Ron Paul Survival Report?
Submitted by StopTheEmpire.S... on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 16:30I feel that I am well-read in respect to Dr. Paul's positions, and believe I've already seen this debunked by Texas Monthly/NY Times...as well as in Dr. Paul's own writings/speeches from the floor of the House...
But what does everyone know about the Ron Paul Survival Report incident and Rep. Jordan from years back?
It is my understanding that both were unfortunate incidents that painted Dr. Paul as a racist, though he has spoken out MANY times against racism as a form of perverted collectivism.
This is not posted by some secret RUDY supporter, I am behind Dr. Paul for 2008, ----will write in his name/absentee vote for him if need be, I was just looking for more detailed info since this racism issue has arisen when promoting the campaign [only a handful of times]
Storm the Gates.
-jared-
I'm a cynic
I never believe a politician when he/she tries to distance himself/herself from something ugly in the past: instead I would look for some corroborating evidence that shows a pattern. In Dr. Paul's case, there is none. By being in congress for 20 years, he is basically under a microscope and on record for every vote and every public statement. With that much crap to dig through, somebody would have found something more than this by now, so I would completely disregard these statements. Heaven help me if I ever ran for office with all of the stupid things that I've said or may have written at one time. You will never find a more squeaky clean politician than Ron Paul.
5% of people make things happen
10% of people watch things happen
85% say "What happened?"
Walter Williams for vp
Walter Williams for vp. End of story.
nah hoax
I heard about this...Ron didn't wrote it. Some worker placed that in Ron's
newsletter when he was on vacation i think. That was part of a smear campaign against him by some corrupt guy.
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anyone?
-jared-
When one person can initiate war, by its definition, a republic no longer exists.
- Dr. Ron Paul's message to the U.S. House - 3/09/99 -
- RonPaul2008.com -
-jared-
When one person can initiate war, by its definition, a republic no longer exists.
- Dr. Ron Paul's message to the U.S. House - 3/09/99 -
- RonPaul2008.com -
I assume you're refering
to a newsletter written in rp's name?
If that's correct, the staffer that wrote it was fired and Ron Paul disavowed himself from all the contained statements.
Here are some other "controversial" statements that WERE from Paul.
Writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, Paul commented about black men in the nation's capital.
Citing statistics from a 1992 study produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, a criminal justice think tank based in Virginia, Paul concluded in his column:
"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."
"These aren't my figures," Paul said this week. "That is the assumption you can gather from" the report.
This statement is no different then Paul saying were a target of terrorist because of our foreign policy.
By saying "Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system" He is pointing out the "data" is based on a suspect and corrupt system. he then says, "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." which is obviously incorrect. The point is not that 95% of black males are semi-criminal or criminal, the point is that the data is worthless due to the existing "justice system", for example, more than 70% of the people in question were non-violent drug offenders.
His critique is of the existing system and its racial policies, not of the people oppressed by them. Any reader, who's goal is to understand the statement can do so rather easily. The alternative is no less disingenuos than Guiliani claiming that "our foreign policies effect reaction" means We are responsible for 911.
..?
Or you are right. Dunno.
yes---
That is the info I was referring to---
I came to the same conclusion to: he disavowed the info [ghost writer]and it was reported in Texas Monthly/NY Times.
***edit***
found the info:
The magazine [Texas Monthly] defended Paul's decision to protect the writer's confidence in 1996, concluding, "In four terms as a U.S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this."
In 2007, with the controversy resurfacing, the New York Times Magazine concurred that Paul denied the allegations "quite believably, since the style diverges widely from his own"; Paul actually criticizes racism as "an ugly form of collectivism."
I only brought it up to see if other RP supporters had read the same reports, came to the same conclusions.
I haven't had trouble defending Dr. P, since this issue in particular has only come up with NEO-CON RUDY/ROMNEY/THOMPSON supporters, and I read the TM/NYT info in the past.
Thanks for the input
-jared-
When one person can initiate war, by its definition, a republic no longer exists.
- Dr. Ron Paul's message to the U.S. House - 3/09/99 -
- RonPaul2008.com -
-jared-
When one person can initiate war, by its definition, a republic no longer exists.
- Dr. Ron Paul's message to the U.S. House - 3/09/99 -
- RonPaul2008.com -
Thank you
I was needing that. Thanks again.
I agree. That seems clear to me.
It seems fairly obvious that Dr. Paul was referencing the ineptitude of the D.C. Criminal Justice Dept, though his statement was not optimally worded, and does leave some literal ambiguity.
Even still, they'll try to use it as a club, as with Guy Fawkes...whoever he is!
Press on! Now we Fight...Next stage...we Win!
Speaking frankly
There are a lot of ways to help the liberty movement. One very practical way is to be a positive voice for it. To be effective, you should be prepared to combat surface level nonsense like this.
As Paul's campaign picks up steam and is seen as a more and more legitimate threat to the establishment its dectractors will start the mudslinging in earnest.
If you want to play a role in the defense of liberty it is your task to research the various slurs and educate yourself, and be prepared to defend your position intelligently.
I think it's also important to remember that this campaign is unlike any other campaign ongoing. Dr. Ron Paul is a great defender of liberty, but it's his message that is important to me and to many others. Any shortcoming of his is not the equivalent to a shortcoming in the message.
First, ask yourself if you honestly believe that Ron Paul will attempt to accomplish his stated goals. If you believe he will, as i do, then the rest of your energy is best spent with the message. Dr Paul said it himself on his CSPAN interview, when asked how he felt about his "ferverent" supporters he said something to the effect of, "It kind of worries me, because i don't see myself as that important, to me, the message is far more important than who delivers it."
Take that to heart from the man himself. Trust Ron Paul because of his integrity and his 20 year voting record, but trust the message more because that's what Paul himself is invested in.
People that impugn Paul personally are doing so because they can not debate the substance of the campaign. Don't let them off so easily.
Couldn't have said it any better
I've been able to counter these personal attacks so far. Many more have been lobbed since Dr. Paul's campaign has become a-buzz with more life than we could have imagined!
Well, I think we all imagined how the campaign would take off, it's the media that are just now getting 'tuned-in', soon the public will be moved and 'turned-on" to this message of liberty, but unlike Tim Leary's final suggestion of 'dropping-out' [accidently set up his old 60s counter-culture motto, decided to run with it]--- Dr. Paul's supporters will not drop-out, but mobilize and work tirelessly at their own expense to support the Constitution ---- it just so happens Dr. Paul is the vehicle for that message in 2008.
cheers on a job well done, but not done yet!
-jared-
When one person can initiate war, by its definition, a republic no longer exists.
- Dr. Ron Paul's message to the U.S. House - 3/09/99 -
- RonPaul2008.com -
-jared-
When one person can initiate war, by its definition, a republic no longer exists.
- Dr. Ron Paul's message to the U.S. House - 3/09/99 -
- RonPaul2008.com -
Funny you mention Tim Leary
Dr. Paul actually reminds me a little of Tim Leary when he speaks. Very similar voice.
My girlfriend described Dr. Paul as adorable. I thought that was so funny, but he really kind of is. That's why it is so good to show people videos of RP. They fall in love with him. And for all the right reasons.
No Wonder Hannity gets in such a huff over Dr. Paul...
Dr. Paul is better looking!
Ha, Ha, Hannity! Paleo-Median! Better stick to radio!