Any Biblical Scholars help me with this ignorant email...

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> This is a matter of opinion and opinions
> are like (well you know) everybody has one.
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> My personal
opinion? I agree.
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> If after reading this email you disagree,
> Please, no need to reply back to me. Your opinion is yours
> and that's fine, just delete it.
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> A lot of Americans have become so
> insulated from reality that they imagine that America can
> suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.
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> Pause a moment, reflect back.
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> These events are actual events from
> history..
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> They really happened!!!
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> Do you remember?
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> 1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed
> by a Muslim male extremist.
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2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics,
> athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim male
> extremists.
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> 3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was
> taken over by Muslim male extremists.
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> 4. During the 1980's a number of
> Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim male
> extremists.
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> 5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in
> Beirut was blown up by Muslim male extremists.
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> 6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro
> was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was
> murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim
> male extremists.
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> 7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at
> Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers
> was murdered by Muslim
male extremists.
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> 8. In 1988 , Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed
> by Muslim male extremists.
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> 9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was
> bombed the first time by Muslim male extremists.
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> 10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya
> and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim male extremists.
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> 11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were
> hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World
> Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the
> US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the
> passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim male
> extremists.
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> 12. In 2002 the United States fought a
> war in Afghanistan against Muslim male extremists.
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13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was
> kidnapped and murdered by-- you guessed it-- Muslim male
> extremists.
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> No, I really don't see a pattern here
> to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans
> never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing
> us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to
> profile certain people... Absolutely No Profiling!
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> They must conduct random searches of
> 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper
> identification, secret agents who are members of the
> President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen
> with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former
> Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males alone lest they
> be guilty of profiling.
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> According to The
Book of Revelations:
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> The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his
> 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with
> persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like
> appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him
> and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he
> is in power, he will destroy everything.
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> And Now:
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> For the award winning Act of Stupidity Of
> all times the People of America want to elect, to the most
> Powerful position on the face of the Planet -- The
> Presidency of the United states of America ... A Male of
> Muslim descent who is the most extremely liberal Senator in
> Congress (in other words an extremist) and in his 40s.
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> Have the American People completely lost
> their
Minds, or just their Power of Reason ???
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> I'm sorry but I refuse to take a
> chance on the 'unknown' candidate Obama...
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> Let's send this to as many people as
> we can so that the Gloria Aldreds and other stupid attorneys
> along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common
> sense, feel ashamed of themselves -- if they have any such
> sense.
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> As the writer of the award winning story
> 'Forrest Gump' so aptly put it,
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> 'Stupid Is As Stupid Does'
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> Each opportunity that you have to send it
> to a friend or media outlet...do it!
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> or again. . . just delete if you
> disagree.
My response was...

Where in Revelations is this? I highly doubt this is specific to a Muslim man... Let's think for a minute and remember the bible was written before Muhammad established the muslim religion. Tell Sally to come up with the specific passage, until I see this, I consider this email being ignorant and rascist....

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U.S. occupy??

WE as AMERICAN have NOT occupied their land ..THAT is a LIE...DO you know of any AMERICANS that have taken root in IRAQ..WHO are they ????..OCCUPATION & fortification is two seperate issues ..GET IT RIGHT..
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BIBLE FACTS

THE CORRECT Bible title is: THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST...
THIS is the story of a, heaven & earth account, (or view), into the events leading up to & proceeding & follow through of GOD in the form of, JESUS THE CHRIST,of HIS return to earth to set up & establish HIS kingdom on this earth, FOREVER...AS EARTH today is RULED by SATAN & his angels ...MAN is just caught in the middle, so to speak...THIS is a video of the CREATOR returning to claim back what he originally made..SATAN shall be cast out into utter darkness for 1000years....CHRIST returns as KING OF KING & LORD OF LORDS, with POWER & GREAT GLORY & a TWO EDGED SWORD ,(speach)... HE RULES & REIGNS in Jerusalem the center of HIS kindom rule on earth ....THIS is a pre- knowledge reference book for those who may be here on earth before HIS return..IN this is the tansfer from the DISPENSATION of GRACE ,to THE DISPENSATION of the KINGDOM on earth which is spoken of on the MT of OLIVES in the BOOK of Mathew...THE Sermon on the MOUNT, which laid out the laws to be used during the KINGDOM age...THESE laws are not in place today because the Jewish people interrupted HIS implimentation of the KINGDOM by crucifying HIM..HE foreknew all that would take place, and proceeded then to turn to the GENTILE people because of the Jewish unbelief that crucified HIM...THAT is TODAY still IMPLIMENTED & known as the age of the DISPENSATION of GRACE.....GRACE TO ALL men Jew & GENTILE...A call to saving GRACE in HIM...THAT is a short story of this book in the BIBLE...
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hello?

on all accounts, we've occupied their land.

watch the first half hour of

watch the first half hour of this (the bottom movie)
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm

Yeah been there done that

It was a total waste of time and my life.

Too Much Jack Van Impe

I think some people on here have been watching too much Jack Van Impe!!!!

His wife Rexella sure is a beaut!!!!!!

Prophecy nowadays is like the Globe or any of those other check out line magazines......

especially

if your reading learning about it in the "globe" or any other check out lines.. :O)

Your response was just fine.

Others have made valid rebuttal points here, and others are just bat-shit-snorting looney, but the fact that they can't cite chapter and verse, and are ignorant of when Revelations was even written and why, just proves that the whole thing is garbage.

Plus it happens to be one of a few of these ilk emails still floating around the web. Best to just junk mail it, because that's really what it is.

Just a question..

but according to your understanding "why" was Revelations written? I just like to get other peoples view of things, and I promise to be completely respectful of your viewpoint. Unlike others around here I understand that we don't all think exactly alike, and wouldn't it be a boring world if we did!

To shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass

Even though the climax in the great struggle takes place in the very end of human history when all the world is arraigned in two opposing camps, the controversy between Christ and Satan has been going on since the begining of time...... It started in heaven with the rebellion of Lucifer against God’s rule of the universe...... The story of that beautiful angel who coveted the position of God Himself is revealed through a number of Old Testament prophetic writings. Isaiah says in reference to this glorious being:.. “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.” Isaiah 14:12-14....
The seeds of that selfish revolt of one leading angel spread rapidly to affect the loyalty of other angels....Soon one third of the heavenly host had joined the disaffection of Lucifer, and the great controversy was under way—a controversy that was to rage for a very long time, and which would finally demand the decision of every living creature in heaven and on earth......
The immediate result of the discord was war in heaven that climaxed in the complete expulsion of Lucifer from the presence of God and the loyal angels. John describes it this way: “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven..... And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:7-9....
No more was the fallen angel to be known as Lucifer, signifying “star of the morning,” but Satan which means “adversary.” The conflict had now been transferred from heaven down to this earth..... Here it will continue until it reaches a desperate climax in the division of earth’s multitudes for or against the commandments of God..... Just as the rebellion began by disloyalty to the authority of God, so it will end by a defiance of His authority as vested in the law of His government.....
Satan has been here with his evil angels from the time he was banished from the regions of light...... With devilish cunning, he has experimented with successive forms of warfare against God and His plan for this world.... Through various insidious approaches, he has continued his efforts to overthrow the authority of God.....
Every generation has witnessed a new manifestation of that evil power in its untiring warfare with Heaven’s program to save the world.... The final form of the enemy opposition will be that of the beast of Revelation 13. That counterfeit power will be set up in deadly conflict with the commandments of God.... The whole world will be called to take sides. The confederation of evil will consolidate for a desperate last-ditch struggle to engage the loyalty of earth’s inhabitants..... The issues will be clearly revealed, and no one can remain neutral. ...Obedience to God or to Satan, as manifested through the beast power, will be the only alternatives open to man.....(Peace)

"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."

"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."

To prepare the church.

It's interesting you should read it.

To prepare the

church, and more specifically to recognize the true Christ (vs anti-Christ).
Revelation= to reveal.

The very first verse is God's take on it:.
The Revelation KJV 1611-

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass: and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John.

Few tips: revelation in Greek = apokalupsis whence our "Apocalypse"
shew = point out
shortly=with (Gr en) speed
sent=having sent
things=what things must needs come to pass. See Dan 2:29

PS: Everything I hear from Dale tells me that he has not only read the Bible, but that he could recognize a wolf- in -sheep's clothing from more than a "pulpit's" distance away.

I sure hope I can

I think it was honestly a case of "lets read the first line" then comment. I really do appreciate what I read, there is always room to grow and expand in your thoughts on the subject. Thank you.

That is

one of the verses my dad believes is pointing to the fact that Revelation came to pass about 70 A.D.

The passage in John 21 about "If I will that he (John) tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" is another hint, though John goes on in the next verse to say, "yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry, what is that to thee?".

There are other verses my dad uses to back up his belief, but I don't remember them right now.

read what?

Your not assuming that I've never read Revelations just because I asked a question are you? Obviously you didn't read what I had to say..it's interesting you should read it.

and thank you for your thoughts on the subject

Wow...what a reach

There's nothing in Revelation about the Antichrist being a Muslim, his age, or anything else.

I can say with absolute certanty that Barack Obama is not the Antichrist. I say that because the Antichrist has already come, has already won, and has been dead for nearly 2 millenia.

The Antichrist's name was Nero Ceasar. He won because he nationalized the first Christian church and twisted the message through political garble. The prophecy came true, and Christ's true message has been lost to history.

John (or whomever wrote Revelation) said that the Antichrist would come in his lifetime. He's dead.

Note: This is not to say that Obama will not destroy this country, just that the Bible did not predict it.

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Uh... WHAT?!

There's nothing in Revelation about the Antichrist being a Muslim, his age, or anything else.

I can say with absolute certanty that Barack Obama is not the Antichrist.

So far so good....

I say that because the Antichrist has already come, has already won, and has been dead for nearly 2 millenia. The Antichrist's name was Nero Ceasar. He won because he nationalized the first Christian church and twisted the message through political garble. The prophecy came true, and Christ's true message has been lost to history.

Okay, I think you are very confused. First, Nero did not nationalize Christianity. He opposed it bitterly and killed thousands of Christians in the worst oppression in probably the history of the church culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

Constantine was the emperor who nationalized Christianity and started what would become the Holy Roman Empire. This was truly a sad day for the church, but it certainly wasn't its death-nail. Despite this setback, the church continued to thrive and grow -- the gospel was not lost. This is why we still have it today. Christ's "true" message has survived throughout the centuries and is seen in the lives and hearts of those who are committed to Him.

Now, back to Nero. It is true that many believe him to be the "beast" described in Revelation -- specifically the man identified by 666 (Nero, spelled out in Latin, forms this number). However, just as many Old Testament prophecies refer to multiple events within the same passage (Christ's first and second coming or the King of Tyre and the fall of Lucifer for examples), it is quite likely that Revelation referred to the events of the fall of Jerusalem as well as a future tribulation.

What it comes down to is that it is still up for interpretation. Many of the events described in Revelation have not yet happened, so we cannot simply say that the book is fulfilled. There is just as much reason to believe that the coming New World Order is a fulfillment of Revelation prophecies.

Not only that, and I expect plenty of hate..

The Roman Catholic church claims that the pope is Christ on Earth, and is unfalliable... The horrors brought to man by the Roman Catholic church throughout history is unmeasurable. In fact most, if not all, protestant reformation leaders preached against the "pope position" from the beginning. But now you will not hear anyone preach against the RCC, or the government and its actions. I am not saying that Roman Catholics are bad and doomed. I am saying that the Position of Pope is wrong, and misleading millions and millions of people. The Word tells me that I can go to God in prayer to have my sins forgiven, yet the Pope claims that I have to pray through him. The Pope is not Christ, but yet he has set himself up as "God on Earth" just as God told us he would.

I believe personally that is where the churches now stand in awe...and ignore the happenings around them. No one speaks out aginast a church who was all for the holocaust, and churches won't speak out against the government because they are afraid of losing their tax free status. To trade the souls and minds of their flock for a few bucks.. That is why I personally need only the Word of God, and fellowship with my fellow men and women who are believers. I don' t need a man standing at a pulpit to tell me what God wants, or how to believe or think. The Word is God. What else do you need?

Amen..

To sell our souls for tax exempt status...is that like worshipping money as an idol? Yes!

why

yes it is....

amen brother

preach it.

Sounds sexist to me...

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Well, even if...

he can find some obscure passage that when you read it upside down and backwards while squint really hard has a metaphorical meaning that could be taken to imply that... it doesn't change the fact that Obama IS NOT A MUSLIM.

See that's what really pisses me off about folks who spout this kinda junk, It just makes everyone else who has a legitimate grip about Obama's policy positions look like a jerk through association.

And further more this guys is giving a very VERY one sided point of view of the past century... He conveniently leaves out the part where we overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran and install the Shaw, the fact that a whole shit ton of non-radical Muslims were radicalized by creation of the state of Israel, and the bit about us supporting/radicalizing the Muslims in Afghanistan in order stick it to those Godless commies in Russia.

When you stack up all of that (plus all the other stuff I don't really feel like listing right now) the question you really should be asking is: Why the hell haven't more of them come over here and tried to blow stuff up?

Since when has being

Since when has being "extremely liberal" meant an "extremist"? The word extremist itself is an opinion, along with "extremely liberal. Plus, Jesus has been referred to as an "extremist". Therefore the author has lost his "power of reason" and is just proving that he is doing as he does. Stupid.

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12 events since 1968 (if you

12 events since 1968 (if you believe all of those stories, also I'm not counting # 12) thats nothing compared to what America and/or Americans have done in the past 40 years,
We've attacked Iraq Twice, Grenada, the Sudan, Afghanistan twice, Cuba, Vietnam, Serbia, Libya, Korea, Bosnia, and even Cambodia. And America killed MILLIONS!!
Not to mention here at home, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Kent State...Are these the acts of Christian Extremeists?

Extreme

Christians should be Extreme followers of Christ which would mean Peace, Love and Fighting Injustice.

Nope not Christian..

but rather wolves in sheep's clothing. Just as Busche claims to be a devout Christian, but yet what actions point towards his faith? The lies? The murderous warfare? The stealing of God given liberties? Where exactly is his Christian faith?

Matthew 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Exactly what kind of "fruit" does Busche put out? And while on the topic of fruit, does the apple not fall far from the tree? Prescott Busche wanted to overthrow our government and install a fascist government just like Nazi Germany..he didn't succeed, but yet his son and grandson have installed that government without a shot being fired. We have a lot of work to do.

Have you heard of the Black Regiment?

or what these Bush Cheney, and all the other scum of the earth may try using 501c3's?

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers

There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer

No I haven't...please go on..

I'll have to look into that..

edit: did a search and found this letter from Chuck Baldwin..this has certainly peaked my interest...

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070724.html