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A tale of 9/11 TRUTH

On the anniversary of the tragedy that was 9/11 I would like to explain why this weighs so heavy on me.

The day was terrifying, indeed, though I have not come to know how much so until this past year.

I was told to look into it by a few really intelligent people I had met through working on the Paul campaign. At first I thought it was indeed the lunatic fringe infringing on a the just cause of the Paul campaign. It wasn’t. It was simply the truth seekers who had gone farther than I. I say truth emphatically because that’s what the movement wants above all else: Truth. The movement does not claim to know everything that transpired that day, though it does postulate. The truth we do know is that we have been lied to.

We have been lied to and what have the results been? The civil rights destroyer that is the patriot act, a massive shift of power to the worst president this country has ever known, a debt so massive it makes honest accountants(hah) scream bloody murder, and endless war in multiple countries around the globe. All of this has been done under the guise of fighting terrorism. Laughable really, because if this is what we have come to as a country, we have already lost that war by succumbing to so much fear and so many injustices. The war on terror is fought within each of us, in our hearts and minds, not in Afghanistan, Iraq or the Middle East. Catch any of the anti-terrorist measures seen at each of the conventions? "Terrorists" are now those marching for peace. Women attempting to give flowers to police officers were pepper sprayed. "Terrorists" are now the people legitimate questions and grievances. Hundreds arrested without proper charges or just cause. The "War on Terror" is the war on you.

Those are just the raw results of that day.

The day itself, is what truly causes bad dreams.

At the very minimum there are far too many unanswered questions. The families of the victims and the first responders have not had a great number addressed. So here are a few pertinent ones, if you care to ask yourselves.

Scientifically:

How do buildings fall at free fall speed through the path of most resistance?

How did building number 7 (the one never hit by a plane) fall in the same way?

How were steel beams, weighing tons, ejected laterally from the building with so much force that they were embedded into other buildings?

Speculatively:

How did NORAD have a 100% interception rate prior to 9/11 and then fail four times in one day?

Why does the government refuse, even under the Freedom of Information Act, to release the tapes of the gas station and hotel that captured the Pentagon attack citing "National Security" as their only reason?

Why has Osama bin Laden not been formally charged by the Department of Justice for the attacks of 9/11 but has for others?

Where did the plane in Shanksville disappear to? The Pentagon?

My personal conclusions aside, these are questions that need answering. They need answering because many more have died since and because of that day. Iraq citizens, first responders, and soldiers have died in our supposed solution to that day. They deserve the truth. We deserve the truth.



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9/11 truth

Great post, great, intelligent questions.

MrTom

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today of all days, we need to remember

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

I thought I posted this, maybe it got pulled?

I was compelled to this action today. I am "outed" as a truther to my entire state. I sent this to our entire delegation and all the Ron Paul people I could. It is addressed to our State Chair.
Norm,
From time to time, a Ron Paul supporter has asked my advice on what actions to take. I have pretty consistently gone with “follow your heart.” I find that is the only answer I have for your offer to write the RNC. If you believe that is the proper way to address the issues facing the GOP, follow your heart.

I bear a heavy burden today. My family sacrificed a son to the “war on terror.” He signed up on 9-11, I think the year was 2004. He was a former firefighter, and born the same year as my son. He died in Iraq, blown apart in his unarmored Humvee. My family is now hopelessly torn apart, for many of them cannot bear the truth of why he really died. I understand their pain and I do not make any attempt to awaken them. But Tristan haunts my dreams; I have no way of every knowing if he learned the truth before he died. The knowledge that fine young men like him now awaken in Iraq with a weapon in their hand, and choose to point the weapon at themselves weighs on my heart. For their sake, the people in power must wake up.

Someone dredged a phrase up that I seem to recall from the sixties, although I was very young then. “Telling truth to power.” That appears to be my fate. Whether “power” listens or acts is beyond my control. I have been roundly criticized for “splitting our movement” and I am astonished by it. I have not asked anyone to do anything, except tell me whether or not they told Jim Risch they had spoken to me. I have now heard back from everyone but Phil Hart, and no one thus far has backed up the claim. I will tell that to anyone who will listen. Jim Risch lied, his campaign manager lied to try to make it better, and you attempt to paint Mark and I as having shirked our voting responsibilities rather than actually clear the matter up. If we see the events on the floor “differently” I would be curious what those differences might be, but it really does not matter. Mark and I know what was in our hearts, your motives become more evident every day.

I find it interesting that the few delegates who responded to my email all took the same tack. I asked people if they felt what took place was right; if we had served the duty owed to our constituents. They all replied that the rules had been followed. It does answer my question with more detail than I actually sought: As long as the rules defend a desired outcome, they are preferred over doing what is right. The voters were disenfranchised by the antics that night, whether rules were broken or not. What I seek is meaningful dialog, what I got feels a bit like “neener, neener, neener, we followed the rules.” I would like to point out that in Nevada, when the rules favored the Ron Paul delegates, brute force was preferred over the rules.

I seek a way to get the real, vitally important issues that lay before our nation brought in to the discussion by our candidates. I think it is fair to say I have tried. I do not wish to “split” the party, although I find myself increasingly dismayed with what the party will do for an appearance of unity, and what the party won’t do in search of actual unity. I desire a genuine educational effort by the party to bring our voters back into the process, to help empower them; the party shows no interest in representing the concerns of their voters, or even the voters themselves in a genuine manner.

So I guess the best thing I can do is follow my heart, which resonates with that old saying “telling truth to power.” You are in a position of power, I have your ear at some level, I am telling you the truth. After extensive research, I believe there is approximately an 85% chance that George Bush and Dick Cheney are war criminals. I believe there is about a 90% chance they knew about 9-11 in advance and hindered the Air Force defense system, and about a 65% chance one or both of them were complicit. I am 100% certain taxpayer dollars were spent to investigate, and the investigation failed to answer my questions to my satisfaction. I have seen a great deal of evidence supporting the “truthers” and I have seen the President and Vice President use executive privilege to avoid testifying under oath.

These men are at the head of our party and our nation. To continue to defend their actions as a party is causing a large rift, not Ron Paul or me. Many of us would like to see the party return to its platform, but there is a very large elephant in the room that can no longer be ignored. Those of us who believe the war was illegally begun under false pretenses cannot support its continuation. Those of you who believe there is a “terrorist” at every corner just waiting to jump out are grateful for the “security” the government gives you. Those of us who believe that terror is a tactic employed by evil men in places of power do not want the illusion of security, we want our Constitutional liberties restored.

I ask you again to call a meeting, we need a genuine dialog. There are two conversations going on in this party, pretending you have unity because you railroaded the Ron Paul delegates will not improve the situation. And at least half the people specifically said they were not happy with the meeting, and that they felt pressured.

In loving memory of Tristan Smith, and with deepest regrets to the brave men and women who feel they must kill themselves when they come to learn the truth. Their blood is on the hands of those in power that refuse to hear the truth.

Claire

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

Just beautiful, Claire. I

Just beautiful, Claire. I was quite moved by this post, and agree completely. Thank you!

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Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

Things look different now that you are awake....

Great to see you up!

In Christ,
Dave

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Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave

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"a few really intelligent people"

that was my favorite line in your post!
i, for one can honestly say that i have NEVER been aggressively confronted by, or witnessed a 911truther acting the likes of those described by the trollers and whiners around here.
the best truth is that which we seek and find on our own... with a little nudge from our friends.

Please help me convince Michael to create a seperate forum

topic devoted solely to 911.
I am requesting that all future 911 posts be placed on a new and separate 911 forum. This new forum will be for people who have investigated 911 and yet still have unanswered questions. The purpose of the 911 forum will not be to convince readers of any unofficial ‘truths’ but rather to systematically identify specific events which occurred before, during, and after September 11, 2001. After detailing the happenings of an event, the initiating poster should come up with a list of accountable persons involved with that event. Others having more information can add to the original post, thus helping to build a solid case. Note: All information submitted for each single event, must be documented and verifiable. This will ensure a quality, certified foundation for (1) a future Congressional investigation on accountability involving many, if not all, events of 911 and/or (2) Grand Jury Formation. It is time to move forward with the preponderance of evidence gathered since 911, either overlooked, ignored, or misinterpreted by the 911 commission, and present these findings to seek accountability/indictments for those involved.
This will help to clear the general forum for real debate issues and give the 911 issue a path forward. See my original post: Michael: A special request....

Love (consciousness) is in everything including the void.

"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner

You know, I was one of those

You know, I disagree for the following reasons: I was one of those people who thought "truthers" were fringe lunatics, too. It was because of reading a discussion about 9/11 theories on a forum like this one that my interest was peaked enough to follow some of the links etc. and to start investigating for myself. I'm not saying this is your motivation, but I think for some here at the D.P., the reason they cry foul about discussing 9/11 on this forum is that they are part of the effort to suppress the truth. They realize that this website is a powerful force which has the potential to educate untold numbers of people, and that is the very thing that they don't want. So, I ask you to be tolerant of 9/11 discussions here. Even if just a few people wake up and start asking questions because of what we do here, it will have been worth it. ~Peace~

Doc Holladay
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Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

I AGREE TOTALLY

As a person who has followed not only RP but also the 9/11 since day one, I fully back a separate forum listing for those that wish to banter back and forth on 9/11 related issues. Since it keeps coming up in the forefront, its obvious that people are either , asking questions, answering questions or wanting to put political pressure on a new investigation to help both camps.

A dedicated forum topic would be much appreciated.

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Good post.

JM
It seems the truth is slowly seeping out.

JM

I'm right there with you Spankz.

I didn't know about 9/11 until after I became a Ron Paul supporter. My eyes have been opened to SO MUCH in the last year and a half. And yes, we all deserve the answers to these questions. Will we ever get them?? I don't know.

too many

unanswered questions still out there...and then there is the problem of our lying eyes..

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z0r

seriously

lookin for feedback.

Very good post on the topic.

Very good post on the topic.

I'll make one recommendation for a change though. The gas station camera, along with a couple others, were released and show nothing. That doesn't negate the main point you were trying to make, that there were a number of cameras in the area pointed in that direction that are hidden (86 total) but the point should be reworded. I suspect that you got that information from a source made more than a year ago.

You could also add the evidence of molten metal in the scientific questions area.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero

"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero

Thanks, although

I thought the only video of the crash that was ever released were the 7 frames of terrible obviously edited trash.

When did they release the gas station?

About a year ago they

About a year ago they released a few cameras, like the one from the gas station, that showed absolutely nothing. The few frames we are so accustomed to remain the only images of the attack released.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero

"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero

You've allowed innuendo to take root as fact.

You've allowed innuendo to take root as fact.

No one will ever know the whole story. That much is TRUE.

Waste as much as your life on the issue as you feel comfortable with, it is your life. Just don't feel entitled to impose on my life.

Do you know what the definition of innuendo is?

Also why will we never know the whole story?

Why do you feel its a waste?

You didnt offer anything of substance in your post.

and by his fruits, you know him

He is either 1. paid to come here and spread doubt and dissension (possible, but not really that likely, because #2 is so much easier and less expensive) or 2. Still psychologically incapapble of conceiving the truth. There was an element at work that day that has yet to be fully appreciated: Full scale mass hypnosis was employed, that is why so many of us feel we "woke up." We did. Many others are still literally hypnotized, and truly beyond rational thought on this topic. It is not impossible to overcome, but TERRIBLY frustrating for us. How many of us have people who KNOW us, and KNOW we are some of the smartest people we know, yet write us off on this topic? I don't offer a quick solution, but correct identification of the problem is a vital step toward a solution.
I have said it before, I will say it again and now that the RNC is over, perhaps some of you will have time to try it. There are hypnosis courses on line for free. Study it. You do not have to ever hypnotize anyone, but we need to understand it.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

The frustration is so real

Feeling like you are walking through the matrix isnt enjoyable.

it is the matirx, Neo

It is a shadow world. The first few weeks after waking I could hardly function, I wanted to run up to every person I saw and literally grab them by the shoulders and shake them.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.