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*Barr's campaign manager and not Barr at fault?*

http://campaign.blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/09/11/principled-l...

September 11th, 2008 by Russ Verney

Today our campaign is being criticized by a few people for my decision to not attend a press conference sponsored by Ron Paul’s political action committee. I thought I would take a minute to explain to you why I made that decision.

It became evident to me after meeting with Ron Paul’s staff that this media event was not about promoting the liberty agenda; it was about promoting a man. That’s not what we’re in this for.

After rumors were spread in advance of the news conference that Bob Barr was dropping from the race – just to hype the event – I became even more hesitant to attend. Those tactics were unacceptable and when asked about it, Ron Paul’s staff simply smiled and said it would attract the press.

When I was provided a copy of Ron Paul’s prepared remarks just hours before the start of the planned news conference it became clear to me that the message Ron Paul intended to deliver was essentially to scatter the votes for the liberty agenda to the four winds.

His remarks not only encouraged anyone listening to support any one of four candidates, he also applauded ‘non-voters’. To me encouraging people not to vote is not principled leadership for the Liberty agenda.

I made the decision that attending that news conference was not consistent with Bob Barr’s principled leadership for the Liberty agenda.



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Fault?

I think it was the right thing to do.

I don't agree with the strategy of dispersing resources among among 4 candidates, especially among socialist ones.

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Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Go to hell, Russ.

And take Bob Barr with you.

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Sure, blame it on the

Sure, blame it on the campaign manager.

Bob Barr failed to show up. Plain and simple. He turned his back on Ron Paul and our r3volution.

It's also interesting that Barr or Verney seem to think Ron Paul's press conference was about himself. You know, Ron Paul took a step away from the GOP in order to make this event happen. It wasn't about the politics, it was about the principles in the statement that all the candidates agreed to.

Oh, but for Barr - he's still playing politics and getting into that old mud slinging again. Throw all the mud that you want, Mr. Barr, and you'll soon find that people are no longer paying any attention to you.

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Barr's take is not just interesting, it's totally bizarre.

It's also interesting that Barr or Verney seem to think Ron Paul's press conference was about himself.

It's not just interesting, it's totally bizarre. That press conference wasn't about promoting Ron Paul the man any way whatsoever. Perhaps Barr can't fathom having a press conference about anything other than promoting politicians, and so he just assumes that if Ron Paul's conference is not specifically about promoting Bob Barr, it must be about promoting Ron Paul. I can't believe someone his age and with so much experience can still think in such a close-minded way. This is why I will have to plug my nose so hard when I vote for him.


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Now for something completely different.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022807.html

http://www.newsweek.com/id/138075/output/print

Root said that he and Karl Rove—seated at Root's kitchen table one night in 2006—debated the fate of online poker. Root said he told Rove that banning online poker would demoralize the GOP. "Rove said, 'Wayne, that's ridiculous. Poker?'" recalled Root. "Karl Rove laughed, and the Republican revolution ended."

Yup

stupid WAR think the GOP lost the 2006 issue because of the online poker issue and Terri Shavio-case, and not because of the war and corruption. How stupid can he be? Now I am sure the online poker ban could have cost the GOP a few votes, but this was NOT the reason why they lost in 2006. They also lost because they did not keep their promise of limited govt. but instead expanded govt.

LOL...YEAH, SURE you made that decision

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how did they pick who to toss under the bus?

Barr keeps acting more and more like a neocon every day.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

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LOL!

LOL!

Yes, it

seems like Russ Verney, and also Shane Cory and Mike Ferguson really messed up the thing for Barr yesterday. Ross Perot recommended Verney to Barr. Verney may be a good organizer, but certainly no real thinker and he knows exactly how to blow the issue. Hope Barr and Paul can have a personal meeting, without any of the staff members and clear up the issues. Barr actually has to fire these three people. They have also let him down with regard to ballot access in ME, LA and WV, all states where Barr should have been on ballot.It would be very good if there could be a total shakeup, also replacement of the VP, Karen Kwiatkowski in the place of Root and some of the experience Libertarian activists to handle the campaign.

Verney is not a good campaign manager

Would a good campaign manager fail to contact a state affiliate EVER about the campaign, or ballot access? Louisiana has received ZILCH in the way of ANY communication from the Barr campaign.

We have a contact with them now, and that contact understands our plight, and has promised to have people contact us to set up interviews, appearances, fund raisers, etc. And it never materialized. They claim they 'lost' their SE region coordinator. Excuse me, but the nomination was given to Barr in MAY, this is SEPTEMBER. What the flip is going on Verney? It's not like anyone can ask you directly because we don't have any way to talk to you and you don't talk to us.

We have four individuals begging to be state coordinators. You ignore them as if they don't exist. I understand you may want someone with experience, but since you obviously haven't found such an angel yet, maybe you might think to consider people who are willing to learn and do the real hard work. Or is this just about hiring your buddies to milk a check out of the campaign?

What about the $20k or so air conditioner you installed in Barr's - already rented offices - paid for with campaign funds? Who rents an office during the summer in ATLANTA with no A/C? A good manager? Hardly. Sounds like graft and corruption to me. At the least it's a waste of funds. You can't take that A/C with you after the campaign, the building owner owns it now. And who is that building owner that you were so kind as to install an A/C for him? What kind of people do you do business with that you would choose a landlord who provides such shoddy property for rent?

I could speculate for hours, and since we have ZERO contact from you, there isn't much else to do.

There are plenty of volunteers in this state, rarin' to go, and they have tried repeatedly to contact HQ to find out what they can do, what response do they receive? Silence.

There is NO excuse for this.

And for the record, while Perot got 19% of the vote in 1992, he didn't win a single electoral vote. Some strategy Verney, really. Looks like you really understand how the president is chosen doesn't it?

If your goal is just to enlarge the LP vote totals, why have you IGNORED the easiest state in the Union for Ballot Access, that is RIPE for a small government message following the abject failure of big government in 2005, and why would you ignore ANY state? I would think the more votes the better, no? If you really are trying to win electoral votes this year, more power to you, if not, you should be summarily fired. But even if you aren't trying to win our 9 electoral votes, you shouldn't behave as if the state doesn't even exist.

You have the best post

on this issue. Thank you for your insight. Peace

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My take on why vote 3rd party and not any one candidate

this is my take on why Paul is doing what he is doing..

whether some of you here will except it or not doesn’t matter it is my personal take..

It is about breaking the hold of the 2 major parties (that is the battle) not about any one party or candidate..

Parties divide people anyway, we should do away with parties and vote for who is best for the country with their personal ideals, not what the party stands for and the money they push around.

Break the bind of voting for the lessor of 2 evils which is what the lame stream media pushes along with the 2 parties themselves..

Did you see W. Blitzer on CNN asking both Ron and Nadar the question of the lessor of 2 evils/bads? if not here is the link to video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEw0qKjP7hk

Not everyone of the those who are voting for Obama or McCain as the lessor of 2 evils would support a Bob Barr, but they might support a Nadar or McKinney...

And by not supporting any one candidate or party, but supporting voting 3rd party in general will have more effect of breaking down the voting for the lessor of 2 evils getting people to vote their conscious as opposed to the lessor of 2 evils..

Sometimes we pick our battles..

Just my take on it..

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"After rumors were spread in

"After rumors were spread in advance of the news conference that Bob Barr was dropping from the race – just to hype the event – I became even more hesitant to attend. Those tactics were unacceptable and when asked about it, Ron Paul’s staff simply smiled and said it would attract the press."

Is there any truth to this? It's the first I've heard of these rumors.

"Bush showed incredible leadership"

Barr’s campaign manager Russ Verney said this in today’s Barr Campaign Update:

“In times of crisis, strength in leadership requires boldness of character, clear direction and firm resolve. As we witnessed after the attacks of September 11th, President George W. Bush showed incredible leadership as he stood atop a fire truck amidst the rubble of the twin towers to rally America.”

http://campaign.blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/09/11/principled-l...

It's Debatable

Who's right?

Is Barr right for sticking to his core message in an attempt to draw neo-cons to a more libertarian version of the Republican Party message and not join in the larger effort to drain votes from both major parties...

...or is Ron Paul right to commit to a slash and burn/take no prisoners effort to dilute the vote by encouraging voters to vote for "anyone" but the Republican and Democrat candidates?

Clearly, "our" candidates cannot hope to do more than tilt the election to one candidate or the other, but our numbers even in combination remain small.

Perhaps both approaches are right, since the net effect will be the same.

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Great hook

to try to convert the mainstream Republicans to Libertarian.

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Express Yourself

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It appears that comments are back up so feel free to express your opinion to Mr. Barr by clicking on the link below and scrolling to the bottom to enter your comments...

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Sort of like ... "The Devil Made Me Do It"

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It became evident to me

It became evident to me after meeting with Ron Paul’s staff that this media event was not about promoting the liberty agenda; it was about promoting a man.
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When I was provided a copy of Ron Paul’s prepared remarks just hours before the start of the planned news conference it became clear to me that the message Ron Paul intended to deliver was essentially to scatter the votes for the liberty agenda to the four winds.

What a narrow-minded blind idiot. Compare this blubbering to the brilliant analysis recently posted by Michael. Actually, there is no comparison.

How stupid do you have to be to not recognize that it was not only about promoting the liberty agenda, but it was about promoting the liberty agenda in a new, creative and indirect way, which is exactly what is needed since nothing else is working. As I keep saying, it's about casting a wider net, a much wider net, instead of focusing on the tiny percentage who is already willing to look away from the Republicrats.

But, I continue to contend that Ron Paul is at least partially at fault here for not clearly explaining his strategy to Barr et al in advance in order to establish buy-in from all of them.

God, this is so depressing. No wonder we can't get this thing off the ground.


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Voting for votings sake is stupid

What Ron Paul meant, if you would care to actually listen, was that some people do not vote because no major party candidate reflects a set of beliefs close enough to their own. And since there isn't a NOTA, why vote ?

To show you the extent of the "everyone should vote" Lunacy, a teacher recently told my kids class that it doesn't matter if you just pick randomlly, its better to vote.

The founders set up the electoral college for a reason.

sounds reasonable

but since Barr hasn't fired the guy for making those comments on the blog, then he is still suspect in my eyes.

I understand having a disagreement in philosophies on the next step to take forward, but it's another to spew venom at RP.

Fault vs Respnsibility

troy nails it!

Whether or not a subordinate commits the act, Barr is ultimately responsible for his campaign's message. Either he sacks the appropriate culprit or he takes the hit himself. No other exit, Bob.

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yes

Barr getting rid of him making him a scapegoat would work fine.
But at the same time this campaign manager has a lot of experience being the manager of Ross Perot campaign in 92
this guy should have been smarter.

How can messing up with the CFL going to get them votes?LOL

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I have to agree with one thing...

... encouraging people to not vote is irresponsible. Why doesn't Ron sponsor a NOTA amendment? Or has he already? I may have missed it.

a vote for the lesser of two evils, if you recall....

Those of us in the liberty movement are constantly preaching for others not to vote for the lesser of two evils, but if one doesn't agree with anyone on the ballot who are we to judge? To be honest, I've personally considered not voting for president (I'll still be voting overall, as I rather like candidate Bob Conley here in SC) because I'm having trouble trusting Barr and Baldwin seems like a bit of a fundamentalist to me.

Tragically, our current first-person-past-the-post system practically encourages this... as it's not about majorities anyway. On that front, encouraging people to not vote is *not* irresponsible... it's just practical if no candidate aligns with one's beliefs.

If we did away with first-person-past-the-post, I'd likely vote someone for the sake of protest, but as is.... who knows.

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