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Chuck Baldwin - Libertarian?

Chuck Baldwin is not a Libertarian.

"Gambling promotes an increase in crime, destruction of family values, and a decline in the moral fiber of our country."

"BUSH PROMOTING HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA: DO CONSERVATIVES CARE?"

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Ron Paul said that

Ron Paul said that conservatism is libertarianism!

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

what's your point?

who cares if he adopts the 'libertarian' label or not. you're telling me you disagree w/ his message: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/63680 ???? then you disagree w/ RP's as well. the whole point of RP's message of voting for a 3rd party candidate was that the only way to break the stranglehold of the 2 party system is for voters to start voting for principle, NOT labels.

'Would you be free men or slaves?'
Restore the Republic.

'Would you be free men or slaves?'
Restore the Republic.

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Don't fall for the 1 Issue Debate

Don't get frustrated with your small issues getting in the way of the big picture!

WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMEN & SENATORS!

Dear Senator Dole, Richard Burr and Virginia Foxx:

I am seriously against using my tax dollars and/or any lines of credit or loans to fund any and all bailouts to any bank or investment company, regardless of size. It is not the responsibility of the government to buy out a failed business and to jeopardize our future generations with spending of this nature. I also demand that the Federal Prosecutors' office go after these companies for running away with huge bonuses when they put the nation's economy at risk. They should be tried and jailed as they are more a threat than any terrorist in some cave in Afganistan.

I also demand that you immediately look into the legality of the Federal Reserve system and see if it still has our best interests at heart, I think you'll find it does not. I demand sound currency and a constitutionally sound government. That is the only way it will protect the true purchasing power of the nation.

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A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin

That's right.

He is not a member of the Libertarian party, he is a member of the Constitution party.

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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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Go cry somewhere else you

Go cry somewhere else you sore loser. Ron Paul endorsed Baldwin. Do you think he would do that if he felt that Baldwin would not obey the Constitution?

Baldwin is constitutionalist

A president's job is not a pastor's job.
Baldwin knows that.
That has to be assumed because he is an intellectual (Dr.) with theological DEGREE, if I am right - in contrast, for instance, to Huckabee. So he wouldn't lead the States like a theocracy though he is even a BAPTIST pastor.
He knows the difference, because he underlines his CONSTITUTIONAL position by being a candidate for the CP.

Votethirdparty '08!

Chuck Baldwin

would have been a member (and VP candidate?) of the LP if he was a Libertarian. He is very much a libertarian though. You do not have to agree with everything. You do not have to be on the top of the Nolan chart to be a libertarian. Paul, Barr and Baldwin are all libertarians. I am sure Dr. Paul feels the same as Baldwin about gambling, destruction of family life and decline in moral fibre, but that does not means he would use the Federal govt. power to ban it. Baldwin supports a federaLISTIC, NOT federal handling of these issues as well, I think.

In my opinion, Baldwin may

In my opinion, Baldwin may not be a libertarian, but he's more libertarian than Bob Barr.

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

Absolutely, Chuck Baldwin is not a libertarian.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't vote for him if you are. If you feel like you agree with him on the balance of issues, then he's who you should vote for.

I would not vote for him. Because I have love for all americans, even if they are gay (and many of my friends are gay), and Chuck's stance on those issues is a little worrisome for me. Okay this is a gross simplification, but I feel like there are two types of christians, I call them "constantine" christians and "augustine" christians -- the former willing to use the long arm of the state, force, and violence to impose christian moralities; the other intending to spread the good word by setting good examples. Some of my most cherished friends (those to whom I go to for spiritual advice) are evangelical christians who fall into the latter category. Sadly, when it comes to the polls they vote for constantine christians.

My personal opinion of Baldwin is that he is mostly "augustine" but crosses over to "constantine" from time to time, on the balance he's a great candidate, and ultimately a better candidate than any of the others in the field.

But I also cannot vote for him, since I am in California, so my point is moot. Sadly I also cannot encourage my evangelical friends to vote for him, either, since they all also live in California.

The other night I met a marine noncom who's writing in Ron Paul. My father (living in Hawai`i, another state without Baldwin on the ballot) would probably align much closer to Baldwin on many issues, perhaps, except for christianity, and he finally flipped over tonight and said he would write in Ron Paul in November. It took a lot of courage for him to admit this to me but his turning point was when he realized that FNMA and FHLMC CEOs both were huge contributors to Obama.

Our best chances are to get Ron Paul to be speaker of the house -- that way he's two heartbeats from the presidency.

On ballot in California

Chuck Baldwin is on the ballot in California under the American Independent party, which is an affiliate of the Constitution Party.

very good response

Yup, Baldwin and others need to differentiate between gays born that way and those that are not born. Dr. Paul has pointed out to this during his interview with John Stossel and he definitely differs on this from Baldwin and others.

I love your distinction between constantine and augustine christians. Dr. Paul is definitely a consequent augustine christian.
I also agree with you in your assessment, that the object should be to get Dr. Paul elected speaker of the house - he would have true bi-partisan support and respect - and he can lead the revolution in 2010.

IMHO it would be the best to achieve this by an Obama, not McCain win. Obama will face all the financial turmoil and with the wrong solutions, and disappointment on civil liberties and the war, there will be enough resentment to lead to a GOP retake of congress and senate in 2010. This will also limit the damage he can do and then in 2010 we can elect Gary Johnson as GOP nominee and president.

To those who don't like Baldwin because he's a Christian,

Maybe you don't really like Ron Paul. This is from the Ron Paul Library. http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=916

"It’s not like I’m just trying to win and get elected. I’m trying to change the course of history." ~Ron Paul

Argh!

Nobody.

Has.

Said.

They.

Don't.

Like.

Baldwin.

Because.

Of.

His.

Christianity!

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you did many times! I am

you did many times!

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Christo-Fascists

the Christo-fascists DID vote for Huckabee. The freedom-loving Christians support Paul and Baldwin.

Maybe we should not have laws against murder, rape, and theft because those things are sins according to Christianity - and you want no part of Christian principles.

*sigh*

Moses (assuming he actually existed) was not the first person to decide those were bad things.

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double sigghhhh please do

double sigghhhh
please do not comment on things you know nothing about!

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

So?

Does it matter who was the first person to decide what things were right or wrong?

How do we determine right from wrong? Why is rape wrong? Maybe it's someone's sexual orientation and we'd be violating his civil liberties to make rape illegal.

You seemed to be implying

You seemed to be implying that without Christianity we'd have none of those laws. If not, then forget it.

As to this post, rape cannot be a "sexual orientation." Rape is an act of violence; it can be committed against anyone. Sexual orientation is attraction to one sex or another -- or both. And no, questions of morality do not apply there. There is nothing "wrong" with homosexuality, et al. Anyone who wants to suggest there is, will need to explain why it is "wrong" in other animals.

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stupid is as stupid does....

stupid is as stupid does.... phoobar.. please go vote for obama!

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

people are not born sex

people are not born sex perverts. the studies that said that were biased unscientific and designed from the start to have that outcome. sex perverts are mentally sick. they are a threat to the family . the family is a foundation of our culture. the reason why the msm and ( i cant beleive it) people in this forum promotes the furtherance of this sexual REVOLUTION. (I.E. WORKERS REVOLUTION, CULTURAL REVOLUTION ,SEE ANY COMMUNIST REVOLUTION) is they are trying to destroy our culture by severing the viniciculum (the passing of culture of religion morality etc from parents to children) and set up the n.w.o. de-huminization. get a mind of your own quit waving a banner for the msm. go to henry makows excellent website savethemales.com to find out more about how the nwo is using feminism and sex perverts to do this. This has been talked about openly in academic literature for 100 years and no one hardly ever sees it. you can read it on his site.

Maybe YOU Are an Animal

Animals don't have morality, humans do. Murder and cannibalism are not immoral in the animal kingdom - and several animals procreate by rape. And you are equating us with animals and our morality with their behavior?

Who says an act of violence is wrong? Isn't self-defense an act of violence? How about spanking a child? How about a doctor or dentist?

The fact is, you have no standard for right and wrong - but you are trying to tell me what is and isn't wrong. That's really funny, and contradictory.

I'd say Chuck Baldwin is neither Libertarian or libertarian but

this does not mean that he is not for liberty. He has tried to let his personal views shape the philosophy of liberty, which doesn't work, but most of us are willing to make some compromise, his is not worse and is much better than many others. I'll vote for him just because Ron Paul endorses him and given what has happened with the Libertarian party, the one who most closely shares my views.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

Chuck Baldwin Libertarian?

Chuck Baldwin is not a Libertarian. He is a libertarian, just like Ron Paul.

Homosexuals, dope users, gamblers, etc. who call themselves Libertarians sometimes are only looking for official sanction and support for their behavior from government. They would silence all who would publicly express disapproval of their lifestyle choices or who would attempt to persuade them to choose a less self-destructive lifestyle.
Such are not libertarians at all, even though they join the Libertarian Party. They are libertines. They want to live not only unmolested by the state but supported by it, and to suppress those who disagree.

EXACTLY! PERFECTLY

EXACTLY! PERFECTLY EXPLAINED!

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Oh quite the opposite. It is

Oh quite the opposite. It is you and your CP authoritarians who want to impose your morality on everyone.

You expose yourself as anything but libertarian, by your derision and condescension of those you call "libertine."

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Democrats want to be your mommy.
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Libertarians want to treat you like an adult.

Remind me again on how

Remind me again on how Baldwin wants to impose his morality on you. Nice try Phoobaar...

No no, the nice try is on

No no, the nice try is on your part. The fact that you can't seem to figure out where Baldwin is anti-libertarian exposes you as a pseudo-libertarian. I'm not here to help cover for you. I'm just going to let you keep digging your hole with empty replies. Eventually, it'll cave in on you.

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phoobaar it's just not working

We don't want your stinkin' Barr
Now stop sulking because he wasn't endorsed.
Isn't there a Barr forum where you can commiserate?

I'll assume you're just

I'll assume you're just trying to annoy me, since you ought to know full well that I'm not a Barr supporter, since you've been around almost as long as me.

I'll simply reiterate for the hundredth time that condemnation of Baldwin is not support for Barr -- it's just condemnation of Baldwin.

If I curse Obama I'm not praising McCain. Get you head out of your backside.

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Liberty for Dummies
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Democrats want to be your mommy.
Republicans want to be your daddy.
Libertarians want to treat you like an adult.