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Major Stock Market Crash Ahead?... Comparing 1929 to 2008

Credit to Republicae: http://www.webpennys.com/commentary/comparing_1929_to_2008.html

Reviewing the history of the great stock market crash of 1929, its hard not to see the uncanny similarity that can be drawn between present time and the lead up to the great stock market crash of 1929........

Following the great stock market crash of 1929, the US Govt. created the Pecora Commission in 1932 to study what had caused the great crash, to learn about and then adjust financial policy to prevent a similar stock market crash in the future.

One of the main factors the Pecora Commission cited as a possible cause for the 1929 crash was the wide range of abusive practices on the part of banks and bank affiliates... these abusive practices included a variety of conflicts of interest such as the underwriting of unsound securities in order to pay off bad bank loans as well as "pool operations" to support the price of bank stocks... following the the Pecora Commission, the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 was established to protect the public against the abuses made by the banking industry, unfortuntely; 70 years later, Wall Street interests were able to repeal Glass-Steagall Act in 1999.

With the Glass-Steagall Act repealed 1999, Wall Street was able to start its slow-motion repeat of the banking circumstances preceeding the 1929 crash, for example; the current US Secretary of Treasury is none other than an ex-CEO of the Wall Street giant investment bank; Goldman Sachs... Goldman Sachs has been heavily involved in the securitization business on Wall Street over the past decade... securitization is a buzzword for the packaging of debt which is then sold to investors, products like; sub-prime mortgages, CDO's, ABCP's, etc, etc, which have now been found to be riddled with fraud... and which are now at the base of Wall Streets problems.
To me, it looks like Wall Street has essentially already committed the same malfeasance that ultimately lead to the great stock market crash of 1929... so, in my opinion, any major bailout that Hank Paulson is able to swindle out of the US taxpayer will only delay the painful re-adjustments coming to US stock markets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecora_Commission http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Paulson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Paulson#Career_highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbD62gNi9WE




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Republicae's picture

I wrote this on SUNDAY,

I wrote this on SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2006

The Difference Between Now and the 1930s

There are a great many similarities between the economic indicators today and those of the late 1920s, but there are differences that are even more important than the similarities.

The parallels are more or less obvious, but it is the differences that should actually concern us regarding any comparisons between what we face today as opposed to what we faced in the Crash of 29 and the Great Depression of the 30s.

One of the biggest and perhaps one of the most potentially devastating is the U.S. Trade Deficit and the National Debt. Once again, while the similarities pose a serious problem, the differences pose a grave threat that the people who endured the Great Depression never had to worry about. Actually, the U.S. and the People of that day were much more “prepared”, if you can call it that, then we are now in 2006. Even the government was much more capable of handling the disaster then than it is now.

Today, many children and even young adults under the age of 35 were brought up watching TV, playing video games and have spent their time shopping at the malls. Few, very few know how to use a hoe or grow a vegetable. The vast majority of people are now concentrated in urban settings, family farms are scarce and most people have no concept of what it would mean to survive without the corner grocery store or without 24/7 access to electricity.

The overall indebtedness of both the public and private sectors will weigh heavily on both the governments and the publics ability to weather the coming storm. On top of that indebtedness is the massive trade imbalance; at least in the 1930s we still had something to actually sell to other countries, today that is not the case. Our manufacturing ability has been decimated through the various policies, agreements and the inflationary pressures, which have removed much of the profit out of the manufacturing business; therefore we now produce very little.

By 1934, Roosevelt had devalued the Dollar, but it was still considered relatively strong, that along with Trade helped immeasurability during the Depression. Today, we have neither! We have become a debtor nation, borrowing an estimated $2.5 Billion per day, everyday, year after year. Soon that will stop, we will no longer be able to borrow because no one will be willing to lend. Soon Foreign investors will decide its time to get out of the Dollar, actually it’s already happening and that will put enormous downward pressure on our economy as it pushes the Dollar into the dirt and hyper-inflation shoots through the roof.

In the 1930s, U.S. Trade was at a surplus and for that matter the Dollar was still backed to a degree by gold, although on a fractional basis by the end of the 30s. So, we were in a positive position when we were leading up to the Crash of 29 and the Great Depression of the 30s, now we are deep in the negative. The positive Trade Balance had a “softening” effect on the Great Depression; indeed it provided the government with a medium of recovery that, of course, is sorely lacking today.

As with any Trade Deficit, there is the other side of the coin, which is the Manufacturing Base, you rarely have one without the other. In fact, they mirror each other over the past few decades, both in a downward spiral as cheap foreign labor and products invade the once thriving U.S. marketplace. Both are economic cancers eating away at the flesh of this Nations health and security. Anytime you destroy the manufacturing base of a country you will automatically destroy the ability of that country to produce wealth and therefore the prosperity and wellbeing of the people. When you have nothing to produce, then you have little to invest in and when you have little to invest in you have few investors willing to invest over the long-term. The cycle then becomes tighter where fewer and fewer investors feel the need to invest in a country that has so little to offer in return.

We have become a Nation of consumers, but consumers are becoming much easier to find around the world, and most of the other consumer nations are also producer nations with a growing wealth base due to their manufacturing ability. Consumers who do not also produce will be of little value, especially if that consumer nation has to borrow in order to consume. As soon as more and more countries become wealthier by their manufacturing base, we will become far less important to the world of trade. After all who would you rather sell to: someone who has the money to pay you or someone who has to borrow the money and then turn around and pay you with the very money they just borrowed?

In Liberty,
Republicae-Seditionist

“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The people like those best who fool them most by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.

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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes

And then there are the huge differences.

Most of America was agrarian in 1929. Most could grow enough to eat and hunting and fishing were an option for way more people than today. Hard physical labor was likewise the norm while today few are prepared for hard survival-related tasks. Today hardship for a sizable portion of the public means making their free money from the government last till their next free check. Rather than toil, these people will try to keep getting stuff for free -- *your* stuff!

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

just wait till the

just wait till the government can't give the freeloaders anymore "stuff' then they will riot in the streets to steal and destroy everyone elses stuff!

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

"Ineptocracy: a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confisc

bigmikedude's picture

"your stuff!"

We all know how important our "stuff" is...

WARNING: George Carlin. PG for the entire video. He did good until the very end. Rated R at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLoge6QzcGY