Plans set in motion for the removal of Bob Barr as the Libertarian Party's U.S. presidential nominee
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Controversies surrounding Libertarian U.S. presidential nominee and former congressman Bob Barr rose to new levels on Friday afternoon.
There is now a serious effort by some in the Libertarian Party to remove Barr as its presidential nominee. In order for this to happen, the matter must be voted upon by members of the Libertarian National Committee. A motion has been written calling for Barr's removal and at least one representative has expressed a willingness to make it. If and when the motion is seconded, it will be brought to voting. The motion can be read in its entirety below.
Barr has been decreasing rapidly in voter popularity since his last minute refusal to attend former Republican presidential hopeful Congressman Ron Paul's third party unity conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC on Wednesday.
Wanna see something blood-boiling?
check out the 2008 LNC. scroll down to the ballots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Libertarian_National_Conve...
1st ballot: barr beats ruwart by 1 (!) vote. lol there was a ron paul write-in and a penn jillette too.
2nd ballot: barr wins by 22. there was a stephen colbert write in
3rd ballot: barr TIES with ruwart at 186 votes each (29.7% of votes each)
4th ballot: ANOTHER TIE, this time at 202 votes, which is 32.1% each.
5th ballot: RUWART DEFEATS BARR by six votes!!! but then...Root quits the race...so it brings us to
6th ballot: landslide victory for barr thanks to Root supporters.
man she could have won.
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Uh, that was no landslide--not even close.
And the wiki numbers are wrong. See http://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20080523.pdf
Barr got a majority by 0 votes on the sxith ballot 324/628.
Root got a majority by 5 votes on the second ballot 289/567.
5 votes out of 4912, cast among 8 ballots by 643 delegates.
Hardly a landslide.
If she had won...
The LP would continue its grand tradition of receiving zero attention in the media, and being nothing more than a debate society.
Love him, or hate him, Bob Barr is getting more MSM coverage than any previous LP candidate (though Harry Browne and Ron Paul were more deserving).
Ruwart would have turned off way too many people with what they would see as support for child pornography.
http://libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/05/internal-l...
That being said - I wish Ron Paul would of accepted the invitation to be the LP candidate that was offered this past spring - and the guys who write on that website really really suck :)
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That was debunked months ago.
Still spreading that BS rumor, are we? That was debunked five months ago.
Here's the actual debunking, by a friend:
"Time to flip the argument.
Nowadays it is possible to create “virtual” child porn where the depiction is a child but is in fact nothing more than pixelations. It’s considered illegal, but there is no consensual act or exploitation, either, or even a “victim”.
Applying that to Dr. Ruwart’s passage, we find that it does not apply to either coerced acts (first paragraph) and it does not apply to consensual acts (second paragraph). The third paragraph points out that if it is outlawed, price rises as does the taboo demand (both true), but in the virtual case the incentive increase for exploitation does not increase, so at best it’s not applicable either.
So there is a case where there can be the child porn but no consent or exploitation, and that curdles the argument. It also points out that the question and answer at issue are not what everybody thinks it is.
Keep in mind that the question that started that section on page 43 was, “How can a libertarian argue against child pronography?” The answers in the first two paragraphs deal with the either-or of consensusl and non-consensual acts. The third paragraph actually answers the question.
The point is that the single quote by itself is out of context. It was the second paragrpah of a two-paragraph preface to answering the original question. The answer to the question was that the act of outlawing child porn creates the high-price and high-incentive market for it, in the same way it happens for gambling, drugs, booze, adult sex, and any other taboo activity (according to whatever the social norm happens to be). In other words, the answer to the question of how to argue against child porn laws is based in the market regulations and not on the basis of a child’s rights. You have to read the whole thing. That’s exactly why the issue of pre-pubesence or not is not addressed, because for a free-market-driven solution, it doesn’t matter a whit. This is further illustrated in the immediately previous question:
“Q: Are children treated special, so that society would have to create laws that restrict children’s access to items such as cigarettes and pornography, or are there no such laws and all such decisions are left to the parent?
A: A libertarian society would not have laws that discriminate on the basis of age. (emphasis added) Parents who were concerned about to sales to minors, however, should be able to convince store owners to establish their own age requirement. After all, the parents are generally better customers than the children! Businesses tend to favor the wishes of their best clientele.
Owners who actively encouraged sales of cigarettes or pornography to minors could be effectively boycotted in communities that felt strongly about such issues.”
See it? Market-driven solution to the porn question independent of age. Prosecution of those that violate the rights of children. In black-and-white.
And yes, I’m a parent."
Go have some more Barr Kool-Aid.
Even if RP had accepted
He'd get no attention. Ron Paul is as known as he is today thanks to his participation in the Republican debates.
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Is this for real????
If so Great.
or is this wishful thinking.
I do not like Bob Barr.... at all.
I like Chuck Baldwin but I am sick of Religion being involved in Politics.
Nader is looking better and better to me.
Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Jessie Ventura are my favorites who are NOT running.
The LNC has said
repeatedly that this is absurd, and there is NO move to remove Barr, and even if there was, it couldn't be legally done and still preserve ballot access for the LP.
Whoever posted this is just wasting his time. Give up the pipe dream, it won't happen.
Too bad for the Libertarian
Too bad for the Libertarian Party, then. This year could have been a great moment for the party, but they flushed it away on Barr.
With a good candidate, the LP could have made the 15% necessary for the debates. Not so now.
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You're wasting breathable air...
The owner of this website is who posted this to the Daily Paul. If it's such a waste of time then what does that say about you commenting on said post on said website?
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Credibility
Does anyone else feel that, while this may be the right course of action, it is really harming the credibility of the LP? It seems to me that it paints a picture of instability.
ALL YOU BOB BARR BASHERS ARE
ALL YOU BOB BARR BASHERS ARE F(*&^* MORONS! YOU ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT BASHING BARR, OR REMINISCING ABOUT RON PAUL, OR TALKING ABOUT RALPH NADER - WHO IS NOTHING EVEN CLOSE TO RON PAUL. ANYBODY WHO VOTES FOR NADER DOESNT REALLY UNDERSTAND RON PAUL. SAME GOES FOR BALWIN.
AND HOW MUCH HARM CAN BOB BARR REALLY DO. EVEN IF HE GOT IN THE DEBATES, HE WOULDENT GET MORE THAN 20% OF THE VOTE. HE CANNOT WIN! HIS ONLY MISSION IS TO SPREAD THE LIBERTARIAN MESSAGE. BUT SINCE HE CAN'T GET ELECTED, THEN HIS REPUBLICAN PAST IS IRRELEVANT. HIS ONLY USE IS GETTING ON TV AND PROMOTING THE LIBERTARIAN MESSAGE. IF HE "SPOILS" THE ELECTION, THAN THATS EVEN BETTER. CUZ THE GOP WILL RECOGNIZE THAT THE LIBERTARIAN MOVEMENT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, OTHERWISE THEY WILL CONTINUE TO LOOSE ELECTIONS.
THIS FORUM IS MORE CONCERNED WITH HATRED, THEN PUSHING THE REVOLUTION FORWARD. WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SINCE THE RALLY FOR THE REPUBLIC. NOTHING!
ALMOST EVERYBODY HERE IS IN A STANDSTILL WHILE THEY WAIT FOR THEIR MARCHING ORDERS FROM RON PAUL.
MEANWHILE, THERE IS A MONEY BOMB GOING ON FOR BJ LAWSON AND NOBODY ON HERE IS DOING ANYTHING. BJ LAWSON IS ACTUALLY ENDORSED BY RON PAUL. HE HAS BEEN TO THE RALLY FOR THE REPUBLIC. HE IS SMART! AND HAS A REALISTIC SHOT OF BEATING THE DEMOCRATIC INCUMBANT IN HIS DISTRICT WHO VOTED FOR THE PATRIOT ACT. IS ANYONE REALLY SPREADING THE WORD? IS THERE MUCH MONEY BEING DONATED? NO!
THIS REVOLUTION IS GONNA SPLINTER AND DIVIDE JUST LIKE MOST POLITICAL "REVOLUTIONS" UNLESS PEOPLE START SEEING CLEARLY AND GETTING THEIR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT.
..Barr get 20% of the vote?
..Barr get 20% of the vote? He'll be lucky if he gets two percent!
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I would not call anyone a moron...
While butchering the english language at the same time. It makes you look the part of the fool.
That being said - Yes this "revolution" will splinter - as it has been said many times before -"Trying to get freedom loving individuals to agree on anything is like trying to heard cats".
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is nothing like paul but i dont care i just want to be able to live in this ridiculas country. He agreed on the 4 issues which is what will save this country. Thats first priority! By the time hes ready to start getting to his issues that we dont agree with it'll be time form a new election. then we'll get someone better. Small price to pay for freedom.
WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SINCE THE RALLY FOR THE REPUBLIC?
"WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SINCE THE RALLY FOR THE REPUBLIC. NOTHING!"
Wow. You mean our nation's most dire problems have not been solved in the last 14 days?
Man, we better get crackin', as my mom would say.
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The Political Cuckoo's nest.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/61877
LP motion to chastise Ron Paul for not endorsing Bob Barr
Attack is the best defence?
The Libertarian National Committee (LNC) continues to be in a fierce deadlock today over how to address the growing controversies surrounding their party's U.S. presidential nominee, former congressman Bob Barr.
Many libertarians have spoken out against Barr since his last minute refusal to attend former Republican presidential hopeful Congressman Ron Paul's third party unity conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC last Wednesday.
One faction of the 17-member LNC, led by at-large representative Dr. Mary Ruwart — who lost the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination to Barr at the National Convention in May by only a few votes — is supporting a resolution to apologize to Paul.
Source: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Libertarian_National_Committee_m...
This is being countered by another faction led by Treasurer Aaron Starr, who favors a resolution to chastise Paul for not endorsing Bob Barr and “splitting the Freedom Movement.” The motion supported by Starr was made available online Tuesday night. It can be read in its entirety on the linked site.
That takes the cake...
It is Ron Paul who is guilty of "splitting the Freedom Movement"?
That's funny, I thought it was the political party who butchered the goose who laid the golden egg in nominating a former neoCon apparatchik who voted for the unconstitutional "Patriot" Act.
What a tool. Yeah, that's a political party that I want to be part of. Sounds like the same shitheaded doublespeak coming from the Bilateral War Party.
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The only ones 'attempting' to split the Freedom movement, are Bob Barr, the covert CIA plant, and his paid minions willing to make motions on his behalf!
This is not surprising and is an old technique to infiltrate movements that threaten 'globalist agendas'.
Dr. Paul is a 'brilliant' statesman to have negotiated an agreement on 4 libertarian issues that have been disastrously destructive to our country with the 'three' other candidates, Baldwin, Nader, and McKinney.
This coalition is bent on abolishing the 'illegitimate' debate commission, while pushing for transparency and open debates!!
I take great acception, however, to Nader 'confirming' to Wolf Blitzer and viewers that Bob Barr agreed to these 4 issues!!! He had no business taking responsibility for Barr. And because of this 'faux paus', I am left wondering just what Nader meant by this 'tag team' approach on tv??.
Even if Barrs' spokesperson passed this on to Nader, it doesn't mean Bob Barr agreed to anything since this conveyance was based on HEARSAY!!!
Bob Barr never put in writing or made any verbal agreements with Dr. Paul and the third party candidates, unless someone knows something I do not.
If the Libertarians wish to continue into the future, they will have to remove Barr ASAP and make a public statement for the record.
Barr Succeeded . . .
. . . in making the LP even more irrelevant, and who would have though that was possible?
Good job, Bobster!
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I do not know if the effort or the report are credible. Assuming
the truth of both the report and the effort it describes, I wonder about the practical chance of success. I admit to preferring Dr. Mary Ruwart for the LP choice, but this is something I've not seen the LP ever do. Even if I were to believe that such a thing were a practical possibility, does that mean that the new candidate would be able to exercise a different choice for VP?
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See below. I've explained where things are and the process.
Frankly, at this point nothing is going to happen, and that's sad.
Barr is a mole. I'm voting
Barr is a mole. I'm voting for Baldwin.
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You say he's a mole, someone else says he's a weasel.
yet others say he's a jackass.
He must be tri-racial or something.
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Where
Did all the Barr trolls go?
I have yet to read this from a credible source
and no libertarian group has mentioned it. All i can think is that it's a bunch of people trying to get a large enough group of people together to get Barr pushed out.
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Not looking around much?
Try lastfreevoice.com, independentpoliticalreport.com, knappster.com for starters.
If so, what a pity. I
If so, what a pity. I wouldn't vote for him if you held a gun to my head.
Ironically, I remember saying that about GW Bush when I was a conservative in 2000. Then I voted for Harry Browne.
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