in Congress and with his fellow Republicans. He deserved the support even of that tiny fraction of the electorate known as the Libertarian Party, and Bob Barr would have increased his stock with liberty lovers all over the Nation had he kept his word today.
Instead, the little people at the LP and the Barr Campaign chose to belittle the one man responsible for any opening they have this year, and to diminish their reputations by so doing.
Barr is too infected to be worth supporting. He'll sell out.
We're spoiled to have been associated with Ron Paul.
Nobody in Washington comes close in terms of his discernment, honesty and purity of heart.
We have a lot of work to do.
We need to stop looking for another "King" to lead us.
This king shit is in our American blood.
He rarely critcizes an individual. He focuses on actions and policies. He's had so many opportunities to beat so many other contender's assess in public debates and he's always been a gentleman.
We're in a tight spot...but we'll figure it out.
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I have nothing against you....
Barr has shown his true colors today...he's done....you can't fix it, so give it up........
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Where you go wrong
Expecting Ron Paul to endorse an adulterous abortionist who voted for the patriot act and fought the "war on drugs". Don't look for an endorsement from a principled man for an unprincipled one. Why are the libertarians such cry baby sissies?
The only reason Ron Paul got so much support is because he spoke truth to power and had a proven track record. If the Libertarian party would have picked someone genuine like Ruwart we would have seen the 3rd party go over the top. Now the idiots in charge think the libertarian party has some power. You don't have anything but a lame duck candidate.
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The_Producer, we want you to
The_Producer, we want you to come home. Come back to the R3volution.
Bob Barr looked to be the best option for a while, but he showed his true colors today. Bob Barr turned his back on Ron Paul and on the rest of us.
It's time to let Bob Barr and the LP wither away and put our support behind those who truly deserve it. I haven't chosen a candidate just yet, but I have decided to stand behind RON PAUL. I trust RP and I believe in him.
Regarding Bob Barr.... as of today I think BOB BARR SUCKS
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Here is why I feel you and Barr are frauds
I have been in politics less than a year. I KNOW why Ron Paul cannot endorse Barr or be his VP. Are you pretending Bob Barr is less politically savvy than a housewife who has been at this for less than a year? And yourself, do you know why Ron Paul cannot do what Barr asked him to do? Or are you woefully underqualified?
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Hey Austin!
This is Will.... I met u at Grand Central last year along w/ Ron Paul. Wasn't that an awesome day? What's this all about???
Hey Will! That was an
Hey Will! That was an awesome day! Can you believe I am working at the LP now because of all that crazy stuff we pulled in NYC?!
Give me a call at my office and we can catch up.
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I think you need to clarify...
That you are the "Bob Barr supporter from the 10AM Ron Paul Press Conference -- the one who did NOT KNOW that Bob Barr had canceled his appearance."
Otherwise people will be confused... and be (mistakenly) ripping on you for *other* things that have nothing to do with what happened to you.
BTW, I think Jesse Benton was an ASSCLOWN (yet again. does this guy do ANYTHING right?) for not simply "politely" explaining the situation to you (and then letting you continue to hand out info if you still wanted to... it's called Freedom of Speech!)
O.K. Mr. Producer lets first establish credibility ...
What is your real full name?
How old are you?
WAHOR!!
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WAHOR!!
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Im Austin Petersen, I'm 27.
Im Austin Petersen, I'm 27.
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Where did you attend graduate school?
WAHOR!!
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WAHOR!!
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Is this a criminal prosecution?
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O.K., sorry about that ...
The single issue for me is why did Mr. Barr make a committment and then break that committment?
His explaination was plain enough, but it reaks of deception. It makes one believe that he had planned on the snub for some time.
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Why?
Why do you think so.
And why would he do so?
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
Okay now type more than 1/2 a paragraph and say what you have
Say what you have to say already type it all out and post it.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making my act on what I already knew was right.
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I agree. Chasing your replies up and down the page sucks
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If we truly want to break
If we truly want to break the two-party duopoly, we would take action that would bring real change, and unite behind one candidate. If the other third parties cared about seeing our common goals brought to policy, they would end their candidacies and support the strongest candidate with the most ballot access that can bring about real change. If they don’t, then they can’t accuse us of being partisan, because they are doing the same thing, and the principles they fight for are not Libertarian.
If we all really wanted to unite, we would urge Dr. Paul to accept the VP nod and break the back of the establishment. A Barr/Paul ticket would win.
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Resistance to the duopoly is
Resistance to the duopoly is fractured. A Paul/Barr ticket wouldn't win in this election. It may be able to get 20%, tops, but it wouldn't win. The event today was the beginning of uniting the outside parties in a platform that would pose real resistance, or even win, in 2012. A unification on the basic principles given today could, in time, gain enough independents and disaffected Republicrats, to be a force. A grassroots campaign to break the duopoly has no chance in 2 months, but 4 years is possible. Barr did his best to hurt that today, either our of ego or malice toward the republic.
I'll also add that Barr wouldn't be on the ticket for a unification campaign. He just started humming the LP melody, even if out of tune, a couple months ago. Greens etc wouldn't go for Barr. They would go for Paul if there was a Green friendly candidate on the ticket with him.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
20% is a win
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
20% is a rejection of the
20% is a rejection of the Republicrats but it doesn't put them in office. To do that consistently you need 50%+. The purist liberty movement and those it could attract by election day couldn't get enough votes to win against both parties. By honestly incorporating the "green" side against the Republicrats we can make the same statement against them now and have a real chance of winning later.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
Barr blew that chance
... with the comments on his website regarding RP and the press conference. I wouldn't exactly equate those words to unifying the 3rd parties. But, I do agree that splitting the votes will only ensure a dismal showing by any one candidate.
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Excuse me
What in the heck does that have to do with your original post about getting thrown out of the press conference, the question we want answered is what happened there? Did the LP now what was going on, did Barr go off on his own, we all agree that DR. Paul would be the best candidate. But, with all the respect I can muster right now, post a clear account of what happened at the news conference or just hush.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making my act on what I already knew was right.
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This pretty much says it all
This pretty much says it all about the Barr campaign considering this was on the campaign website until about 20 minutes ago.
This was posted in the comments on Bob Barr's website. It is a post from the field director of his campaign. The post is on his personal myspace page:
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http://blog.myspace.com/i...
Earlier today, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) held a press conference in Washington, D.C. where he said…well, nothing...
He invited Libertarian Party Presidential nominee Bob Barr and independent Presidential candidate Ralph Nader along with the nominees of two small, minor political parties to stand behind him as he encouraged Americans to vote for anyone other than Sens. Barak Obama and John McCain.
Ron Paul wasted the press corps' time with this press conference. It accomplished nothing and displayed a complete lack of leadership on Paul's part.
Of the four invitees, only Bob Barr had the sense to skip the event. He held his own press conference, also in Washington, D.C., later in the day.
Among the things in Ron Paul's statement was a reference to the "principled non-voter", claiming they are sending a message and should start a "League of Non Voters" to impact the nation and government.
So, in other words, Paul stated that people should not vote for Obama or McCain and should vote for a third party nominee…unless they really don't want to.
Allow me to set the good Doctor straight: "principled non voters" count the same, and have the same impact on America, as lazy, apathetic citizens who simply do not care enough to get involved and vote. There is no difference between the wannabe political philosopher who refuses to cast a vote "out of principle" and the lazy citizen who chooses to remain ignorant of the issues, the candidates and his or her government.
Keep in mind that some of Paul's followers have placed his name on the Presidential ballot in two states (Louisiana and Montana). Paul could have kept his name off the ballot in those states by simply requesting that he not be listed as a candidate in the general election, but in an effort in ego, he chose to allow his name to go on the ballot in direct competition with the other candidates he claims to encourage people to consider voting for.
Ron Paul has, again, blown a tremendous opportunity to lead and advance the agenda of the Constitution, and individual liberty. Since he launched his Presidential Exploratory Committee almost two years ago, Ron Paul has repeatedly said this campaign is not about the man (him) but about the message (liberty and the Constitution).
Really, Dr. Paul? Your actions belie your words.
If he were truly serious about this being "about the message" and not the man, he would be making sure that the message is resonating far and wide through and during the Presidential campaign.
The Libertarian Party begged him to accept its nomination and continue his campaign through Election Day. He declined.
The Libertarian Party then nominated the only credible pro-freedom candidate in the Presidential race, former Congressman Bob Barr, but Paul refused to support him, saying he is working for freedom within the Republican Party.
Backing Barr would have taken courage on Paul's part. Instead, today he took a cop-out course of action by encouraging a nondescript "vote third party" message that would water down the impact of the freedom vote. If Americans are serious about sending a message that demands the restoration of our civil liberties, an end to the war in Iraq, a foreign policy that makes sense and solid, realistic economic policies then there is only one option to vote for on November 4th – Bob Barr.
Ron Paul knows that. Instead, he encouraged watering down the vote while maximizing his marketing base for the Campaign for Liberty, his book sales, etc.
After Rep. Paul collected millions in donations from Libertarians, independents and Republicans during his campaign, he has since:
1) Sold his followers a book
2) Had people travel to (or donate to) a march on Washington D.C. that ultimately proved to be too small to even get noticed, much less have any sort of impact
3) Launched the "Campaign for Liberty" and hit up his followers, again, for donations to this organization that has made no noticeable effort to support liberty-minded candidates
4) Sold thousands of tickets to the "Rally for the Republic" in Minnesota, where he then sold t-shirts, more books, vendor booth space, advertising in the programs and a host of other things.
Ron Paul is now in the Ron Paul business – and business is lucrative.
As painful as it is to state the obvious: this campaign by the man is no longer about the message, it is about the money – lots of it. Other than in his pocket and in the pocket of his paid staff, where is all the money going?
No one seems to know for sure.
In a time of economic recession, Paul has found a way to keep going back to the financial well of his followers, creating yet another challenge for candidates who are still running for office at all levels and are unable to raise the funds needed to effectively spread the message of liberty and the Constitution.
I was among the first to donate to Dr. Paul's Exploratory committee and I also donated to his Presidential campaign. Once he dropped out of the race, though, I did the responsible thing and got behind the only remaining credible candidate, Bob Barr, who is capable of injecting the message Ron Paul claims to want to spread through Election Day and beyond.
America still needs to hear that message and only Bob Barr is capable of taking the message further down the field. Unfortunately, it is obvious that Ron Paul is more interested in making money off the message than helping spread it through someone else. Maybe he is worried that Bob Barr will publish a book and compete for customers.
Thousands of Americans rushed to join Ron Paul's campaign, myself included. For us, it has always been about the message. We were thrilled to have someone serve as spokesman for the cause of liberty and back a candidate who could leverage his position as a major-party candidate to spread our message to millions through the campaign.
That is why we donated millions of dollars collectively.
Since ending his Presidential campaign, though, Ron Paul has gone from being the hope for America to being a major obstacle to the message of freedom and the Constitution.
By contrast, Bob Barr showed that he is not just talking about and rallying for the message of freedom, he is doing something about the need to put liberty and Constitutional issues front and center in the Presidential campaign.
The Barr campaign continues to pick up steam in the national media and in the polls. People are listening and we cannot miss this opportunity to maximize our reach. The message is still getting out – because of Bob Barr.
Dr. Paul, where is the leadership from you? We certainly did not see any today in Washington, D.C.
Do Paul's loyal followers, I ask one simple question: Are you serious about continuing to spread the message of Liberty for America?
If so, prove it. Go to www.bobbarr2008.com and sign up for our email updates. Then, look for a MeetUp group in your area – if there isn't one already, start one. Also, make a donation to the campaign. In any event, get involved in the Barr campaign because this campaign is actually about the message.
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What makes you think that this wasn't Paul / Barr theater?
and that Barr, whether or not he informed Ron and gained his consent, purposefully decided to torpedo his own campaign?