-> HEY!! Who sponsored the $700B bailout bill???? <-
EDIT: I had originally begun this post with the following:
Excuse me; I hope this isn't too dunderheaded, but...um...
I have a new introduction:
DO WE HAVE EVEN A CLUE AS TO HOW THIS PROPOSAL GOT INTRODUCED TO CONGRESS??
Some more edits, now that some more detective work has been completed, and since the President has addressed the nation:
Can we also please recognize that this is a "PROPOSAL" and NOT a "bill"???
- Yep, this is only "suggested legislation" at this point. The President does have the power to recommend legislation -- Per Article 2, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:
[The President] shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;
So, okay -- in tonight's speech, Bush said "I proposed..." and "my proposal;" whether that means he alone or his administration or his super secret decoder ring club, he is clearly accepting the responsibility for the proposal. That's, "proposal," because it is not yet a bill, even though everyone's calling it that.
Let's move on --
Can we also please recognize that, per Article 1, Section 7, BILLS to raise revenue can only be introduced in the House of Representatives??
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
That means, in order for something to become a bill, it MUST be sponsored by a member of Congress -- the Prez himself cannot make it a bill.
Some have speculated that, since B.O. and InSane are going to D.C. on Thursday to help the Prez garner support for this proposal, that one or both of those men will sponsor the item to officially introduce it into Congress for a vote.
NO CAN DO: sponsorship MUST be done ONLY by a member of the House of Representatives. B.O. and InSane are both senators.
*** THIS ENTIRE BAILOUT -- PROPOSAL INCLUDED! -- IS THUS FAR UNCONSTITUTIONAL ***
I am REALLY looking forward to finding out who the four members of the House of Representatives are who were reported in the Drudge Report as supporting the proposal. That's who Bush will get to sponsor the piece; you watch.
Okay, I'll stop yelling. You may now read on in peace:
Q. Who introduced this $700B bailout bill?
A: Evidently, Bush is claiming responsibility (although I'm sure he wasn't alone in crafting the piece)
Q. It's been presented to both the Senate and the House, right? All done with both houses?
A. Presented, yes; but, officially voted on? Can't have been, as it is NOT a bill, remember, despite everyone calling it a "bill."
Q. What's the Senate bill number? What's the House bill number?
A. No number assigned yet, because it's not a bill yet!
Q. A bill must be introduced by a member of Congress, right? So who introduced and sponsored (and co-sponsored) this bill?
A. See above. A sponsor may suddenly arise from the House on Thursday.
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I, uh...don't see any information on this anywhere. I'm a-googling, but I'm coming up dry. What, did the bill appear out of thin air, like so many fiat dollars? Perhaps I myself just missed it.
If you can point me to these details, I'll quickly delete this post. However, did we kinda sorta maybe miss how this bill was even introduced?




















...and STILL...not yet a bill.
Just a reminder that with all this crafting and drafting, we STILL do not have a sponsor, and therefore, do not have a bill.
Remember this, if it tries to go to a vote.
Dude,
I am now a fan of "fanofwalt"...
Keep it up, bro!
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Yours in Liberty,
Shovel
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote..." ~ Ben Franklin
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Thanks for the info
I added it to my handout here:
http://www.ronpaulforumpa.com/smf/index.php?topic=887.msg290...
http://killfiat.blogspot.com/
Listening to Bonnie Frank
rant and rave all this week, I'm sure he would step up to the table and sponsor this. Do you?
Just saw this on rense
http://votenobailout.org/
Could be
He is a member of the House of Representatives -- man, that phrase just sticks in my throat, now -- so he certainly could sponsor the proposal and make it a bill.
I'm wondering how quickly this will go from being designated as a bill, and being voted into law. Anyone want to guess?
I wonder what Barney has
I wonder what Barney has stuck down his throat!
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Do we get to fingerprint the crooks who leveraged
the mortgages to depths of hell? Crooks like Paulson?
what is even more interesting
is if you try to see what the article calls a "revised" edition of the bailout, you click the link and you get- the file is damaged and could not be repaired. so there you go- there is a bill that i can't find and the revision of the file is damaged and cannot be repaired
~peace
~peace
ya'll will LOVE this...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9951420-38.html
~peace
~peace
I actually just screamed out loud
The link freespeech posted goes to a story entitled:
Housing bailout bill creates national fingerprint registry
Excerpts:
Take this to the Top
Fanofwalt ,,,
If voting could really change things,
it would be illegal. Here is hoping for change!
THANK YOU for pointing that out.
i would have missed it.
That's very nice. WHERE'S THE FREAKING BILL??
Hi there. It's Saturday, September 27, 2008.
The New York Times is reporting today that a consensus on the Wall Street rescue plan is said to be near.
Excerpt:
Like, um, maybe a BILL NUMBER? And a SPONSOR from the House of Representatives, perhaps?
A few minutes ago (11:30am Pacific time)
I saw that it was at 100 pages and growing
Wow! Good point....
I was so disgusted with the whole thing, my thoughts didn't even go there....good job...
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This is still _not_ a bill
Just a reminder: this "proposal" that practically everyone is calling a "bill" is NOT a bill!
It must first be sponsored by a member of the House of Representatives (because it's regarding raising revenue) in order for it to become a bill!
Legislators cannot (legally!) vote on a proposal. Such action would be completely non-binding, except for in the fantasy world of our president and his cohorts in this crime.
Has anyone heard word of this bailout proposal being sponsored and becoming an actual bill? If so, who is the sponsor(s)? I have heard no such information yet, and believe me, I've been looking.
Fan
Let us know. As McCain says I have a pen we'll get their names and make them famous !!
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Indeed.
Let's at least try to hold them accountable. Otherwise, why are we here?
You mean, I could just be eating bon bons and watching Days of our Lives all this time? ;)
Apparently,
Do you think Marlena will save John's mind? :)
IT'S DOABLE
Alpacas - IT'S DOABLE
Too late
NO ONE can save his mind.
Oh -- or did you mean a different John? ;)
His mind is not worth saving
(unless you have a different John in mind)
Apparently it was drawn up months ago
http://www.prisonplanet.com/white-house-admits-it-drew-up-ba...
They have been planning this all along
Sick!
That means King Bush has been coming on TV assuring the American people our economy was strong, When he knew all along. he even said tonight in the middle of all this mess that the American people should have confidence blablablabla
What does one more lie mean
in this government's 'ocean of lies'.
Of course he and his cronies have known. They are waiting to make this bailout, the Robbery of robberies, hit off, cream off as much money as they can in this last bid and they are off, to their overseas abodes. The next group of gangsters will continue their work.
They won't hesitate (is my guess) to cause a bloodbath to get what they want.
Bernanke, Paulson, many, many, many Lobbiests
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It is a Proposal, do not believe it is a Bill...
I still say no.....and I will be writing my legislators and telling them to vote no, or they will be sorry.
Paulson wrote it out on a dinner napkin.
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’In accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.’ (George Orwell, 1984)