So should we line up behind Baldwin?
If the idea is to just scatter the vote across four parties and hand either of the two major candidates the honor of being the 'lowest approval rating' president upon taking office, then this is all well and good.
If we actually want a chance of putting someone useful in the office, we'd ought to band together and come to some kind of consensus.
To me, and many others I'm reading, Barr has effectively shot himself in the foot. I won't descend into speculation of intent. Suffice to say, he doesn't have any chance of getting my vote at this point.
I've looked at the Nader website in an effort to see if there was any possibility of me supporting him.... there isn't. Waaaaay far left.
The Green party? Not on your life. I'm probably more environmentally sensitive than anyone I know.... comes from my boy scout upbringing.
I can't see making decisions of state based upon the environment, though. That's what the constitution is for. Sorry guys, you lost me too.
That leaves Chuck Baldwin. Unfortunately, Baldwin is a political zero in my eyes. If it wasn't for Ron Paul, no one would yet know his name. He makes no splash. He's invisible. Unfortunately, he's also the closest to RP's beliefs and teachings. Our best chance of having a constitution-based presidency would be to put someone in office with a clear understanding of what the constitution is and who it was intended to limit and control.
Also, it may be the only way any of us will recognize him. Right now, if I tripped over Baldwin I wouldn't know it.
Let me know what you think....
The reality is Barr and Baldwin are both nationally unknown
Only diehard GOP partisans or diehard Libertarian Party members, along with fans of the movie Borat, have any idea who Bob Barr is. He was a three-term congressman from Georgia. Not exactly in the national spotlight.
If notoriety is all one is seeking, I'd say Barr or Baldwin, it's a wash. So vote for the one you actually like.
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If we're sincere in our
If we're sincere in our desire to send a message about the Bush administration and the two-party duopoly's attacks on the Constitution, Baldwin is the right choice.
If you are not sincere, and obsessed with trivia like 'too much Christianity' or 'gambling rights', or what a southern Preacher's opinion of homosexuality is, go ahead and waste your vote on Bob Barr, who supports Bush and the war on terror.
*PS: Remember that less than two years ago, Dr. Paul was also a political unknown with no mainstream media coverage.
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Who is "WE" Kemo Sabe?
Its about individualism, you may line up behind Baldwin, Barr, Obama or anyone else you choose. I am sure others can make their own individual choice as well.
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Absolutely
if you want to vote for someone who will uphold the Consitution!
Non Interventionism and will repeal the Patriot Act
No NWO - UN - NAU - Yes Freedom & Liberty
The only candidate who will secure the borders (only one who speaks about it even)
vote your conscience -
vote for the message -
I am very happy Chuck Baldwin is on the ballots to continue Ron Paul's message .... I have someone to vote for and support!
Alrighty then...smashing good idea!
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I can tell you right now,
I can tell you right now, there is 0 chance of a 3rd party being elected to the presidency this year. There's no point in giving it serious effort... we should just use them to get as many votes as possible (that will be hard enough), and use their campaigns as platforms to discuss the 4 big issues that they agreed on.
The difference between the general election/3rd parties, and the Republican Primary and Ron Paul's campaign, is that in the latter scenario, there was a much greater possibility of winning/being successful. I see this 3rd party coalition as more of a vehicle for education/the Campaign for Liberty, not a serious attempt to elect someone as president.
I am not that enthusiastic about any of the 3rd party candidates... Chuck Baldwin is very bland, I disagree too much with McKinney, Barr is out (and he deserves to be out), and that leaves Nader: the strongest of the remaining 3, but we don't agree with him completely....
Considering this reality, I do not plan to donate money (I just can't afford it anyways.... if there was someone I really liked, with a feasible chance, I'd make the sacrifice, but there's not). I also do not plan to actively volunteer... I will do the best I can to convince friends and family to vote 3rd party, but that's it for me.
I haven't decided which 3rd party candidate I will vote for.... since I don't really care, and I know they're not going to win, I will likely either chose whoever is strongest in the polls or whichever party I feel is the strongest... that would be the only reason I might still vote for Barr.... I'd be voting for the Libertarian party, not him... just as a way to help them out (I kind of think they have the best chance of developing into something stronger out of the 3 main 3rd parties).
I would be interested to see what happens with Barr if he gets replaced.... if they replaced him with say Mary Ruwart (or anybody really), I might reconsider and get more involved.
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This must be done by State!!
Freedom is not FREE!!
It makes NO difference whom you vote for unless it is done by state. In my opinion it is to disrupt the SYSTEM. If each of the various 3rd party candidates pulled a coup and pulled the electoral votes from their respective state or states whereby neither 2 party candidate could achieve the 270 votes. This would cause a dramatic change in the systems and the downfall of the 2 party system. No third party will win and those of you wishing is just a pipe dream. The goal ahead of us is to screw both the DEMocr*pS and Republish*t*s. Yes I say SCREW for that is what they have done to our country!!.
Research and find the most popular in your state and VOTE THAT PARTY! PERIOD!
It does not matter this election. What counts is the SYSTEM! It must change and WE can change the electoral college and F them both! It is about time. Get out on the streets and pull against the status quo. I am in Louisiana but will not vote Paul/Goldwater although it will turn my stomach not doing so. I will try to find the most support for a third party candidate and try to win it for them. The electoral vote away from the status quo is the way to go and a campaign to accomplish this is what is in order.
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Freedom is not FREE!!
Freedom is not FREE!!
Absolutely Not,
Ron Paul has done everything possible to give the political establishment a big F.U. and I intend to join HIM. Make up your own mind. Unless there is a huge 'write in' effort http://writein2008.blogspot.com/search/label/Alabama I'll be voting my choice for a third party candidate. I look forward to any intelligent, positive post's regarding any of them.
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Funny
Getting behind a single candidate rather than scattering our votes to the four winds was exactly why Barr did what he did, how do I know - because he said so in his press conference.
Now you are here, making Barr's argument about Baldwin and you somehow think it's true for Baldwin and not Barr? Interesting. Each of the four can make this argument. But so far, only Barr has publicly.
Barr is running on his own
Barr is running on his own ego, and he's screwing the Libertarian Party as well as giving the finger to the Ron Paul Revolution.
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However, I didn't stab Dr. Paul in the back...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I think many are having trouble with my use...
of the term 'line up'.
I simply mean that if we scatter our votes we have even less than a zero chance. As it is, I doubt there is enough third party votes to get anyone elected so maybe the point is moot anyway.
So, instead of 'line up' let's change it to 'give our support to'. I certainly didn't insinuate that we all fall in, lock step, behind the next candidate in line.
Just pointing out that Baldwin seems to be the most closely aligned with the Paul message and the other two (I no longer include the failed Barr campaign) are much farther left than I am willing to go.
If I wanted left, I would vote for Obama.... or McCain.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Our best hope is to get out...
The Vote third party message and, let the chips fall where they may.
There's a LOT of angry citizens mad enough to do it if they know about it.
The DP is proof that the grassroots support for Ron Paul and his peaceful message of individual liberty is large, real, and not going away!
However,
you also must recognize that there are alot of others out there who will not go to the right enough for Baldwin either, but would like to cast a vote against the 2-party status-quo stranglehold .
This is what the Unity Meeting was all about. We're not going to win this election. Our goal is to have an effect on the duopoly.
The Unity candidates can gather the votes from their closest circles of political influence, and thereby increase the number of 3rd Party votes to with-hold from the 2-party duopoly.
People who would never vote for Baldwin, can still vote for McKinney or Nader, and still have the 3rd Party Unity effect against the status-quo duopoly. It results in greater overall numbers.
So, you and I can vote for Baldwin, and others can vote for McKinney or Nader, and we can all feel pretty good about who we voted for, and the overall numbers add up higher without having to vote for somebody that you didn't like.
I think the overall goal is to try to get enough 3rd Party votes to deny the winner a "mandate", and therefore eliminate any claims that he's been "tasked by the people to further his goals". If more than 50% of the people vote against him, then he has no "mandate" to force his agenda.
If 3rd Party Unity candidates can pull 15-20% of the vote total, and the major party loser pulls 40% of the vote total, then the winner only got 40-45% of the total vote. No "mandate".
That's what Dr. Paul is trying to do with his Unity Meeting message.
Remember, voting is with your own conscience
This was the requirement by our founding fathers. Our country could only remain 'free' if our society was a moral one.
Let me start by saying
that I personally can and will vote for Baldwin in my state, because he is on the ballot here.
However, I really do think that it will be counterproductive to try to herd, cajole, or push people toward Baldwin here(no matter what the reason), in an attempt to promote him. It can push away more people than it gains.
All attempts that I've ever seen to do that, have backfired.
It was horrendous with Barr.
Let the voters make their choices.
The natural flow now will go toward Baldwin for a goodly percentage of this website's members. It doesn't need help here. It could use some help outside with new blood, and that's what's needed.
IMO, all that's needed here is a good "soft-pedal" type of presence.
The support for Baldwin is already here.
I think trying to "line-up" people is not a good strategy, although I think it's great that you want to help, so don't get me wrong.
Ron Paul
does not want us to fall in line. He wants each and every one of us to decide by ourselves, each individual using their intellect to decide. Group mentality destroys a movement. Individual aspects of each individual in a movement is what makes a movement strong. No human knows the answer to everything. Like it or not, we all must coexist.
Edit: Just to let you know, at this point I will vote for Baldwin.
Indeed, Dr. Paul doesn't
Indeed, Dr. Paul doesn't want us to "fall in line" behind any of these candidates. I find it bizarre that the OP is suggesting we should choose his personal favorite. Dr. Paul suggested that we choose our own favorite -- or none at all, if that's our choice.
But, this is the Daily Baldwin now, so I shouldn't be surprised by all the aggressive stumping being done for him.
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Hehe, I just wish it was the
Hehe, I just wish it was the Daily Paul again.
Obviously the direction of the site has to change now, but I'd rather it didn't become a place for people to stump for candidates. If Dr. Paul has endorsed someone for Congress or whatever, that's one thing. But these Barr and Baldwin stumpers are just opportunists taking advantage of Michael's traffic.
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Most of us already know what we're doing.
So can we move on? I'm not sure why a bunch of libertarian-leaning people are trying to convince and cajole others.
Live your lives people. Time is short.
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OK, I find a great temptation to write Ron Paul across my ballot in black magic marker just to send a message. I'm between that and having my vote counted. I dont know if either matters.
At this point, it comes down to being able to sleep at night.
My mind is made up.
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Nothing wrong with writing
Nothing wrong with writing in Ron Paul.
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4 more
4 more votes here in Ohio for Baldwin. My dad, even though we got him to vote for Dr. Paul in the primary he's reverted to his fox news brainwashing. It took a profanity laden christmas dinner to convince him who the right candidate is. Fox has got him so worried about Obama that there isnt much more I can do. It''s a fight every time politics is brought up now. I really wanna knock some sense into my old man.(physically)
NOW
Period. There is no second choice.
There's still my first
There's still my first choice: Ron Paul.
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