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Question from abroad about the US military

I`ve got a question, I`m not American and I live in Germany.

You Americans spend a lot of money on those wars in Irak, Pakistan and all the place where US citizen in uniforms and under military command by a bunch of criminals spend their time right now.
I`m very concerned about the US and I learned to love the country through the Ron Paul movement. I feel kind of like an American. I like the original idea of what it used to mean.

My question is:

Wouldn`t it be possible for the US army to revolt?
I mean, they are supposed to protect you guys, aren`t they?
I`m sure they are 99% really great guys who love their country.
Would it be possible to contact many soldiers by family members and ask their fathers, brothers and sons to come back home?
Is there any chance? How bad must things get that it becomes imaginable that for once in a while the US army will do something really important and sane?
What does happen, if your government imposes some kind of martial law?
Would the US army come and help its fellow citizen?
Some kind of resistance like the Germans who tried to get Hitler?
I mean, the enemy is in Washington, not Bagdad.
Or would the soldiers never doubt that their government is right and obey the orders like most of the German soldiers did?

Best whishes to all the Paulites!



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sempiternal; I have been there too..WE would have to reach to an office that can bypass the PRES. to do anything with the MILITARY
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Most are very unlikely to revolt unless it gets far worse.

From the very beginning, members of the military are indoctrinated to follow orders and respect their commanders. If you don't follow orders you are punished. It's a very controlled, structured environment.

So even in cases such as now, when many military members might disagree with the war, they will still overwhelmingly follow the orders they are given, even if they disagree with them. Those few that do refuse to follow orders are immediately removed from the front lines, reprimanded, and discharged.

It's pretty much do as you're told, or you are disgracefully eliminated.

On top of that, many in the military are constantly fed government propaganda, are highly patriotic by default, and believe their country can do no wrong.

At the same time, that's the way it needs to be - you can't have a military force with no discipline or that refuses orders.

Ron Paul is definitely reaching the military though, the numbers are like everything else right now, those that support Ron Paul find themselves severely outnumbered by the ignorant.

But, the good news is, that is changing.

Ron Paul's Convention Speech

RES 51 ???

I'm NOT sure about the proper term RES 51..THE" patriot act" OR a PRESIDENTIAL resolution or exective order NOW proclaims, a PRESIDENT may use the U.S.ARMY on AMERICAN SOIL ,for the first time ever allowed....THEREfore ,,Theoreticaly WE the PEOPLE would be policed by our own military which was always illegal..for obvious reasons ...MARTIAL LAW would ensue & be enforced by them..ALSO there apparently has been an agreement made with the CANADIAN MILITARY that lets them be called into the U.S.soil to help with MATIAL LAW...
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I tried to say the same thing a few days ago in a post

I notice too that it seems odd that there is no large revolt. Some protest but not very many. For those who are awake, I think they either don't have big enough numbers to revolt or are afraid of what will happen to them. Police brutality is a daily occurrence here. Nobody will admit to that though.

For those who aren't awake, they think there is no problem or they are slightly unhappy. They are also not informed because the media here is propaganda which makes everyone think that things aren't too bad. This is why most people who use the internet supported Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich during the presidential elections.

As for those in the military, they don't get to pick the laws or the wars. Their job is to enforce it. If they got to pick the laws they enforced we would have anarchy. (I read this on a military forum somewhere)
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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul

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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul

You know things are really bad because you're aware

The aware ones are ready and just waiting for the thing that gets everybody fired up. If you notice, nothing has really changed for most people. The worst part is, http://www.google.com/trends?q=bailout,+miley+cyrus&geo=usa&...
and
http://www.google.com/trends?q=wall+street+bailout%2C+paris+...

I just clicked on the links. All I have to say is this:

:'(
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Military Officers are Very Political

Just look at Colin Powell, Petraeus, John McCain, Eisenhower, etc.

It's been run like that nearly forever too -- even Patton was pissed about it. The military is almost a family business for certain people and they are rewarded for their loyalty to the administration. Basically, dealing with the military as a police force is worse than dealing with the normal police because they are trained to dehumanize and kill.

People want to believe that the military will come in on their side, but the reality is that they are just 'doing their job' and half or more of them legally drug themselves up before and after they do it. This isn't going to be pretty.

The Pentagon was hit on 9/11 and the Airforce was forced to stand down just like they were during the USS Liberty attack. The military is a big piece of the NWO. MacArthur before he became Admiral lead an attack on veterans of WW 1. They were camped out on the grass in front of DC because the government refused to pay them for their duty and the Great Depression was squeezing them for money.

When the Depression hits 'mercy' and 'reason' will fly out the window.

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They will

They have families here and they swore to protect the constituition against all enemies foriegn AND domestic. We don't want "the military" leading a revolt, we want the soldiers on the people's side. They won't let us down.

This sounds like a "planted comment"

Perhaps a little "bait" to see if there are any militants in the crowd?

~Your perception becomes your reality~

someone came up with this idea

google Mark Dice
his organization sends letters to soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan telling them the truth about 9/11 and illegal wars they include DVD's.

http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
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90 000 million guns

in the hands of decent law abiding citizens= "the largest army that has ever existed since the big bang".

TPB have to come out openly to wake up the mother of all sleeping bears.
They know it, and that is why they use propaganda, brain washing techniques and other persuasive methods. And from time to time they taser here and there without any reason, but for the sole purpose of testing the level of reaction and outrage. Nowadays shackles are not physical, but mental, psychological and dependent on a commodity they control called "THE DOLLAR".

The 2nd amendment is there, not for lunch hunting. This is the only country where citizens are armed, and some to the teeth.
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According to the a 1994

According to the a 1994 report, there were over 192 Million guns in private hands.....there are probably many more.

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Thanks for the correction

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who groups for power

WE also have STATE MALITIAS & PRIVATE MALITIAS & most normal non -bleeding hearts have weapons & a lot of EX VETERANS are in society..The big one would be the STATE MALITIAS..They would be controled by each states GOVERNOR to my knowlege.
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yeah about that,.......

the feds have seemingly intercepted those fields for there own troops, they are the army national guard!!! We have small militias, no where large by any means!

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The Army National Gaurd is

The Army National Gaurd is NOT the Militia. The militia is a defensive action, not associated directly with the governing body.

go to www.constitution.org to learn more.

mil dept.

THIS may be the fact but since the RES 51 I am not sure on the subject.
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Thank you for your kind words about Germany

But what is RES 51 I ?

Freedom brings People together

Ron Paul was right

grace on men from every country

I don't know exactly how it would work but there is a process for martial law that possibly could bypass the president...Yes the military are regular guys who do what they are told & have their own opinions like all of us ..
WE are the military personell draft base & none of us LOVE war..WE all know cenemies are people too...I had a GERMAN exchange student in my home & we got along very fine.. I love OLD GERMAN folklore & they are a very smart population ..AS you know many of our ancesters came from GERMANY years back & ther is a lot of GERMAN culture interwoven in the area I live ...SPELLING? GUTTEN TAUG.
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Lots 'N Lots of German Ancestry Here

They brought beer with 'em.

Hudepohl Beer - 1885 by founder Ludwig Hudepohl II. Hudepohl was the son of Bavarian immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudepohl_Brewing_Company

Burger Beer, almost certain is German

Schoenling Beer

That is just Cincinnati, the State of Ohio has more:

http://www.ohiobreweriana.com/

This page gives some history of some of these breweries:

http://www.ohiobreweriana.com/library/
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German-Americans put Zinzinnati to work in the 1800s, and helped build the region into a shining commerce center.

http://www.oktoberfestzinzinnati.com/okt.aspx?menu_id=256&id...
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your my new best buddy you

spell about as bad as I do hahaha

Several reasons ....

1. The joint chiefs are appointed by the President.
2. To date, they have not been asked to police the homeland.
3. Most of the military infrastructure is privately owned by the military/Industrial complex. They do not wish to bite the hand that feeds them.
4. Think Russia and ask the same question.

Having said all that ...

If we have a Tienamen square event here, all bets are off. They may rebel and join a local militia. Rank is hard to break here, but not impossible.

WAHOR!!
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They're supposed to defend the Constitution and obey

the orders of their superiors. However, those two duties can conflict.

I don't think anybody is looking around these parts for a Colonel von Stauffenberg quite yet.
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I have a brother in the Marines...

you would not believe how bad they are brainwashed by the government. They believe they are doing good and spreading democracy by policing the world. The higher up in command you are the more brainwashed you are. To gain some perspective, watch this Iraqi veteran on youtube, which has been viewed almost 10,000,000 times.

Maybe this link will give you an idea of the brainwashing that goes on with our government as well. Whole books are written on our foreign policy. War with Iran has been in the making for thirty years.

A lot of people

in the military are brainwashed and let's face it if you were in their position you would not want to admit that you are a tool for the military Industrial complex. You want to believe that you are doing something noble. When martial law comes we will likely have foreign troops and mercenaries paroling and brainwashed homeland gusstopo. Humans are the same everywhere and people are reacting to what the media feeds them, lies. Unless, people look else where for information we fighting an up hill battle.

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Your English is too bad to not be American

What are you trying to pull?

"You Americans"...heh, that was a dead giveaway.

Thank you...

That`s why I don`t write much in English, but I have a blog in german and a couple of videos on Youtube. You can see me on those (I organized and attended three Ron Paul rallies in Europe and I am the founder of the Munich Ron Paul Meetup with over 80 members). I`m really a foreigner and I do not try to pull anything. It is really that I did not know many Americans before the RPR and I tend to be overly optimistic because I tend to think that Americans should be like Paulites and that they WILL resist those evils happening and prevail.
I was just asking because I thought that it would be great to motivate your troops to do something good.
I sometimes adress people here with "you americans" because out of methodological individualism, I visualize a crowd and talk to them personally. I always do that. By that, I also make clear that I am not an american (so people don`t think I`m retarded because of my bad english).
It is neither meant to be offensive or collectivist. I have great respect of the Americans I met here and I am here, because I hope in "you Americans" more than in my fellow Germans. Unfortunately, we do not have any Ron Paul around.

This is my video from last years Oktoberfest. It has started a weak ago this year, but I haven`t been there, because I`m so worried for the USA and the world, so I keep following the news on what happens in your country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n__ijhm85z4

Anyway, I understand you are skeptic.

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anything is possible, But it

anything is possible,

But it would have to come from the top down.

There are plenty of liberty loving general officers out there. If something did happen you would see martial law and gradually a standing down of the military as it refuses to continue the behavior once it realizes the designs of the government.

The most dangerous part of this is the "Not With My Kid" parents who refuse to allow their children to learn, let alone serve in the military. It is creating a warrior class, where nowadays more and more soldiers are from military families, they were born on post, grew up on post and then serve and retire on post.

in say 50 years if this trend continues it will be just a matter of time before a disaster strikes and the military takes control first out of necessity, and then out of the greed of a few whom have known no other life than the military and who can see how much more efficient military life is.

To quote from the Declaration of Independence.

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed"

The vast majority of the public is still several hard years away from being open to a revolt.

Part of the reason we keep so many troops out of the U.S........

....is to prevent a military coup. It is my personal opinion that a coup was attempted several years ago when Pres. Reagan was shot, but it was not full scale and failed. Our government supposedly polls the troops every year to see if they will fire on U.S. citizens, and only 25% say they will do so. Most Americans don't think anything is wrong right now, they tend to believe whatever someone is paid to tell them. If someone is wearing a suit and makes a lot of money, well, they are only able to speak the truth, right? At least that is what the "educated" middle class thinks.

Of course it would be

Of course it would be possible to revolt. There have been isolated reports of soldiers refusing to go to Iraq because they were philosophically against it, but soldiers serve the US and answer to the president. I imagine if they brought the troops back to suppress violence in America, there would be far more soldiers putting down their arms.

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