Baldwin... lesser of three evils?!
Submitted by qizo on Sat, 09/27/2008 - 14:00Please, please help me understand Ron Paul's backing of Chuck Baldwin!
I just went to Baldwin's website and looked at his views on things... as with everyone, there are things I like, but one that I do NOT like... and it is something that RP himself has stated that he is against!
Is Dr. Paul himself making a choice for the lesser of three evils? If so, what happened to "not settling" for the lesser of evils ideal?!
Of course, in preparation of this post, I again visited the Baldwin website and found that the one issue I have a HUGE problem with, has been removed from the "Issues" section.
Marriage as being defined as between ONE man and ONE woman and that being defined by the federal government! It's been removed from his website! Has he now changed his view on the issue? Or has he just removed it from his website?
The federal government should have NO PLACE in defining this. Leave that to the states... if any. I personally don't feel it is a decision that should be legislated by any level of government! It is not that I am gay... I am heterosexual, but I am a polygamist. It is my religious belief! I don't expect many to agree with me, I just want to make certain that my religious belief is decriminalized. And, in the same light, I don't want anyone elses preference or choice to be restricted by government intervention. My thoughts and beliefs are my own and do not belong to anyone else... especially not the government!
Does anyone have an "inside scoop" on Chuck Baldwin's views on this? I am hoping that some webmaster lacky created an "incorrect" statement on his website and that they have now removed it as false or inaccurate rather than trying to push it under the rug/radar.
Thanks.
Colin
This is one of those stupid
This is one of those stupid posts designed to divide us. A president does not decide these issues for the country. They are state and local issues. We don't live under a dictatorship.... yet. Ron Paul believes, and so do I, that Chuck Baldwin will faithfully uphold the Constitution and right now that is issue #1. Try to stay focused, turn off your damn TV, and quit trying to side track everyone!!!!
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Huh?! What the...?
This post is not stupid to me...
This comment is one from a stupid person that doesn't read the post and assumes he knows why the person wrote it.
Get a grip fool. It was an honest attempt to make sense out of something I was trying to understand! And MANY people saw it for what it was... and honest question put forth with the intent of helping me decide if Chuck Baldwin was a person I could trust and support!
If you think I am just going to run out and support someone simply because Ron Paul decided to, then I think maybe you are a little slow intellectually.
While I support Ron Paul in just about everything he says (if not everything absolutely), still I need to be a thinking person and not follow blindly! I need to research and do my own footwork to make sure that Chuck is my man!
Sheesh... I've probably been around in this work longer than you! I'm not intending to divide anybody!
Okay I'm going to refer you to
the unbiased, factual Ron Paul-O-Meter who rated Chuck Baldwin 88 out of a possible 99 points as having the closest views on the *important* issues to Ron Paul's.
http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/07/15/the-ron-paul-paul-o-m...
May I also remind you that voting third party is a protest against the 2-party system. Ron Paul does not expect Baldwin or Nader to win, IT IS A PROTEST VOTE against the 2-party McCain/Obama monopoly.
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Heh, cool. I'd never seen that before. Thanks for posting it.
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Marriage, as originally
Marriage, is a religious institution. Leave it to that! The gov. has no business defining it! Like everything else sacred, it has been hijacked by evil, including the government.
Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor
In addition........if the
In addition........if the IRS code had no distinction between M v. S ?? That would eliminate much of the movement by those wanting 'recognition' outside of traditional and sacred definition. Better yet, if the IRS didn't exist! Now, THAT'S something worth fighting for!
Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
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Hi Colin
I just figured out who you are. We're on some of the same Mormon lists, I believe.
Thank you for posting this topic. I told Chuck it was the ONE thing that I had a problem with both in his website and the CP platform, which was hijacked by Protestant fundamentalists a few years ago.
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Yep It's me...
Great to see you still on here and involved!
Too bad Alaska is so far away! If you guys are ever down in Southern California... please be sure to look us up! We would love to have you come stay for a bit.
Chuck Baldwin expresses a
Chuck Baldwin expresses a pro-Liberty, pro-Constitution viewpoint from a Christian perspective, as does Ron Paul. Because they are Christians! To deny that would be to deny who they are individually, spiritually, and philosophically.
http://constitutionalliberty.blogspot.com/
Marriage no longer on his site?
Very interesting!
I emailed Chuck Baldwin about 10 days ago and asked him about his stand on marriage.
It's no secret around here, I'm a Mormon, and I am sympathetic to those whose idea of marriage is not confined to ONE man and ONE woman. Many of my friends are practicing polygamists. They all backed Ron Paul because Ron Paul specifically believed that marriage was a personal matter, not a state matter.
So I asked Chuck about this. I didn't get a response. But if he has removed this issue from his site, I wonder if that is his response to my email message.
Very interesting!
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Makes sense now.
Here I am with no wife and you have how many??? hahaha.
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Contrary to what most
Contrary to what most Americans think, the most important issues today are not abortion, gay marriage, or whether either are ethical or moral.
Why does it always come back to this and WHO CARES???
LOOK AROUND people, this empire is falling and quickly becoming the New World Order.
If you want to vote for someone who will take on important issues such as NAU, National ID, Fed, IRS..etc, then vote for Chuck Baldwin.
Turn your time machine back to April
And replay the images of the armed raid on a Texas ranch....
Yes, the marriage issue *is* important, because it was the notion that marriage is a government matter that led the State of Texas to roll into a church-owned ranch in Texas and scoop up four hundred children, for the sole crime that *some* of their parents are polygamists.
We need to get the state out of the marriage business, and allow people to peaceably live their lives how they choose.
It is of no concern to me whether someone has three wives, three husbands, or three of each.
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These are all important
These are all important issues, they are all relevant to Liberty. If we are going to let someone have less freedom because of his or her personal beliefs, what makes us any better?
How can he be evil?
He's a preacher.
I would not put Chuck Baldwin in the same EVIL category
as Huckabee "Floating Cross" Huckster -- who just might be Satan himself or at least one of his henchmen from the Who Would Jesus Bomb and Angels Guide My Bullets school of insanity thought.
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Preachers can be evil
Preachers are delusional by definition (a delusion is an idiosyncratic belief that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument), and their occupation is to try to persuade others to accept these delusions as truth. If that's not evil, what is?
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Well, to be evil
he would have to be a disbeliever, promoting what he actually thinks is falsehood. If actually believes what he's preaching, he's not evil.
My post was a just a joke by the way.
It's kind of like a neocon who truly believes we are morally obligated to spread democracy around the world. He wouldn't be evil. He's evil only if he doesn't really believe that, but it just saying it in order to manipulate.
It's sad that in this day,
It's sad that in this day, there are people who are so afraid of people that choose an alternate lifestyle. This talk of the legality of same sex marriage is just another form of racism in our country and needs to end. Trying to hide it from children in a hope that that they wont be demoralized by the sight of it is ridiculous. Their is no way to save your children from the chance they might be gay, you will just have confused and insecure children, who will live in a state of repression, because they feel they wont be accepted. I truly hope Chuck Baldwin's and the CP's stance on this is merely a personal opinion, because this is not liberty but bigotry. We need to stop categorizing people into groups, We are all Americans.
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Ron Paul has said many times these decisions should be left to
the church you belong to, not any type of government. This is probably why Chuck removed it from his site. www.baldwin08.com
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I emailed a letter to Chuck a few days ago asking his stand
And expressing my concern that his apparent stand would make many of my friends criminals. I told him that I thought, as does Ron Paul, that religious freedom certainly ought to allow someone so inclined to marry in some configuration other than one man and one woman.
I also mentioned to him that the votes of tens of thousands of Mormon polygamists were up for grabs since Ron Paul dropped out.
He may have gotten my message and decided it was not anything he wanted to press.
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Baldwin..
Well if you feel he is the lesser of all the evils just know this. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Chuck Baldwin is putting Constitution Freedoms first and for most. He is the most in line with the Constitution candidate..
If the Constitution of this once great republic is lost, you can kiss even being able to discuss the practice polygamy much less continue it goodbye.
Take your pick.. Socalism, Facism, or a Democratic Republic.
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Wow
One issue person....Let the country fall for that one issue.
Maybe I should hold out until I find a candidate that will remove the constrictive seat belt law!
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I'm gonna fight for fags' rights? F**king joke!
It's not just "fags' rights"
It's the rights of those 400+ children in Texas who were kidnapped by the state because their parents belonged to a religion that practices polygamy.
It's the rights of persons to choose their own destiny and their own partners with whom they will pursue that destiny. It's not just "fags", it's you, and me, and everyone else's rights.
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Yeah you're
Useless. Please self delete.
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I'm sorry I forgot most of your post
I'm just trying to figure out why any man would want more than one of those and once you get more than one how do you keep from losing your mind. I mean I can understand how it could be fun for like 1:45 but after that it sounds like a nightmare.