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What's lost in this Paul/Barr cat fight

Wow, what a difference a day makes. One press conference showing the bad political skills of BOTH Ron Paul and Bob Barr, and look what happens to this place.

Lets look at this objectively. To me, most people on this site sound like fools they way you have been attacking Bob Barr all along. You sound EXACTLY the same as the masses that are defending McSame over Obamba, or the other side of the coin, the ones who want Obomba over McSame. To all of us, we look at them and laugh saying rightfully so, they are both the same! Well the truth is, they could look at us and say the same about Barr and Paul. They are far more similar than different and its not just of late, Barr has always been know to be good on privacy issues, leaving aside his bad political move on the PATRIOT Act, which he originally opposed but voted for it to help weaken it.

Both of these men have made some bad political moves. Lets look at some of Pauls' first. The New Hampshire Primary. Do I really even need to say anything about it? I was up there - I took time off from my life to help him win that - and I saw a mess of an operation up there. I can remember this and other boards and email lists being filled back then with all the, "Lew Moore is a traitor" talk and whatnot. Paul's campaign made a severe and uncorrectable political decision to not blast that state with money that the campaign had! He made other blunders too, but none was bigger than his outright refusal to say FU to the Repugnats and their hopelessly corrupt party. As Barr pointed out yesterday, Paul himself said that there is no hope to that party in 1987. Paul did so poorly in 1988 that he changed his mind on that and went back to the Repungants. To most political people, he was seen as invisible in Congress, which must be true as how many of you never heard of him until one or two years ago?

Paul could have and should have done this year what he was unable to do in 1988, start a third party run with a head start. Not a good head start, but an unbelievably good head start!

Now his latest bad political move, trying to have it both ways. He wants to stay with the Repugnants, but want people to say FU to them. To do that he has to align with anti-liberty candidates so he promotes the idea of opening up the process. I personally think this is a good idea in theory, but it doesn't work when he is staying with the Rs. To be effective it would have to have been delivered with a speech that he's going Independent in Congress - he won't do that. I 100% believe he's be more effective in Congress that way and get more TV time because of it to promote the ideas that matter.

Now as for Barr, his move yesterday was a calculated one but not very well though out. He should have shown up as he should have know that there are the Baldwin people out there looking to take him out more then the McSame staff. The only way they know how to promote Baldwin is to attack Barr, instead of going after McSame like Barr is. The talk on this site alone on how Barr's a neo-con plant... its just so laughable. Yeah well tell that to us in PA when you see how we could loose our statewide candidates as the Repugnants are suing to have Barr taken off the ballot.

Now I see the latest email coming from people on both sides on this cat fight. Barr's people are not playing this out in smart way at all. They are acting like the Paul people did after the New Hampshire failure. I'm past the point of even caring who is right or wrong in this latest spat.

Maybe its just impossible to run a bigger nationwide campaign with decent campaign people. As for me, I'm turned off to both campaigns from this. I'm going to try again and ask for my 3k of donation back to Paul's campaign (made between my wife and me), as they have donated 25k to the repugnants and I want no part of that. (to date no one from his campaign has called me back) As for Barr, I'll vote for him as he is a good choice, as I would still for Paul if he were on the ballot.

Bottom line to both of them, its their political moves that are bad, not their political beliefs.

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Cat fight?

I must have missed the 'cat fight'. I'm trying to imagine RP being 'catty'....

Actually, it's a pretty funny picture in my head.

If by cat-fight you mean Barr snubbing Paul at the press conference when Paul took it upon himself to announce he would not endorse either party's candidate but instead attempted to drive votes to the third party candidates like Nader, Baldwin, Barr... oh wait... Bob dissed us!

What an asinine move on Barr's part. At this juncture when the third party candidates are showing solidarity and using the spotlight provided, Barr decides to sit this one out.

To the many who don't know Barr from a hole in the wall, they now have this image of a man who wouldn't even attend a news conference for third party candidates which received national attention.

I don't know the rationale for his decision. All I know is if I had ever given thought to supporting him, it's gone now. The millions of CNN viewers who watched Nader & Paul on national TV will remember the image when they step into the booth in November.

They won't remember Bob Barr.

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I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

well said.

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Well said.

Bob Barr will be on CNN in a

Bob Barr will be on CNN in a few minutes, so it seems that he's not dead yet. Maybe he should go on there and attack Baldwin, yeah that will win us up some cool liberty. Actually my bet is he's focus on going after McSame, but that's only because he's a neo-con plant and the plot that he's using it so complex only his keen CIA training could have come up with it.

You got it about right, I would say

The man (I use the term loosely) is a mole and an establishment plant --- I have no doubt his mission (yes, mission) was to 1) destroy the Libertarian Party, and 2) deflect support from Ron Paul. And he's been pretty successful on both counts.

Yeah it would be cool if

Yeah it would be cool if only we could outsmart his CIA trained brain and figure out how getting on TV more than any other LP candidate has ever dreamed of saying that the Rs and Ds are corrupt and that only the LP is interested in liberty, is going to be used to get McSame to win. I figure it must have something to do with the sound waves then he emits from his mustache that brought down building 7 of the WTC. Earlier this year he used his special issue CIA glasses to hypnotize LP members into voting for him.

Maybe its not that complex, actually maybe its very simple. Maybe its just that they will use him as an example to the good old boys to show that if anyone thinks they can ever "see the light of liberty" and jump ship. They can let the Ron Paul people go and eat their own young.

Sometimes, people can be their own worse enemy can't that. Lets just make sure we stop Barr before he encourages more R's to jump ship.

He wasn't the strongest LP

He wasn't the strongest LP candidate. He used a coalition with Root to overcome the most popular candidate...so he didn't fool a good chunk of Libertarians.

Second, you don't need a CIA trained brain to get on to the mainstream media easily you snarky weasel. You just have to be a controllable puppet of the elite establishment and they'll put you on all day. They wouldn't care if there was three parties as long as they can control all three. So you completely miss the point. Barr is on because he is part of the elite establishment's puppet class. They have nothing to lose by putting their Barr Puppet Sock up as well...it is all about hijacking the people's message of Liberty and the Constitution.

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The only people "jumping ship" for Barr

are those who are abandoning his sinking garbage scow.

You can dream on, but this CIA agent and neocon mole is never, ever going to be anything but a ball and chain, if not a timebomb, for the liberty movement.

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You ?

Let me see if I get this right, YOU, are informing us of what Ron Paul should have and should not have done as you critisize him?

Ah, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Hey I know anyone can Monday

Hey I know anyone can Monday morning Quarterback, and I am not out here claiming to be the great wizard of getting elected. I am observing what I have observed in the hope that we can all learn from this. If you refuse to take off your blinders to look at something like this from all sides, you will never ever learn anything. I supporter Paul and he made mistakes. The worship of this man over and above his ideas scares me something on this site. He's just one guy, he's not perfect nor are any of us. He is someone I believe would be a great President, but he's far from being infallible.

Only God

Only God is perfect and infallible. Nobody said anything about Ron being prefect as you suggest. Nobody said they worship Ron.
I certainly did not and do not!
You are talking like a lawyer!
That tells me much!
Go look in the mirror and tell yourself your faults and correct them. If you will listen to yourself in the mirror, you will then be considered wise.
Do this today, not tomorrow!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

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"Nobody said anything about

"Nobody said anything about Ron being prefect as you suggest. Nobody said they worship Ron."

That's not true. There are a lot of people on this site who say things such as, "Its Ron Paul or no one" and refuse to consider anyone else politically. Saying a simple line such as "Ron Paul screwed something up" gets you sent to the gulag on here, there are those that want this site to be all about Paul worship and nothing more. I only wonder how long it will be until I'm labeled a troll, I figure it should be coming soon. I honestly can't understand how you do not see that type of thing on here.

"There are a lot of people

"There are a lot of people on this site who say things such as, "Its Ron Paul or no one" and refuse to consider anyone else politically."

Do you not believe that it is their right to vote as they choose? If Barr or anyone else was worth voting for in those people's opinions...then they would vote for them.

After what Barr did yesterday...that only leaves me with Ron Paul write-in, Chuck Baldwin, or no vote. I will choose Chuck Baldwin because I align with him for the most part. Some people though don't like anyone else...leave them to their conscience and quit trying to tell them they cannot make their own decision.

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Again Let Me Say

There are always those who will vote RP only and not change their mind and that is OK too.
I myself said just a few weeks back that I will not vote for anyone but Ron Paul and therefore I will write him in. Now, after weighing the matter more closely, I see in a different light and think it best to vote 3rd party to help bring an end to the 2 party monopoly. I change my mind for the better I believe.
What a country!

Nobody said anything about Ron being prefect as you suggest. Nobody said they worship Ron.

You should choose your words more carefully.

And don't worry bout' anybody calling you names, nobody is going to call you anything. If they do, ignore them. We all have said things here that we regret later. I know I sure have.

You're just fine and maybe a bit upset like many of us, but we have to keep moving forward best we can for our cause right?

Peace!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

There is no cat fight...

What is see is a couple of 'Feline Leukemia infected kittens with irritating urinary tract infections'(Barr Shills) meowing in an annoying fashion distracting the r3VOLution Lion. The irritating mongrel kittens are then annoyed when the Lion keeps batting them and their lies away like turd eating flies.

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"Bush showed incredible leadership"

Barr’s campaign manager Russ Verney said this in today’s Barr Campaign Update:

“In times of crisis, strength in leadership requires boldness of character, clear direction and firm resolve. As we witnessed after the attacks of September 11th, President George W. Bush showed incredible leadership as he stood atop a fire truck amidst the rubble of the twin towers to rally America.”

http://campaign.blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/09/11/principled-l...

Disappointed in Barr response

The Barr campaign could have embraced taking away MANY votes from Obama and McCain instead of fearing losing a FEW votes to Nader. McCain and Obama are obviously bigger threats.

Even if 100% of Paul's 1.2 million supporters go to Nader and 'non-voters' (VERY unlikely if Barr would have simply attended), Barr winds up with a better shot at getting in debates as Barr's percentage calculates higher with less support for McCain and Obama.

And Ron Paul was able to get Nader to sign a statement of agreement regarding 4 issues important to the message of Liberty. That is a major victory the Libertarian party should have celebrated.

You don't get it

If Ron Paul had started out running as a Libertarian, please tell me exactly which nationally televised debates he would have been in.

Please tell me how Ron Paul would have called out Guiliani, Romney, and McCain before millions, if he had been a Libertarian candidate.

I eagerly await your answer.

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I never said that. I said

I never said that. I said once it was obvious (after NH) he was already a known person in the media, a billion times more well know then Badnarik was! Hell, Badnarik was an unknown to most LP members at that point, and he was running for the nomination. That is how this could have been done, but Paul foolishly think the Rs can be reformed. Personally I think if he's so convinced that he has to reform one of the old parties, he should join the D's and try to reform them as that party has more decent (although just as politically wrong) human beings in it. The Repugnants are nothing but hypocrites that care about power for themselves to the point where they do not care if you or I died while having our neck under one of their storm troopers boots. Anyone who thinks that the Rs can be reformed nationwide is delusional. And yes, that includes Paul. He is just plain outright wrong - there is zero, none zilch zip nada hope that the Rs will ever care about liberty. He should have used them to launch his campaign and then said FU to them like they deserve and said 'I'm going Independent as I care about liberty." That would have been something amazing, but he gave that up in a foolish attempt to reform the Rs. We seen that go over so well at that last big convention the R's had last week. Yeah real progress was made there

I didn't even bother to read past the title

Barr is a Neocon who hung himself because evil always turns on itself in the end.

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Yeah, never take a chance to

Yeah, never take a chance to read anything that might say something you don't agree with!

You know what you need to do, make sure you send some articles and DVDs about RP to the McSame supporters, so they can make sure they don't look at them. That will win us some liberty.

As far as I'm concerned

the only thing lost was the dead wood.

a question about this article

"Let Freedom Ring!"
I didn't quite understand. WHO made a $25 k donation to the republicans?
and WHY?

"Let Freedom Ring!"

Here it is, and as always,

Here it is, and as always, you should look at it yourself and not take some posters word for it (even if it come from a nice guy like me! lol) :
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M7/C00432914/B_PAYEE_C004...

The list is in alphabetical order and if you look under N you see, "National Republican Congressional Committee" $25,000

I have heard all kind of people defend it, I'm beginning to think they're probably the same one that blast Barr for being a neo-con plant. They are the personality cult people, and its on RP or no one to them.

As for this donation and his actions, RP thinks the Repugnants can be saved, well he can think that all he wants, but he's not going to use my donation to try and do it!

I Knew This

I remember that it made the MSM at the time, because it was the first time ever that he donated to the RNC. He is a Republican and had all that money, so I didn't think it was a big deal then and don't think it is one now. This is old, old news, maybe even late '07 early '08.

There is a difference

There is a difference between the RNC and NRCC. He gave to the NRCC and NOT the RNC. Paul is a member of congress and it would make sense that he would be directly involved in the NRCC which is completely focused on electing conservatives to congress. Now one could argue that we get neocons into congress...sure. This is the group that he deals with every day though. This is the venue in which he is trying to make inroads and change. He tries to sway these people all of the time and is a member.

If he had given to the RNC I would be way more disappointed then his giving to the NRCC.

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I did not know this

I feel sick........

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That is how I felt when I

That is how I felt when I first found out about it, and to me the saddest part of it is how people defend it. Look at the one post on how its old news. How many people who defend this donation will endlessly rant about how Barr voted for the PATRIOT Act. This is worse as this was OUR money Paul's campaign gave to help this anti-liberty assclowns this year, not 6 years ago. Paul is just wrong those people are not, nor will they ever be interested as a group in liberty. The best he can hope for is to win over one or two of them. Then when they see the light, you can tear them apart like you do to Barr. Yeah that'd be cool!

What "Catfight?"

Ron Paul urging people to vote for non-major-party candidates is a "catfight?"

What kind of gobbledygook is this? I fail to see your point, if any.

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