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I still don't think I will be able to cast my Presidential ballot for anyone...

Despite the awesome press conference today, which spoke so much truth to power about the 2(1) party system and its exclusion of opposing viewpoints, I still cannot find a candidate.

I side with Ron Paul on near everything.

I realize that Chuck Baldwin does as well for the most part. My turn offs to him are mostly religious. I cannot in good conscience elect a Pastor as President of my country. Especially one who has kind words for Jerry Falwell, whom is one of the most divisive, outspoken modern Evangelical Christian figures. The goal of the moral majority was to force everyone to live by their moral code. This eats at the libertarian within me, and also reminds me of the horrible experience I had growing up in a religious environment just like that. Im really not a huge fan of the 10 commandments, and a pastor such as Mr. Baldwin I'm sure wants them displayed in as many governmental and judicial buildings as possible.

Bob Barr. He has bothered me. He voted for the patriot act, and while people can change their tune, I cant help but doubt his sincerity. I also do not hear a whole hell of a lot about the war from him. Not nearly as much as I need to.

Cynthia McKinney. I admire her willing to stand out about her questions regarding 9-11, the war, and civil liberites. I cannot support a candidate who desires to bring about a more liberal economic policy.

Ralph Nader. He would be the most likely to get my vote because I do respect this man. He is honest and does stick to his word. The war, civil liberties, and 9-11 for some. However, as with Ms. Mckinney, he is far to leftist economically.

I believe both Mckinny and Nader want freedom, but I cannot understand why they also want economic enslavement...

This election season I do not want to waste my vote, so I may not do anything with it.

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This "just vote for a third party" thing is a slippery slope

We were drawn to Ron Paul because of his and our idealism. We fought like hell to support him in an idealistic way (no mudslinging, no violent protests, etc.).

Now, we are supposed to suspend idealism and do something supposedly pragmatic. I don't really care how pragmatic it is, voting for someone because they are the lesser of three evils goes against the grain of idealism.

That's dangerous because now people can start doing whatever in the name of pragmatism. Suddenly, what's good for Ron Paul/Revolution equates to a moral good.

That is what ruined the Pub party, the Dem party, Israel, the USA, Christianity, Judaism and nearly all organizations and nearly all people.

Perhaps we should have just admitted defeat, or wrote in Ron Paul, or escalated to civil disobediance, or something else. But this "send a message/take money from them" tactic doesn't fit us. We are better than this. Yes, that may mean that Ron Paul made a mistake...so what? No one is perfect.

I am thinking that I will

I am thinking that I will vote for Ralph Nader - not because I agree with him- but I don't feel that I want either Baldwin or Barr representing the third party freedom vote )- but I still want to make a statement- this one for me is to the cowardly "opposition" democrats - that are now towing the neocon line. For me this is a win, win - McCain will not get my vote (and I live in AZ) and it is marked up as being against Obama.

As someone against the idea

As someone against the idea of writing in Ron Paul in states where it won't be counted, I do believe at least writing in Ron Paul will get you counted as a voter not supporting either of the two main parties which is a step above not voting at all.

you must vote!

the only way to protest this 2 (1) party system is to cast a vote for a 3rd party candidate. it does not matter which one and it does not matter if you agree with him/her. the only thing that matters is that the neoconservatives see that millions of people figured out the charade and voted for someone else. PLEASE go to the polls and vote for ANY 3rd party candidate on your ballot. avoid write in's b/c it is likely they won't be counted. EVEN if the voting machines are rigged to change your vote to McBama, the man behind the curtain will still get the real results and know that his game is up.

I say, VOTE. The main four

I say, VOTE. The main four issues on the Patriotic American agenda have been agreed to by the third party candidates, thus making them NO EVIL. It is a vote for the side of good, any one you vote for..
They got RP off the ballot in most states, but one of these 3rd parties ARE on it. Such that Diebold does not remove your vote anyway, what can possibly be wrong with voting for any of these candidates? I agree with NONE of their party platforms--I can find NO party that I would join. I can, however, easily and proudly cast my vote for anyone who agrees with RP on these main 4 issues. GO PROTEST!

I agree.... Ron Paul was

I agree.... Ron Paul was perfect....

I don't agree with many of the social issues with Nader and McKinney....

Barr I simply don't trust, especially after today (and his neo-con record)...

and Baldwin is so.... fringe.... so paranoid.... too much conspiracy theorist/tied too closely to religion (and I say that as religious Catholic).

If I vote at all, it'll only be to support the opening up of the system/as a protest vote.... in which case, I have no idea which candidate would be best.... whoever is the strongest/most viable I suppose.

At this point, I honestly wouldn't mind having someone just tell me who to vote for at once.... still, at the same time, frankly, I no longer trust/respect the opinions of many people on here, because to me, so many of you seem slightly hypocritical/focused on candidates who, although they do have the right mind-set on the issues, still are fringe.... it's like some of you are so determined to isolate yourself in 3rd parties that unfortunately, will likely never amount to anything.

Is there room in this boat for me..

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i agree with you on almost

i agree with you on almost all things that you said, its a mirror image of how i feel about the entire situation.

i would encourage you not to abstain though. Hell RP even says dont abstain. i have to share with you why i believe he thinks you should vote for one of these candidates even though he doesnt really believe in any of them whole heartedly.

There is a greater purpose that RP would have your vote to count towards. This election year, we in the liberty movement are NOT voting for a president this year. we are voting against the duopoly in numbers that we hope has never been seen before in the past. Dont abstain, because when you abstain no one hears your voice of dissent and disgust against what has become the political norm.

Take your vote, find a candidate that you believe resonates as closely as possible on an overall scale with your beliefs and vote for that person! please know that whoever you vote for as a third party candidate will not win, you are not writing 'big bird' down which no one counts, and if you abstain altogether your vote is absolutely wasted!

so remember, vote this year. dont do it to vote in a president, do it as a statement to rise against the republocratic voices and yell out "IM HERE AND I HATE YOUR POLITICS". if we all do this, in numbers, and both obama and mccains numbers are materially influenced downwards, our statement is heard, and overtime as things get worse in this country, that statement will collectively become louder as hardship forces more and more people awake.

Use it or Lose it

This is it folks. Dr. Paul said If there is a HUGE turnout for the third parties it sends a message. This is NOT business as usual. Our vote for a third party says we are here and by god we will be heard. The O'cain parties would be thrilled that you don't vote because you are saying tyranny is ok with you. There is no one like Dr. Paul but I know I WILL Vote because I know this is likely to be my last. If you lean toward Libertarian then get in there and work to get a better candidate so if we have another election you will have someone you can truly support. This time if you truly believe in Dr. Paul and trust him what harm is it to vote against the status quo. Peace Patriot

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I know how you feel.

We are supposed to go cast a vote for a candidate that we know, without a doubt, is corrupt to the core? Help me out. Why should anyone go out and vote for a Republican or Democrat? Dr. Paul should be the one we are voting for. I see no point in voting if we can't get a constitutional candidate. Just my take on this. Still, Dr. Paul should throw his support behind one of the 3rd. party candidates if he does not intend to run. To not do this just divides us more. I personally don't think anyone has an ace up their sleeve and after the election, I think it will be the SOS.


I agree with you 100%.


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you will not vote?

AT this point in tme it's about voting against "something". Not about voting for someone or a PARTY. I will vote against any kind of GOV'T HEALTHCARE program or ANY more GOV'T run social programs, that will certainly make more employees for the GOV'T & less people to be on our side or viewipoint.

It's not just about issues, it's about who can you trust

Nearly every politician tells us what we want to hear.

Only candidates that have a consistent record should be trusted to be president.

Ron Paul was that candidate.

When he quit, there were no more viable candidates.

That is a huge blow.

Now...we are supposed to make some sort of statement by voting for a third party candidate. Okay, since the message is pretty much the only reason to vote, then the candidate's poltical views become null and we have to look at which one provides the best medium to deliver the "I don't like the two party system" message.

I have to say, I don't like this. It's a sad day, yet possibly Paul is pointing out the best we can do this election...which is important.

Anyway, Nader has access to ballots in 45 states...more than the others, I believe...thus, he is the best medium to send that message.

If you

would read some of Chuck Baldwin's articles, you would find out that he has often been critical and in disagreement with Jerry Falwell, and just because he says he was a "friend" is not any statement of agreement with his positions.
So, that's one thing right there.

Second, while you may not be a "fan of the 10 commandments", Chuck has come under fire from detractors that haven't seen his writings, because they think he wants to project a "theocracy", and that is NOT the case.
He has emphatically stated, and it can be seen and heard in interviews, that his position is to protect all freedom of religion as expected from the 1st Amendment. He is not promoting a theocracy. But alot of people try to brand him with that, because they are phobic about any Christians. His position is well-vetted on that issue.

In the end, it's all a personal decision, and I'm certain that Chuck doesn't expect people to vote for him who don't agree with his positions or platform.

I don't agree with every single position that ANY candidate has, including Dr. Paul.
But, I can vote for someone who espouses a vast majority of what I do believe, and understand that all people have at least some differences in their points of view.
It is crystal clear that Baldwin has the closest similarities to Dr. Paul's positions, of any candidate in the race.

I think Chuck Baldwin is a great man, BigT

However, I feel the Constitution Party is flawed and do not trust those in its hierarchy.


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well vote for them anyways,

Or the libertarian party. WHO YOU VOTE FOR doesnt matter. ITS ABOUT THE MESSAGE, to tell the republicrats there elections are numbered... We have to end the monopoly, or maybe they will start giving us some descent candidates. (WHAT AM I SMOKING) nevermind...

Freedom may be worth searching for.

Remember, Dont battle the govt with guns(ALONE), Beat them in court, in state legislature, or hire Ron Paul for president.

Freedom may be worth searching for.

I have given up on my fellow Americans, (not DPers) as I will not shed one more calorie trying to awaken anyone else who is not a critical thinker and does not have the inherent feeling that something is wrong.

Thank you Lisa.

I will look further into the other personnel inside the CP.

Kinda like RP being in the Republican Party

I think so, at least.

RP does not agree 100% with the GOP platform, and I am not sure that CB agrees 100% with the CP platform.


good post, but please consider this

The electors are the only people who get to vote for the next president now.
We have to shake things up, and stop thinking we can do it at the ballot box.
The electoral college is the LAWFUL way they make our vote meaningless, that is not even getting into the whole voter fraud issue. However, our electors were chosen in repsone to a primary that was COMPLETELY controlled by the media. If we accept the McBama Selection Show, WE ALL LOSE.
Threaten the power elite with something they actually fear: We will not circulate their money in November.

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Paul4..I will get into this

Paul4..I will get into this assumption of yours for a minute. I was there in AR when the electors were chosen, and in AR they were for Huckabee. That is because our state WENT for Huckabee. (only one delegate for McCain). If our state would go to Baldwin now, I believe those electors must vote for Baldwin. This is separate from the delegates, tho they were all for Huck too.

You forget...we're a

You forget...we're a Republic, not a Democracy. The Electoral College is Constitutional system. At least it's still attended to.

Come On People Wake UP

This is what paul4won is trying to tell us, you've got to understand and if you don't ask him what the heck he's talking about!!! IT'S THAT IMPORTANT!!


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The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. --]* The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
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what makes the difference if

what makes the difference if you vote for Ron Paul a Christian or Baldwin a Christian pastor! you people are out thinking yourselves! if you ask me its very juvenile to come up with that sort of a small reason to not vote for Baldwin.. the only question you have to ask is who would put the country first above self?? Baldwin or the other 3 stooges running?/ the answer is as clear as the nose on your face!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

it's juvenile to you...

it is extremely important to me.

You and your house will worship the Lord, so it's easy to tell me it's no big deal.

Ron Paul has publically embraced people of all religions, and doesnt even like talking about his religious preference. I like that about him. Chuck Baldwin is religious by way of profession, I do not like that about him

baldwin is a

bit more vocal about professing his lord and saviour. That in it's self scares people to death, I find that very sad. Baldwin most likely regrets his affiliation with JF. As he (Baldwin) grew in his personal relationship with the lord , maybe he realized JF and many of the "preachers" of today are more into legalism (like the Pharisees and Huckaboo) and the lord revealed that error. He said "that things just didn't seem right", or something to that affect. God allows you to have your free will, Baldwin knows this and respects your right to believe in god, or not. I believe he is a very honorable man. He waited and hoped that Paul would accept the CP nomination and I believe he said he would "step down" if Paul did decide to go third party (CP). Stop being so afraid of God. Some (many) here seem to believe that if you're a christian, just shut up about it. Wow, so much for freedom. Like Paul said today, check out these third party candidates for yourself. Really seek and listen!!! Read some of Baldwins articles before you just brush him off. Or, because he is as you put it " CB is religious by way of profession."

I will not be voting for President in November

neither will anyone else, but I have been beating the hell out of that dead horse elsewhere.
I fear Baldwin, I am not a Christian and I want a President who will defend my right to not be a Christian. I had 100% confidence that Ron Paul would defend me so, I have NO confidence that Baldwin would. I think I have read him saying he WANTS this to be a "Christian nation" but I am NOT sure that was him.
Can you provide any thing he has written that would assure me he will let me be a voodoo doll poking, chicken sacrificing, moon-dancing, navel fuzz worshipper if that is my choice?

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