Breaking News: FDIC To Seize Washington Mutual And Sell Deposits to J.P. Morgan

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This will be the largest bank failure in history.

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Actually, they seized WaMu and *GAVE* it to JPMorgan for free...

JPMorgan will NOT have to pay the WaMu shareholders a single penny!

All JPMorgan is required to do is put a "reserve" payment into the system appropriate to cover the FDIC "requirements" for the deposit assets that JPM is getting from the deal.

Basically, this is a *gift* of several hundred BILLION dollars worth of assets (some of them hard assets in the form of commercial real-estate, all of WaMu's buildings, etc) to JPMorgan, and the complete magical "dissappearance" of any rights of the shareholders, depositors or even the creditors of WaMu.

This is the equivalent of a THUG stealing your home, your cars, and your business, and then taking a bribe from the person they hand it over to. And BTW, they didn't even bother to let the BOARD or CEO of WaMu know about it -- they simply sent out the press release! (And something tells me there WILL be lawsuits as a result of this... from TPG if not from the other remaining shareholders -- the whole thing is highly illegal and deeply suspect).

All without a SINGLE "judge" intervening in any way, shape or form -- there was no "bankruptcy" ruling here, no due process at all for the shareholders, just an executive branch "decision". (So much for the fourth amendment against unreasonable search and SEIZURE of private property without due process).

Seig Heil to Deputy Fuhrer Paulson!

In my opinion the stock

is nothing more than a legal ponzie scheme.

May 7, 2004
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THE STOCK MARKET AS PONZI SCHEMEA
(Warning: some financial math ahead.)

A Ponzi scheme, named after its early 20th century inventor Carlo Ponzi, is a form of pyramid scheme. Basically it involves selling a nearly worthless security to a small group of investors, with the promise of great returns if they promote the security to more investors, and so on, ideally, forever. Like any pyramid scheme or chain letter, of course, it eventually collapses when it runs out of suckers. The first ones in get rich, and the last ones in (much greater in number) get shafted.

As we all know, the stock market is focused on the short term, and fluctuates wildly in response to a single quarter's earnings, external economic events, even rumour. If you look at it holistically and long-term, however, it has all the markings of a century-long Ponzi scheme, the most lucrative, and potentially most devastating, in history.

Let's take a look at the US S&P 500 as a surrogate for the entire stock market, the entire market for equity securities of listed public corporations. The index goes back to 1917, but was revamped in the 1940s and recalibrated so that the index for the average of 1941-43 was 10. It slowly rose to 100 over the next 50 years, and then to 1000 over the next 12 years.

This broad index earned, in 2003, about $55 per average share of the component securities, using GAAP (generally accepted accounting principles). So at its current level of about 1100, it has a P/E (price-to-earnings) ratio of about 20. That means investors are willing to pay $1100 now for a share that will theoretically 'pay back' $55 next year, and hopefully successively more in future years, to justify the 'present value' of $1100. To think of ir another way, it's like a bank charging you $55 this year, $65, say, next year, and so on for at least 50 years, as 'interest' on a loan of $1100. The 5% interest in the first year isn't very attractive for such a risky 'loan', but since future 'interest' will be dependent on (hopefully rising) earnings, there is the prospect of a very lucrative return eventually.

So the S&P 500, like all equities, is said to 'discount expected future cash flows'. A general rule of thumb says that the P/E ratio approximates the annual expected growth in earnings, so that means the investor in the market is expecting earnings to grow by close to 20% each year, essentially forever. How is that possible? Well, it isn't. Earnings grow because (a) prices increase, (b) costs decrease, and/or (c) volume increases. In a 'free' market economy, prices are determined (theoretically, now) by competition -- new competitors will enter the market, and/or existing competitors will adjust their prices, to the point that their return on invested capital is just high enough to justify the investment risk. That level, in a low-inflation economy where the alternative 'risk-free' investment in GICs and bonds is only 2%, is roughly a modest 7%, with the extra 5% compensating the investor for the risk implicit in equities. And, in the long run, volume can't increase -- there's only so much market for anything, and once it's saturated, earnings should therefore level off at a flat rate.

Let's suppose we've more or less reached that state now. Let's also set aside the fact that the $55 earned last year by the average share is likely considerably inflated -- there are undoubtedly some more undetected Enron-type exaggerations out there in some of these 500 companies, and GAAP allows capitalization of stock options and other near-fraudulent practices that significantly overstate 'true' earnings. Is the $55 a fair return on investment in these companies? To answer that question we need to calculate what the investment is. According to the S&P, this $55 represents a 17% return on investment. In other words, the net assets or 'book' value of the average share is $55/17% or about $325. We already indicated that a reasonable return, given the risk, was 7%, which on $325 would be about $22 per share.

Why are stocks earnings $55 per share when in a 'free' market they should only be earning $22? To answer this we need to look at the three components that make up ROI (or more correctly, return on equity -- ROE). These three components are: Margin (profit/sales), Turnover (sales/assets), and Leverage (assets/equity). Leverage can be inflated by excessive borrowing, which companies can get away with in times of low interest, but which boomerang when interest rates spike. Leverage can also be inflated by stock buy-backs, where the company essentially uses excess cash flow to buy back its own stock and hence increase the value per share of the remaining stock -- but this is a form of cannibalization, and leads to the same imbalance between debt and equity. Neither is sustainable. Turnover can be increased by lowering inventories, factoring and off-balance-sheet financing, but ultimately tops out -- you need to have a certain amount of money tied up one way or another in assets to be able to run an effective business. So you're left with Margin, which ultimately is the only explanation for the enormous ROE of $55/share, when in a free competitive market someone should be willing to accept $22/share.

Read more

http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2004/05/07.html#a723

30 billion

on debt and preferred stock gone. Poof !! Do you think there will be more people joining the ranks of protesters against this scam of the century? Tune in tomorrow. For some reason Friday seems to be always a key day for major turning points.

Look at the losses

On the Yahoo finance message board, people are listing their WaMu losses. Well over 200 people have thus far listed the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars they have lost.

This is one of those times that I'm happy to be mostly broke. I don't own a shred of stock. Which is just as well, because most stock now seems to be shredded.

It's all my fault...

A few weeks ago, I called their back office regarding my HELOC and got some snooty lady. She pissed me off, so I told her that "I hope your bank goes under," and she hung up on me. I hate WAMU. It's all my fault.

CALL BUSH NEXT!!!!

and hope he gets impeached!

Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?

Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?

If I see another freaking

If I see another freaking bailout.....

link to story

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122238415586576687.html

"You are a den of Vipers.I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out."

For an informed citizenry, individuals must discard the television set in favor of the acquisition of information via either books and/or the internet. An uneducated populous will remain in ignorance and thus continue to suffer the sharp ax of tyranny.

JP morgan is going to end up with it all anyways

Why should we the people let him put his hand in our tax dollor?

I just posted a message on the Yahoo WaMu board

Directing people to go check out CampaignForLiberty.com

Log on with your Yahoo account (or get one, quick) and echo the call. These people need to find Ron Paul, and right away!!!

Lots of unhappy campers, there...

Here's the Yahoo WaMu discussion board -- thanks to xntryk1.

People are threatening suicide

If it were just one person, I'd think hyperbole, but I've seen a number of people posting on the Yahoo boards that they are ending it all.

Reminiscent of '29?

I really, really, really hope these people are merely exaggerating. I think at least some are not.

That would be stupid in the

That would be stupid in the extreme. Even if you are living on the streets, you have something to look forward to.

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

agree

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Exactly. "The sinews of war

Exactly.

"The sinews of war are infinite money" ~ Cicero

"The sinews of war are infinite money" ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero

there you have it people...

bush got some money now and has bribed the congress. take a look... http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/25/campaign.wrap/index.html

~peace

~peace

J P morgan started the Fed and are going to be the big winners

in this manufactured crisis

If voting could really change things,
it would be illegal. Here is hoping for change!

J.P. Morgan certainly seems to be teacher's pet

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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul

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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul

Wow, xntryk1

That board is updating at something like 2 to 3 messages per second.

Latest I'm seeing? WaMu stock is now worth the big goose egg.

Best I could find

Best I could find http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/jp-morgan-buy-wamus-operations/story.aspx?guid={1590B936-7E24-491B-A7CA-604E8CF96593}&dist=morenews

Try this

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122238415586576687.html

If voting could really change things,
it would be illegal. Here is hoping for change!

That's no confirmation,

That's no confirmation, that's a MAYBE. Regardless, there needs to be NO government involvement, just let the market rebalance itself.

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

Found nothing on Google yet

If you have a link to share, please share it. No time to be messing around, link, link, link your sources !

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Give us a link. According to

Give us a link.

According to my info, this is not settled.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/washington-mutual-seek...

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

Source?

for this information?

link?

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Please supply a link.Thanks