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Does anyone have evidence that Bob Barr is not a good faith "born again" libertarian?

Is Bob Barr a good faith "born again" libertarian? By good faith "born again" libertarian, I mean someone who, after some key point, came to understand and appreciate the value of individual liberty in society, and is genuinely personally committed to promoting this understanding and appreciation.

Reason dictates we have to give Barr the benefit of the doubt, since it's impossible to prove that anyone is a good faith "born again" libertarian. But, if someone is not one, there should be evidence of that. So the burden of proof is on those who claim he is not a good faith "born again" libertarian. Does anyone have any evidence that indicates Bob Barr has strayed from being an honest libertarian since he "saw the light"?




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Hahahahaha, Great comments here...

Let's show him the door: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/RemoveBobBar/index.html

Kick his pathetic, phony ass out.

Does anyone have any evidence that

insincere pukes are here in good faith?
Give it a rest, already....BAR...........IS................DONE!

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I'll give it a BARR IS

I'll give it a

BARR IS DONE!!!

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Oops! Too funny...

I think I need a new keyboard...it's been stickin' to beat the band....my mouse doesn't seem to work so well anymore, either....my baby sister taught me how to take my mouse apart and clean it, but I don't know if it's safe to do that with a keyboard....

Anyway, let me try that again:

BARR...........IS..................DONE.....

Better?

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I want to Thank Bob Barr

His actions yesterday helped me finally make up my mind who I should vote for. It definately will NOT be Barr! Anyone who disrespects Ron Paul will never get one ounce of support from me!

Since I am in CA unfortunately I can not vote for Chuck Baldwin, though he would be my choice of the four. Just like Ron Paul I do not agree with most of Nader's views so I am left with but one choice.. Cynthia McKinney. I will now dedicate myself to convincing everyone I meet to support her versus McInsane or Ohitler. I believe that is what Ron Paul would want me to do.

I want so very much to write in Ron Paul! Since he has specifically asked us not to do that, and given us instructions to the contrary I feel that it as a true believer in his messages it is my duty to follow his suggestion. I trust his judgement and plan to follow his advice. (I was proud to have the privilage to vote for RP in the primary though :-) )

Might I be so bold as to suggest that others do the same? I am disappointed at the amount of energy we spend fighting amongst ourselves! (NO I AM NOT A TROLL!!) I just think that we should take that energy and focus it on positive things to effect the change we all want to see.

Pick a third party candidate and hit the streets, not each other. God KNOWS we already have enough fighting going on in this world!

"There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know." -John Heywood 1546
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We are not really fighting

We are not really fighting amongst ourselves. We are fighting Barr paid staffers and trolls that are making excuses for him. They are also trying to create dissent. There are actually only a few of them and the outbursts from people on this board are directed at them specifically to call them out for what they are.

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Don't you think that they

Don't you think that they would do whatever they could to prevent us from having actual evidence?

I know how I feel and I know what I've seen. We were betrayed by Bob Barr. Barr turned his back on Ron Paul and our r3volution yesterday.

Now, Barr and his campaign staff are trying to talk their way out of the mess that they have put themselves in. Talk is cheap.

At this point, we need to stop giving Bob Barr our support on a silver platter. He needs to start EARNING it!

As for me, I no longer support Bob Barr. Maybe he will earn my support again, but I doubt it.

I'm thinking that maybe the Ron Paul staff had good reason to throw Bob Barr's guy out of the press conference yesterday. Maybe Ron Paul's people know something that we do not.

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perhaps the broken record

perhaps the broken record will help deter the Barrbarian trolls?

Perhaps the title questions should be changed to:

If Bob Barr were accused of being a 'good faith, born again, libertarian', would there be enough evidence to convict him?

You have it backwards!

Is there any proof that he HAS seen the Libertarian light? (Speeches don't count.)

Show us, please.

Do you have any evidence of him being a liar?

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I addressed this in the title post

I wrote,

Reason dictates we have to give Barr the benefit of the doubt, since it's impossible to prove that anyone is a good faith "born again" libertarian.

By your standard (speeches don't count), we couldn't prove that Ron Paul has seen the libertarian light, or anyone else for that matter.


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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You beat me too it.

Is there any reason we could believe what Barr says?

what part of "reason dictates..." do you not understand?

What part of "Reason dictates we have to give Barr the benefit of the doubt, since it's impossible to prove that anyone is a good faith 'born again' libertarian" do you not understand?


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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Uhhh.... yesterday?

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

No, not yesterday

Since yesterday's speech by Ron Paul was not about libertarianism or even promoting liberty, at least not directly, I don't think Barr's behavior is evidence of him not being libertarian. Evidence of rash thinking and having blinders on? Certainly. But I don't see how it's evidence that he's not a genuine libertarian.

If you (or someone) does, please explain (and, no David Nolan's post doesn't do it either).


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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Perhaps the title questions

Perhaps the title questions should be changed to:

If Bob Barr were accused of being a 'good faith, born again, libertarian', would there be enough evidence to convict him?

How about these tidbits?

1) Still supports the War on Drugs (with minor tweaking)

2) Still supports foreign interventionism and the co-called "War on Terror", and has not supported the closing of the over 700 US overseas bases

3) Will not speak out against the Federal Reserve and our corrupt financial establishment

4) Refuses to properly castigate and condemn the fraudulent two-party system in this country

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

Wrong

"First, the federal government should get out of the "drug war" and allow states to determine their own drug policies. Rather than continuing to arrest and imprison people for offenses that do not directly harm other people, we should focus federal law enforcement on crimes involving serious fraud or violence, with identifiable victims. Even then, only where there is a clear and specific federal interest, should the federal government be involved...I also would review my presidential pardon and commutation powers as a possible means to reduce the number of people in federal prison for non-violent drug offenses" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-barr/federal-drug-war-reth...

“Our National Defense policy must renew a commitment to non-intervention. We are not the world’s police force and our long, yet recently tarnished, tradition of respecting the sovereignty of other nations is necessary, not from only a moral standpoint, but to regain the respect of the world as a principled and peaceful nation.” http://www.bobbarr2008.com/issues/

“If I could wave a magic wand and the Federal Reserve Bank would disappear tomorrow, I would do so. It’s a group of unelected governors that are not answerable to or accountable to the people of this country and yet they wield considerable influence over the economy by basically setting rates at which banks and other financial institutions can loan money. And they have built up, you know, huge reserves themselves that they can then dole out as they’re doing – as they did recently with Bear Stearns to prop up as failing, what they see as failing investment houses, for example.” http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/05/31/bob-barr-sounding-lik...

I dont have a source for hom castigating the two party system, but he's done so several times. It's absurd to think that he wouldn't. He's running as a 3rd party.

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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...

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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...

THANK YOU

I hadn't realized how far he has gone with his conversion.

Others - any evidence that these statements of Bob Barr are not genuine?


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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Yes, Minarchist -- all of them

I have read direct quotes from Barr that directly contradict every one of these vague platform statements. But it would take some time to research it and refute RonBarr's half-truths.

Can you not now see that is EXACTLY why he is here, and his goal? To wrap us up in trying to refute his disinformation. He is not worthy of the effort, which he will just confront with more misinformation, and on and on, and so it goes, and meanwhile we waste our time charging at windmills of his own making, and running in circles while he laughs.

But when were the statements made?

But when were these exact quotes that refute this statements made relative to his conversion?

I mean, if he has been consistently libertarian in his statements since his conversion, doesn't that count for something?

Let me put it this way, if the conversion to libertarianism was genuine, how would you know?


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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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Well, I can't sound the man's soul

but he had made unequivocal statements SINCE the nomination regarding keeping most drugs illegal (on the federal level), intervening in a pro-active way around the world (including South America), and as for the two-party duopoly, well, I can't prove a negative, but his silence on the subject spoke volumes to me. Give me a chance to find some of the more egregious statements, if I can do so relatively quickly.

These are words, but there

These are words, but there other thing he has said that contradict what many of us believe in. And actions...wow...actions! Past actions and current actions...those speak louder than words.

Barr is done! I love how the r3VOLution people vet out weasels like Barr and his paid shills. It gives me hope for this country. This is our first test to keep establishment Sock Puppets out of our movement.

It is nice to see so many people looking at the actions instead of the pretty little words of politicians. Now if we can only wake up more Americans and get them to start judging and voting for candidates based on their actions. We will start to turn the tide against the elite and their puppets like McCain, Obama, and Barr.

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Good ones

Good ones, thank you. I think you're right about 2 and 3, know you're right about 4, but I'm not sure about 1. I thought he finally saw the light about drugs.


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Only regarding marijuana, Minarchist

he still fully supports keeping cocaine, heroine and other drugs illegal.

Evidence, please.

Assertions made by a DP poster is not evidence, accept as evidence of that posters opinion.


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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Evidence?

"First, the federal government should get out of the "drug war" and allow states to determine their own drug policies. Rather than continuing to arrest and imprison people for offenses that do not directly harm other people, we should focus federal law enforcement on crimes involving serious fraud or violence, with identifiable victims. Even then, only where there is a clear and specific federal interest, should the federal government be involved."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-barr/federal-drug-war-reth...

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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...

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"Just like Alex Jones will do; he'll try to put words in my mouth... You try to put words in my mouth too, just like Alex Jones does." - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2370864598223573012&...

Bob Barr was driving his black hummer

To a cocktail party in celebration of the surge when a ray of light came down from heaven.

"Stop being such a dick," echoed an ominous voice from above.

From that moment on, Bob Barr was a new man.

Born again forever as a Libertarian.

OR

Someone with a briefcase of money came to him a former contact in the CIA.

"Come on Barr, we've always been able to count on the man who would stab his mother over a nickel in the sofa. Go make the US proud."

Barr licked his mustache and cracked a wicked grin, "Well, I sure do love to serve my country..."

And so Double Agent Barr, Codename: Shithead was reactivated for service...

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ROFLMAO

This was awesome! Don't forget that be was eating that cheese that Borat gave him made from his wife's breastmilk! ;o)

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The cheese! LOL!

I LOVED that scene! And now I know why!

Maybe Borat was on to him before any of us?