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New Outrageous Statement from Bob Barr's campaign

I received this e-mail this morning from my meetup group. Unless Barr himself comes out and seriously rebukes this statement, apologizes, and fires Mike Ferguson, I cannot and will not vote for Barr. Period.:

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This post was removed from myspace, and after reading it, you will understand why. If Barr & team are trying to alienate RP supporters, they are doing a magnificent job. Perfectly acceptable to question Ron's strategy and his announcement today (I don't think it will amount to anything, unless something else is in the works as well), but this post goes way beyond that. The fellow's name is Mike Ferguson, and he apparently is some key Barr staffer.

Also, supposedly Barr offered the LP VP slot to RP, but Ron declined. While that may be frustrating for some, RP apparently feels he can still do some good by keeping his Congressional seat (which I think he would have to give up if he left the Republican Party). I agree that he can. He gets more interviews than ever before. When the Fed is up to something, CNBC or Fox often now turn to Ron for his view.

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Earlier today, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) held a press conference in Washington, D.C. where he said…well, nothing...
He invited Libertarian Party Presidential nominee Bob Barr and independent Presidential candidate Ralph Nader along with the nominees of two small, minor political parties to stand behind him as he encouraged Americans to vote for anyone other than Sens. Barak Obama and John McCain.
Ron Paul wasted the press corps' time with this press conference. It accomplished nothing and displayed a complete lack of leadership on Paul's part.
Of the four invitees, only Bob Barr had the sense to skip the event. He held his own press conference, also in Washington, D.C., later in the day.
Among the things in Ron Paul's statement was a reference to the "principled non-voter", claiming they are sending a message and should start a "League of Non Voters" to impact the nation and government.
So,0Ain other words, Paul stated that people should not vote for Obama or McCain and should vote for a third party nominee…unless they really don't want to.
Allow me to set the good Doctor straight: "principled non voters" count the same, and have the same impact on America, as lazy, apathetic citizens who simply do not care enough to get involved and vote. There is no difference between the wannabe political philosopher who refuses to cast a vote "out of principle" and the lazy citizen who chooses to remain ignorant of the issues, the candidates and his or her government.
Keep in mind that some of Paul's followers have placed his name on the Presidential ballot in two states (Louisiana and Montana). Paul could have kept his name off the ballot in those states by simply requesting that he not be listed as a candidate in the general election, but in an effort in ego, he chose to allow his name to go on the ballot in direct competition with the other candidates he claims to encourage people to consider voting for.
Ron Paul has, again, blown a tremendous opportunity to lead and advance the agenda of the Constitution, and individual liberty. Since he launched his Presidential Exploratory Committee almost two years ago, Ron Paul has repeatedly said this campaign is not about the man (him) but about the message (liberty and the Constitution).
Really, Dr. Paul? Your actions belie your words.
If he were truly serious about this being "about the message" and not the man, he would be making sure that the message is resonating far and wide through and during the Presidential campaign.
The Libertarian Party begged him to accept its nomination and continue his campaign through Election Day. He declined.
The Libertarian Party then nominated the only credible pro-freedom candidate in the Presidential race, former Congressman Bob Barr, but Paul refused to support him, saying he is working for freedom within the Republican Party.
Backing Barr would have taken courage on Paul's part. Instead, today he took a cop-out course of action by encouraging a nondescript "vote third party" message that would water down the impact of the freedom vote. If Americans are serious about sending a message that demands the restoration of our civil liberties, an end to the war in Iraq, a foreign policy that makes sense and solid, realistic economic policies then there is only one option to vote for on November 4th – Bob Barr.
Ron Paul knows that. Instead, he encouraged watering down the vote while maximizing his marketing base for the Campaign for Liberty, his book sales, etc.
After Rep. Paul collected millions in donations from Libertarians, independents and Republ icans during his campaign, he has since:
1) Sold his followers a book
2) Had people travel to (or donate to) a march on Washington D.C. that ultimately proved to be too small to even get noticed, much less have any sort of impact
3) Launched the "Campaign for Liberty" and hit up his followers, again, for donations to this organization that has made no noticeable effort to support liberty-minded candidates
4) Sold thousands of tickets to the "Rally for the Republic" in Minnesota, where he then sold t-shirts, more books, vendor booth space, advertising in the programs and a host of other things.
Ron Paul is now in the Ron Paul business – and business is lucrative.
As painful as it is t o state the obvious: this campaign by the man is no longer about the message, it is about the money – lots of it. Other than in his pocket and in the pocket of his paid staff, where is all the money going?
No one seems to know for sure.
In a time of economic recession, Paul has found a way to keep going back to the financial well of his followers, creating yet another challenge for candidates who are still running for office at all levels and are unable to raise the funds needed to effectively spread the message of liberty and the Constitution.
I was among the first to donate to Dr. Paul's Exploratory committee and I also donated to his Presidential campaign. Once he dropped out of the race, though, I did the responsible thing and got behind the only remaining credible candidate, Bob Barr, who is capable of injecting the message Ron Paul claims to want to spread through Election Day and beyond.
America still needs to hear that message and only Bob Barr is capable of taking the message further down the field. Unfortunately, it is obvious that Ron Paul is more interested in making money off the message than helping spread it through someone else. Maybe he is worried that Bob Barr will publish a book and compete for customers.
Thousands of Americans rushed to join Ron Paul's campaign, myself included. For us, it has always been about the message. We were thrilled to have someone serve as spokesman for the cause of liberty and back a candidate who could leverage his position as a major-party candidate to spread our message to millions through the campaign.
That is why we donated millions of dollars collectively.
Since ending his Presidential campaign, though, Ron Paul has gone from being=0 Athe hope for America to being a major obstacle to the message of freedom and the Constitution.
By contrast, Bob Barr showed that he is not just talking about and rallying for the message of freedom, he is doing something about the need to put liberty and Constitutional issues front and center in the Presidential campaign.
The Barr campaign continues to pick up steam in the national media and in the polls. People are listening and we cannot miss this opportunity to maximize our reach. The message is still getting out – because of Bob Barr.
Dr. Paul, where is the leadership from you? We certainly did not see any today in Washington, D.C.
Do Paul's loyal followers, I ask one simple question: Are you serious about continuing to spread the message of Liberty for Amer ica?
If so, prove it. Go to www.bobbarr2008.com and sign up for our email updates. Then, look for a MeetUp group in your area – if there isn't one already, start one. Also, make a donation to the campaign. In any event, get involved in the Barr campaign because this campaign is actually about the message.




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There is no spoon...

It is amazing to me that so many of you are ready to jump to conclusions and make assumptions with out the facts.
The media has groomed you well.
First the post above is NOT a formal Barr For President or LP statement.
Just as nothing here is a formal C4L or Ron Paul For President statement.
From the email sent to the Barr supporters list written by Russ Verney of the Barr Campaign, Mr. Barr did not attend because the C4L did not get them the full statement that they would be agreeing to, until a few hours prior to the event and not in enough time to make a decision.
Additionally, "After rumors were spread in advance of the news conference that Bob Barr was dropping from the race - just to hype the event - I became even more hesitant to attend. Those tactics were unacceptable and when asked about it, Ron Paul's staff simply smiled and said it would attract the press.

When I was provided a copy of Ron Paul's prepared remarks just hours before the start of the planned news conference it became clear to me that the message Ron Paul intended to deliver was essentially to scatter the votes for the liberty agenda to the four winds.

His remarks not only encouraged anyone listening to support any one of four candidates, he also applauded 'non-voters'. To me encouraging people not to vote is not principled leadership for the Liberty agenda.

I made the decision that attending that news conference was not consistent with Bob Barr's principled leadership for the Liberty agenda.

Once I informed Ron Paul's staff of my decision I was rudely informed that my decision would have permanent ramifications, I was personally threatened and Bob Barr was politically threatened. That's a far cry from principled leadership.

One thing that did occur as a result of yesterday's events is a clear separation of certain factions. Up until now, we have been dealing with two groups, those who want to advance the issues of liberty and those who have been drawn into a cult of personality.

There are those who support a specific politician and then there are those who support the liberty agenda regardless of standard-bearer."

We are not hear to support Ron Paul, this movement is not about making a celebrity of a person, but then again that is all the people of this country seem to be good at anymore.
We need to be about supporting Liberty and the constitution, not a man. For Ron Paul to hold a news conference with an Anti-Liberty Candidate (Ralph Nader) was apalling.
Why is he not leading the Paulites and officially endorsing a candidate?
Baldwin or Barr.
And honestly, what is all the money being spent on?
Where did it all go?
Most of the events and people who worked them did not get paid, they were volunteers.
The Gross of the R4R put on the C4L was astounding. Where is the transparency that Paul wants to see from government.
Dr. Paul is not quite as in charge of this movement as you might think.
And things are not quite as pure as they seem.
If you have learned anything, you should learn how to think independantly of your "leader" and even question him and hold him to the same standards he calls from others.
I still respect the good Doctor. I still believe in his message but he refuses to run for higher office. So now we need to find the person who is willing to take on the challenge, with the education we have recieved.
This is not about Ron Paul.
This is for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, this is about Freedom.

Christin Davies
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For Dr. Paul...

it IS about the message and not him, however for myself (and perhaps many others) it is about the message AND the man. No one else, especially Bob Barr, has talked the talk AND walked the walk for their whole life and is on record as having done so. For me, only Ron Paul has earned my respect and loyalty, no one else deserves to be or should be president and the fact that he is the one delivering any message makes a big difference in whether I believe it or not.
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This is not a Barr campaign statement.

This was a message from someone that happened to be on his staff that was not authorized by the Barr campaign.

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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - Ron Paul http://www.youtube.com/watc

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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...

Reaching out

This seems logic-
Bob Barr is now fighting Paul.
But Ron Paul is now only reaching out to the masses by teaching them how to vote. He is taking the High road.
The Bob Barr-Campaign doesn't seem to understand that, so it's obviously, that Bob Barr wants to stay a fringe candidate, wants to remain in his niche.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/paul.endorsement/...

Barr is just mad cause he looks like a white Erkle

VOTE CHUCK BALDWIN

A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.

Mike Ferguson needs his

Mike Ferguson needs his teeth punched out.

Teeth punched out?

For espousing a not-so-flattering opinion about the Golden Calf? That's a bit harsh. You're supposed to be fighting for freedom, not fighting those with different stances.

I wonder if...

Mike Ferguson thougt he might be able to rally more people behind Barr with this sort of message? If anything, he has done more to alienate possible and existing supporters. I don't think we should really let this sort of outrageous nonsense bother us much. Mike Ferguson has proven that he too is no better than the MSM at delivering propaganda to the American people. Long live the Ron Paul Revolution!

This comes as no surprise

From the people who support that unprincipled troll, Bob Barr. I could never vote for someone whose stand on the issues is always dictated by what is politically most expedient for himself. I know some people may have been fooled by his sudden "enlightenment" on the cause of liberty, but the mask has now been torn off. I think Ron Paul's press conference was lacking. I think he may have failed to convey his strategy effectively. But the strategy is an important one and I hope will gain converts and momentum. I even hope Bob Barr gets more votes because of it. The point is to end the stranglehold of the 2 party system and that is a very worthy goal.

As for this little demi-demon, Mike Ferguson, he doesn't deserve to be taken notice of. His accusations are so wildly malicious and baseless that he should be seen as the small-minded vicious political attack dog that he clearly is.

We who truly support the revolution understand RP's motives and actions. While money is always a corrupting influence, we know better than to believe Dr. Paul is motivated by personal gain. Most of us wish he could give more guidance, but he is only one man, so we will have to look for leadership and hope we can find an effective organizing strategy.

But the Rally was AMAZING!! And I know God will keep our cause in play.

Barr & Staff are neo-cons

they all are out to destroy Ron Paul and his message. This re-affirms that ever since the Bilderbergers issued a statement to stop Ron Paul that they are attacking his campaign and also the money raising because they
can't attack his character it is flawless.

Ron Paul DO NOT ACCEPT anything from Bob Barr & Company, stay in the Congress and continue to battle the Federal Reserve and also our Foreign policy in the chair's your occupy.

"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "

Bravo!

Jimmy Carter?

WOW

Some one got their panties in a bunch.

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nice choice of words!

"He invited Libertarian Party Presidential nominee Bob Barr and independent Presidential candidate Ralph Nader along with the nominees of two small, minor political parties"

Guess he couldn't spell their names!?

The mainstream media spin tactics alive and well in the Barr campaign.

As a Baldwin supporter, and someone who has voted Constitution Party since I was old enough to vote, I completely understand Ron Paul's position and agree with it.
I would have liked him to take the Constitution Party nomination, but I understood his reasons for not doing that as well.
There is no whining from me - I think Ron is doing the right thing.

Sounds to me

like their initial campaign talks were, "OK, Ron Paul has them all together and he has stepped out. Time for us to step in, take his support and build on it." They were so obnoxious about it and so quick about it that it turned us off. Dr. Paul had not said he would not take the nomination if we could still get it for him. We were not ready for anyone to rush in front of us and try to lead us. They got more frustrated because their plan didn't work. Then yesterday, Ferguson may very well have been instrumental in Barr deciding not to attend and again it backfired. I'm sure they have had nothing but heck since then. Ferguson is mad and lashing out. Barr needs to put a clamp on him before Ferguson ruins him single handedly. If Ferguson has Barr's ear, Barr is obviously not disagreeing with Ferguson and shutting him up. Whether Barr disagrees or not with Ferguson, he is not communicating well with his staffer. This type of lashing out is not going to help anyone. This election is frustrating and it has thrown Ferguson way out of kilter.

Ironically,

RP was attempting to include Barr in the group as one of the candidates that could be voted for as a vote against the status quo, and give him a showcase.

And Barr snubbed the invite, apparently thinking he is "too good" to be seen with those people.

I don't think that's it

In the speech Ron Paul admitted that he had not checked with the others about whether they agree with him, so I think a more likely explanation is that given by the Bob Barr campaign - they are looking for serious support consistent with promoting liberty, not some watered down thing that involves all of the 3rd party candidates, regardless of where they stand on the message of liberty.

I think Ron Paul had a good idea, to get these candidates all together to promote the idea that voting for either major party candidate is a vote for the status quo and not change, but he failed to get them on board first.


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Minarchism
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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Minarchism
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Minarchist, You are sounding

Minarchist, You are sounding more and more like Wayne Allyn Root with every comment you make. You actually are hurting the libertarian party. Wait, strike that, the libertarian party is destroying itself. Seems odd to me that it can't see that.

Take your

watered down ideas back to the Barr camp, with the rest of the losers.

RP in the RP business?

Ron Paul is now in the Ron Paul business – and business is lucrative.
As painful as it is to state the obvious: this campaign by the man is no longer about the message, it is about the money – lots of it. Other than in his pocket and in the pocket of his paid staff, where is all the money going?

Sad to say, I think there is some truth in that. Perhaps a lot of truth in that...

This claim was preceded by the following list of undisputed facts:


After Rep. Paul collected millions in donations from Libertarians, independents and Republicans during his campaign, he has since:
1) Sold his followers a book
2) Had people travel to (or donate to) a march on Washington D.C. that ultimately proved to be too small to even get noticed, much less have any sort of impact
3) Launched the "Campaign for Liberty" and hit up his followers, again, for donations to this organization that has made no noticeable effort to support liberty-minded candidates
4) Sold thousands of tickets to the "Rally for the Republic" in Minnesota, where he then sold t-shirts, more books, vendor booth space, advertising in the programs and a host of other things.

What has any of this done to advance liberty or anything for anyone but Ron Paul and his family? I'm just asking...


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Minarchism
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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Minarchism
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Dr. Paul has never received a paid junket from a lobbyist,......

donates back to the United States Treasury a portion of not only his annual congressional budget but his annual salary as well. And he has done this consistently over the last thirty years and some believe he's now in it for the money. RIDICULOUS!! He has and continues to be a most principled man. Look at the whole picture not the parts that suit your current bias towards Ron Paul.

I agree...

wonderful points.

If you really have to ask that,

you're sick.
I'm gonna dispute your "undisputed facts". Just the fact that you call your BS "undisputed facts" says it all about what you are.

1) Sold a helluva lotta books to all kinds of people, getting the message out on the Bestseller List.
2) March on Washington was a public display of the message which was great. The photos that were posted here of the event were wonderful!
3) Is totally ridiculous. I know that Barr was drooling for the money, and he didn't deserve any, but probably got some anyway.
4) R4R was a C4R event that shook the world. Selling t-shirts is now "beyond the pale"?

Minarchist is an undisputed troll

from way back!

This is bad

Ron is able to do a lot of good as a Republican congressman. If he gave up his seat to run as Barr's VP and loses, where will he be? Nowhere. He will not have a voice. Guess who would love that? The neocon criminals. They have been trying to get rid of him for years and this could be a way they would do it.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

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The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

healthy

I don't think he has to give up his seat, he can switch parties, or declare that he is an independent just like a host of other elected officials have. However if he wanted to run again, it would be as an independent which would be much harder to win.

Yes

and until our voting system is revamped, anyone running against the twins is going to lose.

If we blamed Ron Paul for every word his "supporters" write...

It is irrational to run around looking for "insults" to Ron Paul and becoming dramatic about them. It is pointless to blame Bob Barr when it is obvious that his official position is that he supports the effort (as Nader indicated) and he supports and respects Ron Paul's candidacy (as indicated by his action in asking him to run on the ticket and by his words in his letter to Ron Paul).

The difference between them right now is that Ron Paul has changed his campaign to one aimed at opening up the process for voters. The other alternate candidates are willing to join him because they are running educational campaigns.

Bob Barr has said from the beginning that he is running to win. Although that may stir up a tempest in a teapot here, out there in the real world he may have a valid point (or not). It's not a big deal; it's just a different approach.

Bob Barr is not the enemy. He is on our side. You don't have to vote for him, but don't waste your time turning him into an ogre and forgetting about the real enemies: ignorance, greed and authoritarian power grabbers.

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No here is what you have on the Daily Paul

You have some Constitution Party folks just waiting to pounce for their candidate Chuck Baldwin, who will go nowhere even after the so called Barr slap to Ron Paul, which there wasn't one. They are using this to promote their candidate, already with a money bomb. Ha ha ha - ass kissing all the way.

According to the Libertarian website (NOT Barr's) Barr NEVER promised to attend the meeting, and the information that Barr requested from the C4L never was received until 3am the day of the Press Conference.

The Press Conference was for what? To tell everyone vote for who you want to it doesn't matter, just don't vote for McCain - WTF everyone already new that, do they think we are stupid and were going to vote for McCain?

If Barr didn't promise to go, then he did no wrong.

Its obvious the Barr campaign knew many Paul supporters would be upset with his decision not to attend, but it just shows that Barr is not pandering to Paul supporters for their votes, like some other candidates.

pandering? really?

Let me see if I have this straight... Reaching out to people who already agree with your supposed principles is pandering? Ugh. The Ron Paul camp is the largest group of libertarians in America by about a light year. If Bob Barr isn't smart enough to understand that, then he is the dumbest LP candidate I've ever seen. I'd been on the fence until recently about choosing between Barr and Baldwin (in VA, both will be on the ballot). This sways me strongly in Baldwin's direction, that's for certain.

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