I hope the RP people will come to appreciate what a warrior Ralph Nader is!
Submitted by Ralph Waldo on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 16:56
I hope the RP people will come to appreciate what a warrior Ralph Nader is!
Many have a knee-jerk reaction when his name is brought up. However, I have been following him for years and he has a been a champion of the average people for over forty years.
He's brilliant, articulate and his heart is in the right place. There is no doubt in my mind that he and RP would be the greatest third party team ever!
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I take acception to the way Nader
took responsibility for Barr on the Wolf Blitzer show with Ron Paul sitting there.
It seemed important to Nader that Blitzer and viewers 'understood' Barr agreed to the 4 issues and open debates when so called 'agreement by Barr' was only conveyed by a spokesperson. Can you say, HEARSAY, folks! Well, that is what it is! Bob Barr never agreed to anything with this coalition either in writing or verbal, unless someone knows something I do not!
Attempting to legitimize Barr, despite not showing up at the press conference while Barr eventually disses this 'coalition' of third parties is nothing short of moral disgust!
So ya, I can't help but wonder what Nader meant by this tag team approach with Barr?
It would help our movement
It would help our movement if Bob Barr also was with the rest of the third party candidates and Ron Paul on this. So I think they are disappointed that Barr didn't show up but still want to make it seem like he endorses the ideas because it shows people that true conservatives and true liberals can all unify under basic constitutional principles that are very important. (run on sentence?)
check the facts
Barr signed onto the 4 point statement.
He did not attend the conference.
Ron was also defending Barr at the press conference.
Yet after it ended Ron and Nader did nothing to excuse Barr no-show.
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bump for Constitution day
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Nader is the real deal
& has proven it over & over.
If Dr.Paul & him got together earlier, (pre-iowa) I think you would be looking at serious chance of a upturning the system
Ron Paul IS the REAL DEAL
And That Is EXACTLY Why He Stated On National MSM That "NO", He Indeed WOULDNOT Be Voting For Ralph Nader. Period It.
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I think Dr.Paul is the real deal, but I like how Nader has takin on specific issues ex. car safety & seen them thru.
You have to admit, a lot of Paul fan's only see what's inside his bubble & don't know any other honest (small amount) of people who are inolved in DC.
yet he said
that he wants to give Nader as many votes as possible
3 minute mark of the interview on CNN
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
Only media distortion
In a desperate attempt to sow dissension and muddy the water, blitzer moved in. Notice how both Paul and Nader passed it off.
And actually, Dr. Paul’s intended vote is his own business. Wolf should have known better.
There are very few people who have made their way to the national spotlight, who are truly working to improve the state of our country.
For years, Nader worked with the tools at his disposal, to great affect. Along comes Dr. Paul and he rejects the power of the state and brings alone millions of voters and dollars. Can Dr. Paul bring about a return to Constitutional rule of Law? Well,
Now Ralph and Cynthia have joined the Revolution. Does no one understand that we have crossed the chasm? Things are going forward and growing. Not a minute too soon.
The thing I appreciate most about Ron and Ralph? Their political savvy does not come in the form of an ad hominem attack. (They won’t attack the man only his ideas and actions.).
John Adams and Thomas Jefferson were great rivals but both good and decent men. In the end, they came to appreciate their differences of opinion.
Vote 4 Principles!
Yes
Really great comment
great comment
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No, That's Not Quite What He Said
You're taking it out of context. He wants Nader to get votes instead of Obama, which is where they would otherwise likely go. He explicitly stated he does not endorse Nader, as should be patently obvious.
Nice try.
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Nader advocates
Ya know, I was reading postings and came back online to answer your "Yet He( Ron Paul) said that He wants to give Nader as many votes as possibel", If Ron Paul wanted to give Nader "As Many Votes As Possible" then Ron Pauls Vote "Would Be One More As Many Possibles" wouldn't it? I realize that We revolutionaries want Freedom, but at what cost? Socialists are still Socialists no matter what they call themselves. A spade is still a spade no matter how you try to change it.. Thank You.
This Poster Is Always Doing That
Why is beyond me.
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as many people that agree with Nader
should vote for him and not settle for the "lesser of 2 evils" - in their case that would most likely mean Obama.
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Nader's MySpace page has Ron Paul
here~ http://www.myspace.com/votenader08
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Nader is polar opposite on many issues
They agree on the four principles mentioned in their recent joint news conference. However, on other issues they are opposites. In the 1950s and '60s it was Nader who was pushing for increased government regulation on all consumer products, especially in the auto industry. Notice how that was also the time when:
1) American cars became less competitive
2) Detroit started their long fall (unions helped the decline too)
3) Automobile prices began to skyrocket
4) Taxation went through the roof. Where are we today, close to 50% taxation from all levels?
Nader is no friend of the free market, and he is no friend of freedom, prosperity, or progress. How can we consider someone who destroyed the livelihood of millions of Americans a good person? True, maybe he did it out of ignorance but that doesn't earn much respect in my books.
Register as Republican and Vote for Ron Paul
It was Japanese competition...
and a free market that changed things. It was lack of competition and a controlled media restricting the free flow of information about the dangers that caused these doldrums. Not Nader, unions, or safety regulations.
Funny when push came to shove the big three matched japanese safety and mileage and they still made money.
Nader was pushing for is the right of citizen's to sue corporations for faulty products. It's a very libertarian position.
Biggest factor
True, there were other factors and it's not a simple equation, but I think America would have been able to compete with the Japanese without the costly obligations of heavy-handed regulations. Not to mention corporate welfare and import levies against Asian imports which, contrary to conventional wisdom, makes American businesses even less competitive. Nader, I believe, is a proponent of increased government regulation, is he not?
As for unions not causing hurt, you should listen to some lectures from Lew Rockwell's Mises.org site. The estimated costs of Unions to Americans is in calculated in the tens of trillions of dollars. Natural unions with no special privileges are fine (i.e. employers can fire who they want when they want as long as it does not break private contracts) but the unions that received special government protection were a complete disaster to whatever industry they touched. Walter Block and Tom Woods had some great lectures on the topic of unions and how devastating they were. They also talk about how devastating regulations are to entrepreneurs.
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Unions of old
Japanese competitors faced the same regulations as the American manufactures plus there were import restrictions and quotas besides.
I will look up the references at Mises.org. But what about the other side? Business had traditionally used government to their own advantage in battling and subduing workers who had legitimate complaints. It wasn’t illegal for a workers to sue a business for wrongdoing it was just impossible. When the workers united and wrested some of the government support away from business the businesses cried foul, poor babies.
Maybe it didn’t cost the workers trillions of dollars, but how many coal miners died of black lung, how many mill workers died of white lung, how many lost their hearing or body parts, how many were burnt in fires or expected to do dangerous work as disposable cogs in a profit-making machine.
One thing the Unions proved is that manufactures didn't need to enslave people to be profitable. Did unions go to far? Where is the balance?
Did Lew analyze the benefits business got from government support of their draconian mining manufacturing processes? I will go find out. Thanks for the link.
I think unions are a good thing
Fortune Favors the Bold
and frankly, probably a necessary bulwark against exploitation. Just keep the government away from the negotiation process.
Fortune Favors the Bold
Yeah, if Hitler got rid of
Yeah, if Hitler got rid of them, it is a good sign that they should be supported. They actually are more towards the good side than the federal government setting minimum wage, etc.
Private Property is an Individual Right and GOOD THING.
When you get Ralph Nader saying that, let me know.
Until then, I still remember him as a member of the Green Party, calling for Plank number 3..... "Private Property is evil and should be abolished in this country!"
In Peace and Liberty,
Treg
Nader never joined the Green Party
The Green Party didn't nominate Nader in 04 because he refused to join them. His socialists supporters are foaming at the mouth he would team up with the racist blah blah blah Ron Paul. Ralph Nader is a millionaire who knows how to profit off this corrupt system. Ralph Nader LOVES his privacy and private property. Ralph Nader believes that government's job is to protect your RIGHTS to protect yourself. NO ONE sues the feds more than Nader. Ever since Nixon ripped him off a bunch of Non-profits and made them govt, departments... Nader doesn't want a bigger government..he wants people to be active and that action to keep government lean and working transparently, as a mere gear, not a frigging machine telling people to buckle up. Nader could care less if you buckle up, but he does think those selling products have the responsibility to not sell you something that will accidentily kill you because they were too busy making a profit off style over safety. That was his point. He never said, Make LAWS for seatbelts and milk the nation for the police that have nothing better to do that check for seat belts..
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Good Catch
I didn't remember that plank. Yeesh.
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GOOD Socialist -vs -BAD Socialist
NADER appears to be the so called Good socialist and GWB is the Bad Socialist, but they are BOTH Socialists which means "NO FREEDOM FOR AMERICA.." Again, It's as Simple As That.
Bush is a communist
Bush is using Solzenichen's GuLag Archipelago as a road map to create GuLag America/World. Bush is in debt to Communist China..which Nader is OPPOSED! Nader has been opposed to all these free trade and privatizations. Right now, the socialists who joined Nader are bailing..they HATE Ron Paul and are abandoning Nader...GOOD. I'm Sooooo glad I joined the rEVOLution and Ron Paul has educated me, and now I'm teaching Nader supporters...FREEDOM IS POPULAR
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Your argument fails in one aspect
Bush isn't clever enough to read, and they never made a movie out of the Gulag Archipelago.
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