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The Troll Tsunami rolls in again

Michael, is there literally NOTHING you can do about these disengenuous, disinformation spreading, neocon-shilling, pro-establishment trolls that are once again swarming over the Daily Paul? It is getting out of hand, and yet I have to believe that you can clearly see the handful of names who constantly post here against Ron Paul and the message of liberty. Why are they not banned?

It is amazing how the last two days have brought out a wave of disinfo agents and pro-establishment posters, not seen since the Super Tuesday leadup. Just why are they now turning up the heat?



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Why do we do this???

I sit here reading this type of stuff often and the only thing that floats through my mind is-

"Divide and conquer."

How much energy it takes to fight with one another- I KNOW we might all be FIRED UP and ready to fight against the establishment- but 'this' doesn't ACCOMPLISH anything!!!

People need to decide they'd RATHER have things WORK than 'prove' themselves 'right.'

Be humble enough to put your ego aside and swallow your pride for the good of our movement...

"Divide and conquer."

GO RON PAUL!!!!!!

Exactly, Java999

Which is why those who purposefully and maliciously foment division here should be recognized and banned! I am tired of letting them spread their lies and distraction here under the veil of "free speech".

If you are saying that I am the one causing the dissension, you have things exactly backward, and are mistaken. It is the trolls and disinfo agents who are doing the dividing and conquering, for the most part, not those of us of good faith who truly believe in liberty.

Attention Akak

Attention Akak,

Yes, you've been found out!

More and more people have awakened to the fact that you are causing clear division among Daily Paul members, and your relentless personal attacks are not a sign of healthy debate. No, sir.

You mock liberty, your deride it under the guise of some kind of imaginary personalized "anti-troll" fascism. I say again, you've been found out and there's no hiding!

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

You're about to be called a troll...

again. By the same guy. Hope you're ready for it.
Don't say I didn't warn ya....LOL

Give him 30 seconds to

Give him 30 seconds to formulate a response... oh, here's one.... "TROLL!".

LMAO!

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

You...akak....

Are worse for our movement than a troll. For those of us who believe in liberty, YOU are the problem, not the "evil" trolls.

Let the trolls do what they do, ignore them, and they will go away. Yes, they will bump their own posts, come up w/ different screen names, debate themselves, etc, etc.

If you are too weak to be persuaded by a troll, then maybe you're just not good enough for the movement.

Dude, akak, are you kidding me?

You said:

"The fact is that I have NEVER jumped on any newbie here with the label of "troll"

Granted, this isn't a newbie, but you responded to someone who is decidedly NOT a troll in this way.....

On September 11th, 2008 FreeRonPaul says:

Ignore AKAK, he has nothing better to do than harass people. I kid you not, his contributions to this site include two things.

1) Shouting down anyone whose opinion he disagrees with.

2) Well, there really isn't a number two.

You waste your time if you actually attempt to engage him in a sensible discussion. Pretend that anything he says isn't there. You'll learn.

On September 11th, 2008 akak says:

Troll, your lies are laughable
Are you sure they didn't pull you out of your mother's ass and not her birth canal?

You call people trolls by default.... Even those who've been here (and aren't trolls) for a while and call them trolls.

I get it. In lieu of actual debate, you choose the word "troll."

lol................classic

lol................classic akak!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

To Justcantgetit up OR Boilers

You say your an active member yet been inactive till these past few days. I hate people who do this. "Oh you cant touch me I'm a year long supporter of Ron Paul. See look I've been here a year, look". WTH. You could have been a year long support of Ron Paul here on the DP. Yet why do you not know about how trolls operate and yet defend their actions? Either your dense or another one of these screen names that have been inactive by one person at one time then just now using them for your other screen names have been banned.

You've got to be fucking kidding me

I guess I don't have an answer for how freaking ridiculous what you just insinuated is.

Your "either...or" scenario above is so "dense" that you can't think of another reason?

It's called "lurking" and/or "being inactive" for awhile. Go back and check ANY of my previous posts going back for a year. Ask me anything and you'll get my exact response. See, it is you who divert shit like this by questioning the authenticity of anyone here.

Why do you care about

Why do you care about defending the trolls, then? If you're REALLY for letting everyone say what they want and have complete freedom of speech here, then why are you trying to shut down and criticize those of us who call out the disinfo spreading trolls? If you want the trolls to have 'free rein' then the rest of us should have 'free rein' also.

Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/docholladaymusic

www.reverbnation.com/docholladaymusic

Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

Forgive him lord

He knows not who he is dealing with.

Don't need forgiveness....

from the fake man in the sky, but sure, you can pray for me if you'd like and that gets you through the day.

Oh you

Sad little it. Do you really think the fake man in the sky has any bearing on what I am about to do to you.

I consider this my fight

I consider this my fight too. I'll defend a reasonable person any day, regardless of whether or not you think it's your duty to attack them as a 'troll'.

You only lose points with people who appreciate reasonableness or logic here on Daily Paul by wasting everyone's time with more purple prose.

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

akak

You said:
"and you made it up to defend the anti-liberty, pro-status quo trolls over committed advocates of liberty."

If I'm anti-liberty, then I don't know what you call someone who is against free speech.

"why are you so fervent in your support of those who attack what you supposedly believe in?

Freedom of speech is HUGE to me, as you can probably tell.

"spreading untruths and misinformation, and insidiously try to cause us to doubt our core beliefs."

Wait a sec. You think that you have it all figured out? I actually like it when people challenge our core beliefs. Challenging your belief system doesn't only make you stronger in your belief system, but it presents the other side of the argument, which you can then accept/reject.

"it is a matter of calling out those who are in essence attacking ALL viewpoints here, by inhibiting the exchange of ideas

See above. I would argue that you do more harm by doing the following:

Say someone comes in here and says:

"Hey, this new candidate Pon Raul is an interesting guy, although I disagree with him on the ____ issue."

You say: "He is a neocon. Get out of here troll and go vote for him instead"

Told my wife earlier this year that I was hoping that I wouldn't run into a candidate in the future as good as Ron Paul. What you are doing is turning off others who might come in here looking for an alternative by slapping the tag on someone really quick.

Stop telling people who is and isn't a troll. Most people here will be able to tell who and who isn't. And maybe, just maybe the "evil trolls" will make you think a bit....don't be stupid, consider everything.

We are NOT against free

We are NOT against free speech. We are against LIARS and support of the dishonorable.

This forum is Michael Nystrom's private property. You have a problem with Akak exercising his free speech to ask Michael to remove sh$t stirrers from his private property? You don't believe in private property?

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Boilers:

"Say someone comes in here and says:

"Hey, this new candidate Pon Raul is an interesting guy, although I disagree with him on the ____ issue."

You say: "He is a neocon. Get out of here troll and go vote for him instead"

I challenge you to find any such occurence here on the DP -- you will not find it.

Are you willfully being dumb, or not listening? IT IS NOT ABOUT ATTACKING FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!! I do not take offense at those with whom I disagree --- but I DO take offense, and so should you, at those who are here not to debate, but to attack us under the guise of "debate". Two very different things! The tactics and patterns of the true malicious troll is so well known, are you denying that it, and they, do not exist? Are you denying that this site was SHUT DOWN in April by such attacks? Why do you keep apologizing for those who spread lies and attack the whole purpose of this forum?

"Told my wife earlier this year that I was hoping that I wouldn't run into a candidate in the future as good as Ron Paul. What you are doing is turning off others who might come in here looking for an alternative by slapping the tag on someone really quick."

Again, you are clueless, and missing the whole point. The fact is that I have NEVER jumped on any newbie here with the label of "troll" --- it is only after MANY repeated and consistent posts that the pattern becomes clear. Anyone of good faith but differing opinions is welcome here, and that is a big part of the reason that I come here. Please stop trying to attribute actions to me that are not the case -- that is called a "strawman argument", and if you had taken Logic 101, you would know it is a particularly lame and nonsensical way to debate.

Socialist Way vs the Free Market way

OK, a weird analogy but bear with me....

"Why do you keep apologizing for those who spread lies and attack the whole purpose of this forum?

Socialist guy reponds: "Get out you neocon shill, troll. I will NOT allow any attacks on my site." (whew, I'm glad I "saved" the Daily Paul from that troll. Let me pat myself on the back for letting everyone know who he is)

FrMarket guy thinks: "That was a stupid post from a guy who's obviously trying to to stir it up in here. Let me respond to the arguments he makes there....nah, I won't say anything and the topic will fade off"

Stupid and irrelevant topics work much like the Free Market and Natural Selection. The crappy ones fade away.

Yes. The troll is in here to divide and conquer. YOU don't have to warn me about it. YOU don't have to spread the "possible troll" tag. We all know that anyone here could be a plant. I think I'm smart enough to recognize the post and posters that make sense. YOU should allow people to make the same decision before typecasting them.

Again, why are you defending the trolls?

I am amused and concerned that you have a problem with me and others attacking those who attack us.

The fact is, not only does justice and logic DEMAND that we call out those who attack us and this forum, but there are those for whom doing so is a service, as they may be either too new, or visit too infrequently, to see these bastards for what they are. Just as I value hearing it from others when I am not here for a while and a "new" troll comes on the scene --- sometimes I have gotten sucked into a pointless argument or exchange when I might have been saved from it.

And that is why these troll bastards come here, whether they are government agents or just sick individuals: to harass and bog us down in meaningless, circular arguments with them, wasting our time and cluttering up the forum.
As Clintontj said in another post today, what is the point, and why should I bother, trying to engage a malicious shit-stirrer in debate? That is not what they come here for, and anyone who "politely" does so has already lost the battle to them. They will pretend to want to debate or share ideas, but really just want to suck one into a black hole of rhetoric and disinformation --- and they are often VERY skilled at it.

So yes, I will continue to call out the most egregiously obvious trolls when i see them, and I would hope that every other DP'er, or any blogger anywhere for that matter, would do the same. To not do so is to surrender to evil.

How to respond?

Easy: Don't respond to trolls. Let them be and go on their merry way.

"and they are often VERY skilled at it.

Please. Trolls are people too. Most of them are idiots (much like the general population) and easy to deal with.

"To not do so is to surrender to evil.

This is so fucking funny. I mean, so fucking funny that you would describe this as "surrendering to evil." How dramatic can you be? I can't believe you used this term like this is some huge fight that mankind must win in order to survive. Spare me the drama, dude. You can't legislate morality. Troll=pure evil? Got it. Unfuckingreal.

Hey, you can sign me up for

Hey, you can sign me up for "troll patrol" ! It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it.

Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/docholladaymusic

www.reverbnation.com/docholladaymusic

Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

I nominate Doc as a fellow sargeant

in the official Daily Paul Troll Pa-troll (DPTP). He is hereby accorded all the rights and responsibilities thereby incurred.

Here's your sidearm -- now go git 'em!

Doc Says...

...that I am "a troll and a worthless traitor," because I agree with Ron Paul about 9/11 conspiracy theories and I'm not afraid to say so.

Do you concur, akak?

That's pretty hilarious.....

why would you be a "a troll and a worthless traitor" if you agree w/ RP and his position on 9/11?

You'll Have to Ask the "Truthers."

Because I can't figure that one out, either. And they won't answer the question when I ask them.

I'm a pseudo-truther, you can ask me...

Wait a sec.

RP isn't a "truther."

I'm kind of a "truther."

So, if YOU're not a "truther" and you're a troll and I AM a "truther,"

why would I not be the "troll" since I don't agree w/ RP in this regard.

Again, this feeds into my reasoning that, according to some people here, everyone's a troll.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Thanks....

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The Troll Police...keeping the Daily Paul safe from active debate.

Boilers, Defender of the Trolls

We apparently have a new one, folks!

Not necessarily "new".

Not necessarily "new".

Remember we have a certain individual here who shills for Barr who loves to use multiple screennames.

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