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My Reaction and Analysis. Recommendations for the future.

Press Conference:

I feel that this press conference did exactly what it was intended to do, eliminate any molls involved to thwart the freedom movement.

What I think happened:

Barr was invited to the press conference and he had every intention of attending because his goals was to steal as many votes as possible from the freedom movement candidates (by disguising himself as one of them) in order to lessen the impact of such a movement. In truth, if the movement were completely concentrated there wouldn't be much the NWO and both mainstream parties could do to stop it.

Once whoever was in charge of Barr got wind of the press conference he ordered Barr to stand down because it would work against the hidden agenda of Barr. Maybe I'm seeing things, maybe I'm not. But it's often said that in order to catch a criminal you must think like the criminal and if I were trying to organize an "attack" on the freedom movement thats how I would have done it.

The higher ups couldn't have Barr advocating Americans to send more votes to ANY third party, only his. Him being there was counter productive to the goal but also forced him to sacrifice his mission of capturing people in the freedom movement under him. When he was forced to pullout, last minute, it was basically the end of his run. Damage control was later administered but nominating Ron Paul as his vice pres. but why would he do such a thing if he didn't agree with Paul's press conference to begin with? The higher ups took in all the information and played out several scenario's and tried to pick which would be the best for achieving their goal of weakening the freedom movement and the mission that Barr was on to help achieve that goal. The end result is that they figured that it was cause more harm that good (toward their goal) if Barr had made an appearance and gave a speech backing Ron Paul and others' request for Americans to back 3rd party candidates. Therefore, they sacrificed Barr for the good of their mission.

Meanwhile, consider this a small victory for us. The LP will probably dissolve or be weakened to the point of having no effect on this election. However, their mission remains, to disillusion the freedom movement. We can be confident that at this point every candidate that made it to the conference will be better than either two candidates running (or else they would have pulled out aswell).

The cookie crumbles further, the blow back Barr is receiving for this is going further than they probably predicted in their scenario's for making decisions. Barr is toast and the media is covering it, American's are slowly waking up and now it is a wild chase to see if we can get enough American's awake before election time. The internet is teaming with energy, people are speaking up to their family's and friends.

What to expect:

Based on my mindset being in their shoes this is what I think their next step might be. With Barr out of the running they will no longer have the means to steal votes (of people's minds). They may either 1) push a new candidate on the MSM of another party, which I think is unlikely. and/or 2) Try to "get to" one of the existing candidates who attending the press conference. I do not think they will be able to get to Baldwin but you never know.

They can go back to ignoring the freedom movement altogether. Which is think is their most viable option at this point. By having the media scaling back their coverage of the freedom movement until after the election is over (at which time whats done is done). However, over the long term this option is not viable because the freedom movement just isn't going to go away. Over the next election cycle they will probably push a candidate that will "satisfy" our "freedom movement" to get us to shut up. But that candidate will be working for them and really won't bring about the change we recognize as our god given right to life.

A very realistic possibility is the attempted assassination of Ron Paul. This was hinted at before at secret meetings, for those who keep up to date on things. This is a VERY big gamble. When the assassination Dr. MLK occurred it back fired in many ways. With the internet and media the way it is today it would be a very big gamble to take because the results will be mixed. They tried to divide and conquer with Barr to no avail, their logic may be to cut the head off the movement in hopes that it will fall apart. In this scenario two things may happen. 1) the movement rallies behind several difference candidates and parties thus diluting the message and helping maintain the status quo, especially if the freedom movement start arguing amongst themselves. Or 2) The freedom movement unites to bring about serious change in an extremely swift manner. People start getting angry and start doing something about that anger.

What I'd recommend the freedom movement does in the short term:

Prepare for the media blackout that may occur. Start raising funds to push the freedom message out there. Billboards, TV ads, even internet ads, Mass Emails, bumper stickers, anything that will help spread the message. WE MUST SHOW SUPPORT VISUALLY! Its important that people start to realize how many Freedom people there are around them, in their own community, on their own block. We must communicate with people in their home, in their community, on the way to and from work, until they start reading for themselves. Billboards along major highways will be excellent for reaching people, choose routes that people tend to travel on often (like going to work everyday). We must spread the message at home using whatever means possible. It has to be done hard and fast.

We must spread the message internationally. As of right now we are nearly war with Russia. As Americans we must communicate to international states that our government is acting against our will. We must let them know that they are acting against the will and intent of the American people and to please do their part in helping restore order in our country.

We must identify and communicate with the generals commanding our troops, our ships, our aircraft, our tanks. We must tell them that they are going against the will and intent of the American people, of whom they swore to protect. We must demand that they stand down in any more acts of war against any country and act solely on the defense of this nation directly, on our borders, not international ones. We must overload these generals with how we feel, open a direct line of communication between us and them. Right now there is military dissension in our ranks. A line is being drawn between the neocon supporters and freedom lovers in uniform all over the world. We must let them know that we are here to support them and our doing our job at home to help them do their job over there.

The freedom movement's long term goal:

What is the longterm goal of the freedom movement? It simply cannot be to elect "change" and continue on. We must realize that our government and country are not that of which was when this country we first embarked on. They're are two governments currently, a corporate government (which is in control now) and an original government (which is largely unseated and empty). We complain that its hard to get ballot access and that its hard to win elections because of diebold etc. Well, my friends, the only way to rein in the corporate government is to return power to the original government that is currently, a majority, empty. Once we understand that the corporate government is a picture replica of our original government but is able to perform many other duties because of contract, then we can institute change that will be long lasting. www.Teamlaw.org is trying to reseat the original jurisdiction government of "the united States". Once the united States is at near full power we will be able to control THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Look up the facts, its the truth weather you like it or not. The good thing is that all the seats are empty waiting for YOU to run in your state to bring America back to the days of true freedom. We can do this now, I'd run for governor of my state but I am to young but I intend to once I am of age. By recapturing our government and our country we can do what WE want not what "THEY" want.

In closing:

I'm sure many of you will disagree or have your own standpoints on many of the things I've spoken here. I welcome it all. I believe it is in our best interest to take a platform and constantly improve upon it for the well being of humanity. All of the pieces of the puzzle are on the table and ready for us to put them together. We must recognize that no government or no man has the authority to govern ANY aspect of our lives. The founders knew this and the government they instituted existed solely around that fundamental fact. The government they created was our friend, the government that has came to power over the last 150 years used our freedoms against us while we haven't been paying attention, now its time to open up our eyes and take responsibility as well as action in rallying for the true republic, the united States. If the Ron Paul freedom movement seriously considers reseating our original government not even the sky would be a limit.

J-J:M
-I reserve the right to govern myself.




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Yay!

for knowledge of original jurisdiction government! Maybe it is not all that empty....just a thought.
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Yes, yesterday's press

Yes, yesterday's press conference did indeed expose a mole: Bob Barr. At least that's how I feel about it at the moment.

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YES WE CAN!

Take a peek at the thread "Take back our STATES, we take back the COUNTRY" which exlpain HOW to do it and check out the website COMMITTEES OF SAFETY.com for further information.

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A few questions...

Interesting (cough) read.

An inability to be clear and concise speaks volumes. I'm just saying...

Now, as to what you posted.... I have trouble understanding much of it, and so have a few questions.

  • Once whoever was in charge of Barr got wind of the press conference he ordered Barr to stand down because it would work against the hidden agenda of Barr. Maybe I'm seeing things, maybe I'm not. But it's often said that in order to catch a criminal you must think like the criminal and if I were trying to organize an "attack" on the freedom movement thats how I would have done it.

    Please explain how Barr not showing up to RP's conference (which was not directly about liberty or freedom) "would work against the hidden agenda of Barr"? What exactly did it do?

  • The end result is that they figured that it was cause more harm that good (toward their goal) if Barr had made an appearance and gave a speech backing Ron Paul and others' request for Americans to back 3rd party candidates.

    Please explain how Barr making an appearance at a speech only a few RP supporters even paid attention to would cause more harm than good for their alleged goal to hurt the freedom movement. And who exactly is "they" who alleged have this goal?

  • The LP will probably dissolve or be weakened to the point of having no effect on this election. However, their mission remains, to disillusion the freedom movement.

    Please explain how it could be that the 35 year old LP has a mission to "disillusion the [year old or so] freedom movement".

  • Try to "get to" one of the existing candidates who attending the press conference.
    Who exactly will try to "get to" one of the candidates, and what do you mean by "get to"?
  • What I'd recommend the freedom movement does in the short term:

    Prepare for the media blackout that may occur. Start raising funds to push the freedom message out there. Billboards, TV ads, even internet ads, Mass Emails, bumper stickers, anything that will help spread the message.

    In your own words, what exactly is "the freedom message" that you believe needs to be spread, and how does it differ, if it does, from what the LP has been saying for 35 years (including with RP in 1988), and what Bob Barr has been saying in his campaign?

  • We must identify and communicate with the generals commanding our troops, our ships, our aircraft, our tanks. We must tell them that they are going against the will and intent of the American people
    What is your evidence that they are going against the will and intent of the American people? I agree that the majority seems to have been convinced about Iraq, but don't forget there were very few against it when that war started. And our involvement in Afghanistan is still supported by the majority, most even believing it should be more. Where the American people stand with respect to the Russia/Georgia thing is unclear, so far as I can tell.
  • They're are two governments currently, a corporate government (which is in control now) and an original government (which is largely unseated and empty).

    Can you explain this concept of two governments, please? Please contrast it with the view that the original government is still there, but is largely influenced by special interests, lobbyists for corporations and unions, etc.

  • I'm sure many of you will disagree or have your own standpoints on many of the things I've spoken here. I welcome it all.

    And I welcome your answering the questions and addressing the points I've made above.


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No problem, i will answer every question.

1. By Barr not showing up essentially forced him to show his hand. His hidden agenda was to neutralize Ron Paul which he couldn't do any longer because its obvious that he is at ends with him. No the LP wants to oust him as their candidate, looks like I was on the right track. However, the mission still remains to neutralize Ron Paul but Barr isn't gonna be the one to do it.

2. It would have hurt "them" because the RP supporters that they did manage to win over with their propaganda would essentially be following the freedom movement if he had supported it. They would be no difference to the neocons between Barr (their "spy") and any other of the freedom candidates if they are still on the same line. By him not showing up and forcing his hand it was essentially trying to take the RP supporters he "earned" and detracting from the freedom movement.

2b. They are the "Illuminati", "free masons", "council on foreign relations", or any other group of individuals working in collusion against the will and best interests of the American people.

3. In politics things can fall apart in a heartbeat. As we can now see the LP is trying to get rid of Barr in hopes of salvaging whats left of their party in this election cycle. Getting rid of him is probably the only thing they can do at this point to get over this hurdle and not repeat the same mistake twice.

4. See 2b, and by "getting too" meaning that they will try to blackmail or force a candidate to do their deeds against their will. Its surely happened before and will happen again in the future. If you think otherwise then so be it.

5. Hey, i'm not saying what Barr was saying was bad. His message was good but unfortunately the man behind the message wasn't as pure. And at the same time I am not suggesting that the entire LP is corrupt or working with "evil" powers to work against the American people. Matter of fact, I wish the LP the best this election cycle (if they get rid of Barr and go with someone else).

6. 70% of Americans want us out of war but we are still there. Please don't come at me with a load of crap like that. We all know that Americans where doped into war with war propaganda lies and this administration forced Americans to make decisions out of fear instead of logic. Soldiers understand it, they don't want to be there just like the civilians don't want our troops there either. And as far as the Georgia conflict, I don't trust our government as far as I can throwem and by how big they've gotten lately thats not very far at all.

7. The original jurisdictional government in place is largely unseated. The OJ government differs because it is bonded by the early documents that do not give it my flexibility to actually govern (because the people are suppose to govern themselves). Special interest groups cannot lobby that government because that government does not have control of industries and/or regulations. The corporate government was created to handle things that the OJ government wasn't lawfully allowed to do under their own rules. So the corporate government was created to enter into contracts with the people to provide services if needed. However, the corporate government was used to take control of the country by having all politicians "move" over in one fell swoop, the country was changed overnight.

By the way, check out www.teamlaw.org

I swear to god if the Ron Paul revolution got together and seated our OJ government the world would see a golden age.

I reserve the right to govern myself.

I reserve the right to govern myself.

A reasonable person might

A reasonable person might think Barr is attempting to co-opt the Libertarian Party and absorb it into the GOP, and one might also successfully argue that Barr was a stealth "mole" working FOR the GOP in an attempt to collapse the entire Ron Paul movement.

Either argument could hold water and only Barr knows for sure.

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

I would tend to agree with both hypotheses

Or with the idea that his mission was to effectively destroy the LP. But I lean toward your second theory as the most likely.

Regarding the chances that he was a good-faith, born-again Libertarian: slim to none.

good thoughts

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Good thoughts

Good Ideas

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Sounds like you know

What I've been thinking.

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I would even take it a step further.

And say that by trying to have Ron Paul run as a vice president for Barr that would effectively neutralize him by not allowing him to put forth the changes he and the American people desire.

All in all, I'd say it was a pretty clever strategy by the bastards to hit the freedom movement.

I reserve the right to govern myself.

I reserve the right to govern myself.

bump

I reserve the right to govern myself.

I reserve the right to govern myself.

to be honest i really don't know what to think at this point

my head is spinning barr this barr that arrgghhh!

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