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Logically: We cannot make changes without open debates. We now have 4 candidates

Logically: We cannot make changes without open debates. We have 4 candidates to chose from today. If the object is change we need to vote and donate to the candidate with the highest polls and the biggest name. This candidate would have the best shot at getting into the debates and poke the Dems and Repubs in the eye. Since all 4 candidates agree with Ron Paul's 4 principles of liberty, this would seem the way forward. The debates have to be open. Agree?



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Logically: We cannot win elections...

...when they're rigged.

We have to try

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke

Well then...thanks to Ron Paul you still have two choices...

Nader or McKinney...

But let me just say... I don't go to any church and if you listen to my show... I'm no saint ...but I look at more than the negatives of any candidate... I'd vote for Chuck Baldwin, Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney knowing that at least four major issues would be addressed... being that Chuck Baldwin campaigned for Ron Paul and is nearly identical to Ron Paul on every issue... I'm voting for him.

Mike
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Mike
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Mike, Your analysis of Chuck Baldwin

apppears spot on! Chuck Baldwin campaigned for Ron Paul very loudly and clearly. He offered to step aside and continue to stand "beside" Dr. Paul if he decided to accept the constitutional party offer to run as the presidential candidate on this ticket. Chuck Baldwin is an ethically honest man, not merely by simple words alone. but yet by his actions that many people are able to identify with. I am not a "fundamentalist christian". I have made my decision and I, too will be casting my vote for Chuck Baldwin.

I listened to Baldwin's interview last night

his views are almost identical with RP's, and I'm not much of a church goer myself.

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke

Is "bible boy" an attempt at spreading fear?

Because it's a pretty lame argument compared to the guy that voted for the Patriot Act.

Mike
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Mike
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Probably all of the candidates are christian,

Baldwin's just more honest. And I heard an interview with him on Revolution Radio last night; he was clear on the importance of separation of church and state. He even spoke against evangelists who tasted power for the first time with the Bush administration and quickly grew drunk on it and lusted after legislation mixing religion into government.
(not precisely Baldwin's words, but the gist is correct.)

The important thing is to get as many people as possible to vote against
McCain/Obama. It's the combined 3rd party vote that will send the message. Getting open debates is key. The only organized effort I so far see is http://www.opendebates.org I don't know how to make that print as a link.

no its an attempt to mock

no its an attempt to mock those on here calling Barr a neo-con.

But its actually more true, I don't think Barr was ever a neo-con but Baldwin was and is a bibleboy. I would never vote for either a neo-con or a bibleboy, because neither one believes that I own my body, its just that simple.

Keep calling him

Keep calling him 'bibleboy'--I'll continue to use the term "Mr. Patriot Act".

Barr is a smear stain of excrement on our republic.

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Hello Liar...good morning.

Hello Liar...good morning. Just here to call you few Barrbot weasels out. I have followed Baldwin for years and he is no neocon you lying sack. Yes, I will follow you around these forums and call you out wherever you go. Intended purpose is to ensure that your lies and twisting of the truth do not deceive some readers who don't have the time to follow more closely.

Be gone Troll.

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Three candidates... Barr didn't make the Cut

Mike
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RP says Barr signed off on the 4 principles of Liberty

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke

that shouldn't matter,

that shouldn't matter, didn't you get the memo, we're all supposed to call him a neo-con and hate him.

I don't hate him but he made a serious mis-calculation

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke

No bibleboy didn't make the

No bibleboy didn't make the cut.

Good morning lying Barrbot

Good morning lying Barrbot Weasel and Shill :P

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3 candidates bibleboy

3 candidates bibleboy doesn't count

bobbarr2008.com

Good morning lying Barrbot

Good morning lying Barrbot Weasel and Shill :P

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Baldwin is a constitutionalist

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke

That doesn't say much for the Constitution party

Baldwin voted against women in the military...IN 2004!...pffft!

What's next? Burkas?

He is not a true Christian...he is a member of the wacky Christian religion.

Further, Baldwin is unproven in political office.

But hey, according to Ron Paul, we should no longer care about political views, political records, personality defects, personal integrity, etc. All we should care about is if they aren't Obama or McCain. If they aren't either of those two, they are magically delicious...so Bob Barr is back on the table.

Not that I like Barr or anything, but voting for Bob Barr counts as a non-2-party vote.

So this whole Paul/Barr fued is ridiculous! Paul created the environment where substance doesn't matter. Then Paul and Barr go at it like two drunken sailors. It's retarded!

This is the fucking slippery slope that I spoke of on 9/10 concerning the 'major announcement'.

You can all hate me for not having the right attitude and for pointing out the ridiculousness of the Paul/Barr fued, but hey, according to Ron Paul, if Adolf Hitler were running on a third party ticket, you could vote for him and be proud...so maybe, just maybe, this idea has major flaws.

Christ! We were drawn to Ron Paul because of his unflinching integrity about conservatism...but it appears that he flinched...and for what? To send a message? Further, he asks us to compromise our integrity.

If any other person asked me to do this, I'd laugh in their face...but because Paul aske me, I ain't saying no, but I ain't saying yes. I'm giving it real thought. THAT is how much Ron Paul means to me.

I would vote for Barr or Baldwin or even Nader

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke

no, he is a bibleboy

no, he is a bibleboy

Good morning lying Barrbot

Good morning lying Barrbot Weasel and Shill :P

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Baldwin is on Live Now 10pm Eastern

www.revolutionbroadcasting.com

he is answering our questions - great!

Great interview

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke

Thanks, I'm listening to him now.

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke

We cannot reform the RNC or the DNC we don't have the time

we must open the debates. It's the only way and Ron knows it, time is running out.

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke

3 Candidates

to choose from ... (McBamaBarr don't count....only to 3)

Baldwin 08

I didn't say it had to be Barr but we have to have 3 candidate

debate

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke

Logically Bush would be in jail

And Ron Paul would be President.

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